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Tiki-KGB03nkoth r54094 10branches/14.x/lib/core/TikiAddons/Utilities.php
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Tiki-KGB03chibaguy r54096 10branches/ 10(50 files in 50 dirs)
[FIX] Regression: no style set for button highlight state (like on search page to indicate selected area).
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03chibaguy r54097 10branches/ 1014.x/themes/feb12/less/bootstrap-variables.less 1014.x/themes/feb12/css/feb12.css 1014.x/themes/feb12/less/tiki-selectors.less
[FIX] navbar needs background color as well as image; make default navbar-inverse dark-on-light but opposite for navbar-fixed-top.
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Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r54098 10branches/14.x/tiki-removepage.php * [FIX] wiki: Give the option to cancel removing a page
03jonnybradley r54099 10(56 files in 55 dirs) * [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/14.x 54090 to 54098
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03chibaguy r54100 10branches/ 1014.x/themes/greenvalley/css/greenvalley.css 1014.x/themes/greenvalley/less/tiki-selectors.less
[FIX] Page content (container) background image wasn't displaying with all layout templates.
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jonnybpolom
]/me is glad to see chibaguy busy in 14.x :)
ha
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chibaguy:-)
hi jonnyb
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jonnybstill no sf mailing list emails for anyone i guess? [13:01]
chibaguyquite a few little glitches in the theme files.
no, I sent a test several hours ago.
What do you think about the talk about moving away from Sourceforge?
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jonnybJyhem said yesterday we can get them via their irc room here, i think - you about? [13:02]
chibaguyor about that idea? [13:02]
jonnyb(hmmm, 1pm in France, unlikley)
undecided, but they do seem to be being extreemly unreliable these days
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chibaguydo you use git much? [13:04]
jonnybsome these days, phpstorm makes it fairly easy bit it still goes all mysterious from time to time
it's really fast (doing merges and branch compares etc)
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chibaguyyes, I need to read the git for dummies, still.
The hosting company I use mostly (a2hosting) supports git as well as svn - I checked recently.
Seems all slick and modern but I need to study it a bit. I've used it, following steps carefully, but don't feel very comfortable yet.
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jonnybgoing to raise a ticket on https://sourceforge.net/support (no response from irc channel so far) [13:10]
Jyhempolom [13:10]
Tiki-KGB03chibaguy r54101 10branches/ 1014.x/themes/ohia/css/ohia.css 1014.x/themes/ohia/less/tiki-selectors.less 1014.x/themes/ohia/less/ohia.less
[FIX] Background images weren't loading due to image path conflict (reordering files in ohia.less fixed it).
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Jyhemdid you get my test email on devel list ? [13:10]
jonnybno, all sf lists still down :(
i'm in the #sourceforge channel but no response to my query yet
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JyhemI did it tonight: Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:16 AM [13:11]
jonnybdid what? the test mail? [13:11]
JyhemI was on the irc channel with the guy, he asked if I had tried myself. I did and… it seemed to work
yes, topic: Test 01
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jonnybno sign of it here
last i got was "Tue, 24 Feb 2015 03:06:21 +0000" from Lindon "Re: [Tiki-devel] Unused Vendors"
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Jyhemoh :-( did some filtering move it from my "sent" folder to the "tiki-dev" folder ?
Jyhem feels silly
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jonnyb:P
Seem's sf's business hours are 16:00 to 00:00 UTC
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Jyhemyes, it was 1 am and he said everybody else was gone already
[25/02/2015 01:14] <Jyhem> specifically, tikiwiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net and tikiwiki-cvs@lists.sourceforge.net have not had any mails since about (checking)
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chibaguyAre you getting the tikiwiki code mail (or are you subscribed)? That's working, but not the others. "Sent from sourceforge.net because you indicated interest in https://sourceforge.net/p/tikiwiki/code/" [13:15]
Jyhem[25/02/2015 01:15] <zeromus> jyhem have you tried sending a mail to it yourself?
