WhoWhatWhen jonnybhmmm, afraid i've broken the js detect code on a new install, sorry but i'm going to have to fix it (and release another beta) :( [00:02] .... (idle for 19mn)Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: Tiki 14.0 beta (not quite ready) - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=55328 [00:21] ....... (idle for 31mn)Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r54715 10branches/14.x/lib/setup/javascript.php
[FIX] javascript: Hopefully a fix for js detect following my breaking it in r54597 - will review and test again before 14.0 beta (but committing "early" in case anyone else can test - thanks) [00:52] ............. (idle for 1h0mn)Gwaynejoined #tikiwiki
joined #tikiwiki [01:52] .... (idle for 17mn)joined #tikiwiki [02:09] .......... (idle for 47mn)chibaguyjoined #tikiwiki [02:56] ..... (idle for 20mn)Heh, there's a "Dummy preference" in tiki-admin.php?page=features: "Dummy preference
This is the shorthint.

This is the detail.
This is the hint." I guess a placeholder/model that should have been removed.
(in branch 14)
At first I wondered, "Preference for dummies? Preference about dummies?" :-)
Had to install Tiki branches again locally so a good chance to check things. [03:16] Oh, finding regressions in L&F: The full list of theme options is always available, for all themes. (Checking with Firefox on localhost.)
The custom theme URL is always displaying (didn't it used to be hidden unless the custom-url option is chosen?).
(I mean the custom theme URL field.)
Dropdowns (like the quickadmin ellipsis) aren't working here. [03:25] fabriciusjoined #tikiwiki [03:33] chibaguyr54745 - I cleared cookies. [03:36] ...... (idle for 27mn)I guess these are all connected to jonny's dev list mail. [04:03] ....... (idle for 31mn)Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: Tiki 14.0 beta (not quite ready) - http://suite.tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=55328
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New Forum Posts: Upload File Issues - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=55324 [06:06] ........................ (idle for 1h58mn)fabriciusjoined #tikiwiki [08:04] gezzajoined #tikiwiki [08:13] .... (idle for 18mn)Telesightjoined #tikiwiki [08:31] ..... (idle for 24mn)fabriciusjoined #tikiwiki [08:55] ....... (idle for 31mn)Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: Tiki 14.0 beta (not quite ready) - http://suite.tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=55328
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[FIX]Exclude param was not working. There is some warning still, but at least it works as expected for the end user, and param exclude is taken into account and its contents excluded from the list of results shown. Feel free to improve anyone with higer skills than me.
03xavidp r54717 10branches/13.x/ 10lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_titlesearch.php 10lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_backlinks.php
[bp/r54716][FIX]Exclude param was not working. There is some warning still, but at least it works as expected for the end user, and param exclude is taken into account and its contents excluded from the list of results shown. Feel free to improve anyone with higer skills than me.
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[bp/r54716][FIX]Exclude param was not working. There is some warning still, but at least it works as expected for the end user, and param exclude is taken into account and its contents excluded from the list of results shown. Feel free to improve anyone with higer skills than me. [09:48] 03xavidp r54719 10branches/ 10(10 files)
[FIX]UI: upgrade wizard icon should have the arrow pointing upwards, to be more intuitive. Thanks gezza [10:00] chibaguyjoined #tikiwiki [10:07] .......... (idle for 45mn)redflojoined #tikiwiki [10:52] chibaguypolom [10:57] gezzahi chibaguy
i was wondering if css rules regarding breadcrumb should be in tiki_base.css or on a per theme basis
i kindof like bootstraps default
no italics, full length [11:01] chibaguyI like flexibility, too, so per theme would be good. I used italic because of the Tiki legacy style, and didn't like the block style when the breadcrumb is short, but that's just my personal opinion. [11:04] Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: Quick admin module out of the elipsis-three_dots (or optional at least)? - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=55330 [11:06] chibaguyI like the method of making a variable for styles like that, so it's easier to change than looking through all the css.
So I'll do that with the breadcrumbs. [11:06] gezzamake variables? ok I'll check your commit and see what you mean :) [11:07] jonnybjoined #tikiwiki [11:12] chibaguyOk. What I mean by that is to follow the Bootstrap pattern (or Less pattern) of putting a variable name in a CSS rule and then defining that variable in a separate file.