[25/02/2015 01:15] <Jyhem> about Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:05 AM Central european time
[25/02/2015 01:15] <JBarrett1> Jyhem, I'll give it a once over and see what I can find
[25/02/2015 01:16] <Jyhem> Hmm, I seem to have got through now
[25/02/2015 01:18] <Jyhem> It seems to work again, sorry. When we wanted to report it, it was outside opening hours
[25/02/2015 01:18] <Jyhem> and now I did not verify before I mentioned it
[25/02/2015 01:18] <JBarrett1> Jyhem, no worries, at 1st glance I didn't see anything out of the ordinary
[25/02/2015 01:19] <Jyhem> But I'm still pretty sure a bunch of commits never made it to tikiwiki-cvs@lists.sourceforge.net
[25/02/2015 01:19] <Jyhem> earlier
[25/02/2015 01:19] <zeromus> always a possibility if the systems were glitching
[25/02/2015 01:19] <zeromus> you could revert and re-do them!
[25/02/2015 01:19] <Jyhem> I just mention it so you know if it happens again
[25/02/2015 01:20] <zeromus> ok yeah the data suggests emails are lost and not just backlogged
[25/02/2015 01:20] <JBarrett1> Jyhem, I think thats fair, I'll keep an eye for it
[25/02/2015 01:21] <Jyhem> thanks, good night
[25/02/2015 01:21] <JBarrett1> Right now I think pretty much everyone has left for the day. I can ask about it tomorrow
[25/02/2015 01:21] <JBarrett1> np you too
That's for reference for the next one who contacts them.
Jyhem needs to buy food now, then eat it :-)
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jonnybi was getting 2 mails for each commit, one useless new html format one with no code in, and the old cvs list ones until i unsubscribed from the new notifications one on sf.net
thanks Jyhem - bot apetit :)
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chibaguyyeah, the one that's working now is fairly useless. [13:17]
Jyhemsorry for messing the fixing attempt :-( [13:17]
jonnybno worries, 1am's not usually the best time for this sort of thing ;)
i'm raising a support ticket...
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Tiki-KGB03chibaguy r54102 10branches/ 1014.x/themes/strasa/css/strasa.css 1014.x/themes/strasa/less/strasa.less
[FIX] Background images weren't loading due to image path conflict (reordering files in strasa.less fixed it).
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jonnybchibaguy: i've been getting 404's on a couple of images for the past few weeks, looks like it's in themes/base_files/less/tiki-color_selectors.less:188 and 191 [13:39]
chibaguyOh, ok. I'll check. [13:39]
jonnybseems the use @{imagePathToImgDir} but should be the normal /img dir (not the theme one) [13:39]
chibaguyoh [13:39]
jonnybmy LESS compiling still deletes huge chunks of the css :( [13:40]
chibaguyweird [13:40]
jonnybin the less file watcher thing, what do you set your Working Directory to? [13:41]
chibaguyI'll check
$FileDir$
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jonnybhmm, wouldn't that be the /less dir?
i was trying $FileParentDir$/css
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chibaguyThat looks similar to my output directory: ../css/$FileNameWithoutExtension$.css
Does "working directory" mean the directory that the less files are in, that are being compiled?
I don't know now why I have that setting especially. Maybe saw it in a doc somewhere.
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jonnybaha, that's what i got wrong [13:48]
chibaguyOh, I hope that's it. [13:49]
jonnybis that "Output paths to refresh"? [13:51]
chibaguyyes [13:52]
jonnybok, trying that
hmm, still getting lots of css deleted in the tiki themes
have to get on to client stuff (also lunch) but would like to get this worked out with you sometime... soon :)
apart from that '@{imagePath}../overlay-light.png' seems to work for the ajax images
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chibaguyYes, I saw in the theme css it was one level off. [13:57]
Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r54103 10(8 files in 7 dirs) * [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/14.x 54098 to 54102 [13:58]
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03chibaguy r54104 03branches/14.x/img/icons/dots.gif * [NEW] This image file seems to still be used. [14:22]
jonnybchibaguy: NEW? ;0 [14:23]
chibaguyWell, returned.
I think it was removed in a cleanup of images several weeks ago.
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jonnybis that fixing a deleted icon? i saw lots of them seemed to be somewhat randomly deleted, so i think returning them would be a FIX [14:24]
chibaguyah, right. [14:24]
jonnybNEW is not allowed in 14.x currently, of course [14:24]
chibaguyOh, ok. It was a bad description. [14:25]
jonnybjonnyb is watching :) [14:25]
chibaguychibaguy thinks, wow, really ;-) [14:25]
jonnybfrom changelog.txt: "[NEW] for additions of new features"
8)
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chibaguyDo you think I should roll it back and recommit with "Fix"? [14:27]
jonnybno, don't worry
we're still in the "slush" phase of the freeze :)
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chibaguychibaguy breathes a sigh of relief [14:32]
jonnybit's worse when it's the other way round - NEW and ENH stuff masquarading as FIX'es [14:33]
chibaguyah, right. [14:34]
Tiki-KGB03chibaguy r54105 10branches/ 10(34 files in 34 dirs) * [FIX] Corrected image path. Thanks to Jonny for spotting.
03gezzzan r54106 10branches/ 1014.x/templates/admin/include_fgal.tpl 1014.x/templates/fgal_listing_conf.tpl * [FIX] file gallery listing settings looked broken
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jonnybchibaguy: r54105 doesn't seem to work for me, i'm getting probelms with imagePathToImgDir not being defined (it's commented out, but still used) [14:42]
gezzahi [14:42]
jonnybhi gezza [14:42]
chibaguyhi gezza
yeah, something's not right yet
just noticed
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gezzachibaguy: tiki_base.css has a rule for .tiki .dropdown-menu li:last-of-type, .menuSection ul li:last-of-type that makes a -5px margin. This chops off the bottom for "I forgot my password" in the login module [14:43]
jonnybi've had to disable my less file watcher, it jist goes mad when i svn up and creates conflicts with incoming css changes :( [14:44]
gezzaat least I think this is what causes this [14:44]
jonnybsounds about right gezza [14:44]
gezzawhat to do with it? :) just remove from less? or is it needed somewhere? [14:45]
chibaguygezza, yes, probably so. I added that rule because previously there was a 5px space above the first list item and below the last. No problem when the background colors are the same, but looks bad when the ul and li have different background colors.
So I'd say the scope of the rule maybe needs to be made more specific.
I mean yes, probably so that is what causes the problem.
jonnyb, I know what you mean. When I'm editing a less file, it's hard because the compiling keeps causing delays in the editor.
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gezzachibaguy, so I should not remove the rule, ok, but what do you mean by making the scope more specific? [14:51]
jonnybchibaguy: i guess it's when lots of less changes arrive in svn up, and lessc kicks in and changes css files before the updated files come in from svn [14:52]
chibaguygezza, well I just checked and I think a solution would be to add the class "dropdown-menu" to the li class="list-unstyled" that contains "I forgot my password".
that class adds 5px padding top and bottom to the ul.
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jonnyband also when editing it keeps compiling when it shouldn't - i want to run it on demand [14:53]
chibaguyRight, jonnyb. Same behavior here.
There is a checkbox for that, but I don't recall what happened when I switched it the other way.
Especially when the editing affects all the themes' stylesheets, it's a battle between me and "10 processes running".
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jonnybaha, "immediate file sync" will try it unchecked [14:55]
gezzaadding "dropdown-menu" class also adds "display: none"
so it disappears
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chibaguyoh, that's not so good. [14:58]
gezza:) [14:58]
jonnyboh right, chibaguy i got this far before once, it seems my less doesn't like what's in tiki-selectors.less (in jqui for instance) and i have a warning displayed on the #gradient bits
the syntax highlighter thing seems to prefer @gradient but it still doesn't work
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chibaguyI'll check about where that gradient syntax came from. [15:03]
jonnybhave tried various (guesswork) variations and none of them work for me
but am a bit stuck due to: NameError: variable @imagePathToImgDir is undefined in ..../themes/base_files/less/tiki-color_selectors.less on line 189, column 31:
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chibaguyIt's apparently a Bootstrap mixin - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13040765/how-to-call-bootstraps-less-gradient-mixins
Yes, I uncommented the @imagePathToImgDir to avoid that error, just now.
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jonnybdoesn't it need changing to be just imagePath? [15:06]
chibaguyYes, actually. So all instances of it need to be changed.