But I also intend to write up some doc pages about this kind of thing. [11:13] gezzaok
thanks [11:20] jonnybpolom
chibaguy: i see form the irc log you were having js troubles, not just that old opera browser after all i guess - did http://sourceforge.net/p/tikiwiki/code/54715 fix it for you? [11:21] gezzahi jonnyb [11:22] jonnybhi gezza [11:22] gezzai still have issues in FF, updated to latest Tiki14 rev, cleared cahce (tiki and browser) [11:22] jonnybwhich cookies do you have? [11:22] gezzaI have 4: javascript_enabled =y tiki_cookies_accepted = y PHPSESSID PHPSESSIDCV [11:24] jonnybok, but still no javascript?
odd, cos javascript_enabled=y is all you need [11:25] gezzano, I dont see any after the body [11:25] jonnybthat's what was missing form the beta i tested last night, and hoipefully fixed in that commit
sorry, you don't see any what after the body? [11:25] chibaguyHi jonnyb [11:26] jonnybjs file includes?
hi chibaguy [11:26] chibaguyI also still have problems in Firefox.
(but I need to clear the cookie again maybe)
yay, cookie gone, js back. [11:26] gezzayes, I meant the js includes (<script>) [11:28] jonnybhmm, weird
let me do a new fresh install... [11:29] chibaguyyay, in Opera 12 too. :-) [11:29] gezzai switched off minify js but it did not help, probably no relation [11:31] chibaguyoops, I don't know what happened, but I clicked an external link by mistake (one of the doc.t.o. links on the branch14 default home page) and then tried the dropdowns again and now they don't work. [11:32] jonnybby the way, i'm getting WSoD on https://doc.tiki.org - anyone else? [11:33] gezzafor me it opens [11:33] chibaguyFor my localhost branch 14, each page when it loads needs to have the cookie removed. dropdowns then work until I go to another page.
doc.t.o is WSOD for me too. [11:34] jonnybok, sounds like my fix last night was bad - was late [11:35] hmm, that's changed (and is a bit wrong) - doing a fresh install when i leave the installer i get a page saying "Your account has been validated. You have to choose a password to use this account." and the change password form, not the right message :(
ah, found it - stupid mistake, sorry [11:40] ok, heres another fix for js detect [11:49] Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r54720 10branches/14.x/lib/setup/javascript.php
[FIX] javascript: Another fix for js detect - thanks gezza and chibaguy for the feedback (and apologies) [11:50] jonnybi think the whole logic of that section needs rethinking, but it's beyond me now, something for 15 if this is near enough [11:50] chibaguySuccess this time, jonnyb, thanks. [11:51] jonnybby the way, bootstrap seems to be decidedly non-noscript friendly - menus, login popup, quick admin all don't work (so wouldn't work for screen readers etc) making us less accessible than pre-bootstrap
cool, thanks chibaguy [11:51] chibaguythat's true. It was kind of funny to see superfish menus still working (though not especially nicely). [11:52] jonnybtrouble is there can be lots of ways this breaks, but hopefully this is good enough for 14.0 beta
yes, i'm not expecting tiki in noscript mode to be at all pretty, but it should be functional to an extent
there are lots of clients that have to have accessible sites by law (gov, edu etc) [11:52] chibaguyright. [11:53] jonnybi thought bootstrap did all that stuff?
like even the standard app menu 42 is unusable
anyway, if this fix is good for gezza too i'll re-release 14.0 beta [11:54] gezzayes, works for me too [11:55] chibaguyI guess bootstrap does all that stuff _via_ jabascript.
uh, javascript. [11:57] jonnybbut i thought that these screen reader things (for blind people) have to run without js [11:58] gezzaabout javascript: aren't we now assuming it is always on? I mean is it really happening in 2015 that you dont use javascript? [11:58] jonnybthere use to be a firefox plugin that shows you what they get [11:58] gezzamaybe it is
just asking [11:58] jonnybcertainly search engine crawler bots are noscript
hmm, the accessilbity thing maybe doesn't need js according to http://stackoverflow.com/q/21235312/2459703
anyway, chibaguy and gezza and all, ok to go for 14.0 beta? (i need to get on with other stuff ;) ) [11:59] chibaguyOk. How much is permissible about fixes of the beta? Should those commits be only critical items, not cosmetic? [12:04] jonnybhmm, good question
usually you're right, critical real FIXes only, but this time it's all a bit different [12:04] gezzainteresting link there, thanks jonnyb! "As of 2012, the percentage of screen-reader users who report browsing without JavaScript, according to the WebAIM survey was 1.4%. That number is consistent with, if not lower than, the percentage of all users browsing with JavaScript disabled." [12:05] jonnybi guess we should be a little more flexible as some "cosmetic" things are actually sort of critical [12:05] Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: UI / UX and Accessibility - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=55332 [12:06] Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r54721 10branches/14.x/changelog.txt * [REL] Update changelog.txt for 14.0beta [12:06] jonnybyes gezza - i read that too, so i guess we're ok form that point of view [12:06] Jyhem_laptopjoined #tikiwiki [12:09] Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r54722 10branches/14.x/db/tiki-secdb_14.0_mysql.sql * [REL] SecDB for 14.0beta