Hmm, I think.
Well, I'll investigate the details.
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jonnybalso, imagePath has the traling slash, so '@{imagePath}/icons ends up with a double slash in it
i can change them but can't do the css still
now i get: NameError: variable @gray-light is undefined (maybe should be @gray-lighter?)
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chibaguyRrr, every time I do a search, the results get covered up by the compile results window and I lose the info. [15:10]
jonnybnope, @gray-lighter not defined either (i'm lost) [15:11]
chibaguyWell, I get those NameErrors a lot, when actually it is defined, but in another file.
I don't get it, because normally almost every variable is defined in another file.
Some get complained about.
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jonnyba debugger would be nice :) [15:12]
chibaguyOf course once in a while one isn't defined, but it's kind of a boy-crying-wolf thing.
I don't know if my setup is wrong in some way, or what.
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jonnybit looks to me like less is intelligent to work out that a file is included in another one and to know what's defined before it... i think [15:14]
chibaguyYes, generally that's the case for sure.
And smart because I understand even if the files aren't in the "right" order, it can find the definitions.
I mean the definition doesn't have to precede the variable use.
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Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r54107 10branches/14.x/themes/base_files/less/tiki-color_selectors.less
[FIX] less: Use current imagePath var for ajax loading images, and remove extra slash in icons paths (not compiled due to other issues, thanks chibaguy)
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jonnybdoes r54107 make sense to you? makes those path errors go away here [15:18]
Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r54108 10branches/14.x/themes/base_files/less/tiki-color_selectors.less
[FIX] less: Image in img/icons dir (not compiled due to other issues, thanks chibaguy)
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chibaguyYes, actually I was working on making the same kind of change here. I guess it's not a problem that there's double slashes in the path. [15:24]
jonnybi tihnk route.php can choke on them, but maybe it doesn't affect image files [15:25]
chibaguyactually they seem to get changed to one slash, maybe in the compiling.
Oh, my mistake. There's no double slash - I was looking at my file rather than the new one.
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jonnybi'm not entirely convinced themes/jqui/less/tiki-selectors.less is actually getting used in jqui.css [15:34]
chibaguy:-) [15:34]
jonnybyes it is, if i rename it i get an error on jqui.lss compile
but even commenting out the gradient stuff make it fail (and it's css gets removed fomr jqui.css
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Tiki-KGB03chibaguy r54109 10branches/ 10(32 files in 32 dirs) * [FIX] CSS files compiled based on corrected image path by Jonny. [15:36]
chibaguyWell, the CSS file (and DOM inspector) show the gradient in the panel headings and so on. [15:36]
jonnybyes, the one in svn has those definitions fine, but hen i compile it here (for any "tiki" theme) that chunk of css gets removed [15:37]
chibaguyYes, me too, now. [15:39]
jonnyb:O [15:40]
chibaguyI mean I get the NameError and the process finishes with exit code 2, which is failure I guess. [15:40]
jonnybit's always been like that for me here - odd [15:40]
chibaguyWell, cleary somehow I've managed to get it to compile, but I can't say that it's been a scientific process. [15:41]
jonnybmaybe it was on an older version of bootstrap? [15:41]
chibaguyIf you add @import "../../../vendor/twitter/bootstrap/less/mixins.less";
at the top of jqui's tiki-selectors.less, it will compile, or does here anyway.
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jonnybdoing similar, but with the whole of bootstrap.less in tiki-selectors.lss [15:44]
chibaguyOk. But bootstrap.less, which is included by jqui.less, does have "@import "mixins.less";
" but it seems this isn't being recognized when jqui/less/tiki-selectors.less is edited.
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jonnybif i rename mixins/gradients.less i get an error on jqui.less, so it is being included
but not in tiki-selectors i guess
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jonnybhi nelsonko [15:47]
nelsonkohi jonnyb
hope my branching on Monday wasn't too premature
(and looks like source forge lists went down shortly after?)
Thanks for filing the ticket with them
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jonnybyes, unfortunate sf failed, seems to have happened to quite a few projects
i'm hanging out in #sourceforge irc to see if i can hassle an sf person when they wake up :)
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Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r54110 10branches/14.x/themes/greenvalley/less/bootstrap-variables.less * [FIX] less: Small typo in green valley less file [15:56]
jonnybreally looks to me like this should work: .btn-default {#gradient > .vertical(#eee, #f2f2f2);} (but still doesn't) [15:59]
Tiki-KGB03chibaguy r54111 10branches/14.x/themes/greenvalley/css/greenvalley.css
[FIX] Compiled following [r54110] - jonnybradley: [FIX] less: Small typo in green valley less file
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chibaguyDo you mean with no special imports, or when the import (of mixins.less) is added? [16:04]
jonnybthis is getting jqui.less to recompile
no special extra imports (as if i rename gradients.less i get a file not found error, so it is being imported ok)
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chibaguyhmm [16:08]
jonnybhmm, if i add the gradient things to jqui.less they seem to work ok (but move to the end of the css file
could be a clue
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chibaguyOk. [16:10]
jonnybalthough i still get a warning in the editor about the namespace not being found
so if i replace the include line in jqui.less with what's in that file it seems to work (i.e. jqui.css reamins unchanged after recompiling)
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chibaguyI see. Well, time to sleep here. See you tomorrow. [16:20]
jonnybok, thanks chibaguy [16:20]
chibaguyOh sure. [16:21]
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Tiki-KGB03gezzzan r54112 10branches/14.x/templates/tiki-upload_file.tpl * [FIX] button size should be the same as elsewhere
03gezzzan r54113 10branches/14.x/templates/edit_file_gallery.tpl * [FIX] finishing bootstrap changes, still some to do left
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Tiki-KGB03gezzzan r54114 10branches/ 1014.x/templates/edit_file_gallery.tpl 1014.x/templates/tiki-list_file_gallery.tpl * [FIX] few more visual fixes [19:36]
03gezzzan r54115 10branches/14.x/templates/tiki-lastchanges.tpl * [FIX] icon set for history [19:44]
03gezzzan r54116 10branches/14.x/templates/tiki-admin_rssmodules.tpl * [FIX] icon set [19:56]
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Hello
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jonnybhi wolfganga [20:14]
wolfganga:-) [20:15]
jonnybwolfganga: so you saw 14.x branched the other day? (sf mailing lists are down)
so all FIX commits should go in there
i updated https://dev.tiki.org/Where+to+commit (hope it makes sense)
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wolfganganot really - i would have asked for that later on.
so - i have spent a lot of work on dynamic item list. If i would like you to see / test / review - i can stil use trunk?
and the because its a fix - put it into the v14 branch?
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jonnybhmmm, do you think it's a safe fix? did you have any tests where it was working, becasue people are using it already
hopefully stuff in 14.x will get more eyeballs and testing, so it almost certainly should go in there i think
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wolfgangai carefully test stuff beforehand, but the tracker thing - especially the dynamic-list-field is sometimes "uneasy". So i would like you guys to have a look at it upfront ;-)
So would that still be trunk?
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jonnybi think it sounds like a real fix we should have in 14.0 so i guess 14.x would be best [20:26]
wolfgangaok [20:26]
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Hi, I need some help =:0)
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jonnybhi XGuarden - same as yesterday? ;) [20:49]
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XGuardennot exacly
I discover diplicate page with different name on my wiki
I want to destroy the duplicate one
But many (( )) link send to this bad page. How can I automaticly make them redirect to the right page?
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IM not clear? [21:09]
jonnybyou could add a redirect plugin to the bad page (a bit hacky) or delete that page and add an alias to the correct one (just guessing though) [21:10]
Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: automatically use user specific values between trackers | item-link / dynamic-item-link / ... ? - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=55004 [21:19]
jonnybok, off now, more tomorrow... [21:20]
Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: Fwd: [r54095] - nkoth: Workaround annoying Deprecated errors showing from Zend lib - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=55008 [21:30]
XGuardenhum
maybe I can:
Rename the good, page, that will automaticky rename all good link. Rename bad page for the name of the good one, and then delete it. That will let the link there and everything willl be fine when I will give back the god name to the good page?????
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Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: Regarding delete() vs deleteMultiple() in TikIDb_Table - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=55009 [21:40]
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