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03jonnybradley r54724 03tags/14.0beta * [REL] Tagging release [12:14] fabriciusjonnyb still there? I just did reread upwards -> now no (more?) WSoD on https://doc.tiki.org for me [12:23] jonnybpolom fabricius, thanks
hmm, still be for me, probably i'm still logged in
i deleted my phpsessid cookies and now is ok [12:24] fabriciuschibaguy, jonnyb, gezza I agree aswell, that Tiki should work to an extend (ot necessarily looking pretty) when noscript is on - and there are use cases or communities which are kind of picky towards JS - like dataprotection hack groups ... [12:26] jonnybyup, logged in and WSoD again [12:26] fabriciusjonnyb I try, mom
jonnyb me aswell => login = WSoD [12:26] jonnybjonnyb checks recent commits to 13.x [12:27] fabriciusjonnyb: https://doc.tiki.org/tiki-admin.php works ! wikipage does not work ! [12:29] jonnybodd
my local 13.x seems ok so far... [12:29] fabriciushttps://doc.tiki.org/tiki-index.php does not work, http/https no difference, switching off SEFURL does NOT help [12:31] chibaguyfabricius, I agree that this needs to be discussed. But I don't know if we can expect Tiki to function completely without Javascript. Also I don't know what the expectation is for other web applications. Seems like Javascript is woven into just about everything at a low level these days.
But it's good to discuss. [12:31] fabriciuschibaguy, imho there should always be some kind of a basic working navigation for anonymous users and basic content like wikipage, forum, articles etc. [12:32] chibaguywhy? [12:32] jonnyb14.0 beta tarballs now available for testing here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki/files/Tiki_14.x_Peony/14.0beta/ [12:33] chibaguywhat browser are they using, that has no javascript?
I'll be right back. [12:33] fabriciusMaybe I that is today more relevant for people who have worries and do not want to use JS and to people who want to offer non JS basic content [12:34] gezzathis one is interesting to read about this: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2012OctDec/0223.html [12:35] jonnybi think people that voluntarily disable javascript should stick with tiki 6 ;) [12:36] fabriciusI mean we have a lot of features that require javascript like jQuerySheet or draggable tables in WikiStructures administration etc. - If there are accessible solutions for disabled persons, either their screen readers are JS capaple or we have fallbacks, I do not mind to expect too much no-script consideration, but atleast some basic navigation
I do not like the idea, that a user withno-script active comes to Tiki sites and even cannot navigate to an information page or browse articles.
JS is for extending usability and not for losing [12:37] jonnybJyhem_laptop: you have a moment? If so could you have a look in the error_log for doc.t.o and see what's casusing the WSoD when logged in on a wiki page please?
have cleared the caches [12:40] fabriciusanyway, we should discuss over time and as open, that enough people have chances to contribute their concerns. If there is a broad consensus and good arguments and the handicapped people are considered as much as possible, I am fine to accept the desicions of the majority ... just not easily change massive parts without a way back or optionality without consent of the team
Tiki caches are cleared on doc.tiki.org aswell
still WSoD, but not on admin areas [12:41] jonnybthanks fabricius - that's what i meant ;)
yes, i suspect a module, but can't see any that are wiki only
some pages are ok, seems just homepage is bad [12:42] Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: Tiki 14.0 beta - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=55334 [12:46] jonnybaha, it's the SYLV module i think (copied the page source to my local) [12:46] fabriciusis the SYLV new?
whats with it?
checking module admin
ah no, you are on that - you must be logged in to copy it. sorry. [12:48] jonnybaha, found it
was a missing backport in modules/mod-func-since_last_visit_new.php [12:51] Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r54725 10branches/ 1013.x/modules/mod-func-since_last_visit_new.php 1013.x
[bp/r54489][FIX] sylv: Move the modifier include out of the "if comments added" statement and replace with the smarty loadPlugin function (thanks Xavi)
(should fix WSoD on doc.tiki.org hopefully)
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[bp/r54725][bp/r54489][FIX] sylv: Move the modifier include out of the "if comments added" statement and replace with the smarty loadPlugin function (thanks Xavi) [12:56] Telesightjoined #tikiwiki [13:00] .... (idle for 16mn)Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r54727 10branches/14.x/doc/devtools/tikirelease.sh
[FIX] release: Filter out the ambiguous class warnings from the composer output in the build section [13:16] fabriciusthx jonnyb - cool finding - Eagly Eye Jonny [13:16] chibaguyDo the popups seem too sticky to anyone else? [13:17] fabriciuswhich popups chibaguy? [13:17] jonnybchibaguy: definitely, really quite annoying! [13:18] chibaguyWhen I click the wrench on tiki-listpages.php, to show the page tools, it tends to stay open. I try clicking on it or outside of it or anywhere, and it stays open. [13:18] jonnybwas thinking of adding some sort of timeout for them, but hopefully i'll be fixed in bootstrap eventually
i fond it mostly on user links info popups (on wiki pages etc)
found [13:18] chibaguyah, I can dismiss it by hover on another link with a popup.
Like on tiki listpages, dismiss the wrench popup by hovering over the page link.
but if there's no other link, then (in weeks past, anyway) the popup stayed up until I left the page. [13:19] fabriciuschibaguy I feel, that this behaviour changes over times unexpectedly (to me) I do not see, how it should be and if there is a direction to have it consistent, I do not even know, if that is browser-dependant, situation-dependant, item-dependant [13:20] chibaguyI wonder if the wrench could be open on hover instead of open on click. [13:20] fabriciussome hover, some stick, but ... changes aswell
why not? [13:20] chibaguyThere should be a style guide or best practices doc for this, I suppose. [13:21] fabriciusimho this should be a matter of discussion in the UI/UX Team
yes!! [13:21] jonnybi tohught everything's supposed to be clicked now so it works on touch screens [13:21] chibaguyhmm [13:21] fabriciusand then a theme developer can do it differently in an individual self contained theme [13:22] chibaguywell, the functionality shouldn't be a matter of theme, I think. [13:22] fabriciusah good point jonnyb and chibaguy - touch MUST be considered [13:22] jonnybi reckon chibaguy, lindonb and gezza are the UI Team
(count the commits ;) ) [13:22] chibaguytrue about touch, but some things can be hover on the pc and touch on touchscreens. [13:22] Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r54728 10(83 files in 62 dirs)
[MRG] Automatic merge, branches/14.x 54681 to 54727
Conflicts on lib/setup/twversion.class.php fixed [13:22] fabriciuschibaguy, in case a functionality is sorted in a template and we have a guide for the standard Tiki legacy themes, anyone is free to change things in an individual theme [13:23] chibaguysure, for custom themes. [13:24] fabriciuschibaguy, jonnyb, gezza we could then consider how strict we want to be with guidelines for pre-shipped (legacy?) themes and to offer a download page for non-guideline individual themes [13:24] chibaguyWell, the elipsis for page tools is open-on-hover on my pc and open-on-click on my iphone. :-) [13:25] fabriciuswhy not let people offer themes for download on themes.tiki.org which are more customised - we have been discussing this last year anyway and selfcontained themes are optimal for that [13:25] chibaguy(bootstrap functionality I guess)
Yes, that's completely open to people if they want to do that.
And I hope they do want to submit new themes, with all kinds of creative implementations if they like. [13:25] jonnybok, walkies time for me, bbl [13:28] chibaguyI think the themes in the package should be pretty consistent in terms of UI, but contributed themes can be all over the map. [13:29] Jyhem_laptoppolom [13:29] chibaguysee you, jonnyb, thanks for your hard work. :-) [13:29] fabriciusanother thing jonnyb (mainly?) et al: I have found severe bug in a trunk site when I create tracker items - on saving a NEW tracker item I get a "The connection was reset" error and between one and four identical tracker items are created (see them when I go back) .. when I edit, I have the same error on saving, but no additional items [13:29] Jyhem_laptophey jonnyb, need me to do a copyright generation again ? [13:29] jonnyband you too all
hi Jyhem_laptop [13:29] fabriciusfabricius needs to file a bug report [13:29] Jyhem_laptopI mean I'm busy but now the process is kind of painless [13:30] jonnybno, i don't think it's necessary, no new committers, just the usual suspects so it shouldn't have changed materially ;) [13:30] gezzai tried t come up with some style guideline proposals, but could not really come up with simple rules, so I kindof stuck with this. You can see the draft here, maybe you can help to improve: http://dev.tiki.org/Tiki14StylingProposals [13:30] Jyhem_laptopgood :) [13:30] fabriciusjonnyb was that for me? [13:30] jonnybJyhem_laptop: i've already re-built and uploaded the tarballs so all done
Jyhem_laptop: an svn up on doc.t.o would be nice :)
fabricius: no sorry, was talking to Jyhem_laptop [13:30] Jyhem_laptopoh, too busy to pay attention :-( Thanks [13:31] fabriciusjonnyb, is the 14 alpha already downloadable?
latest build thingi? [13:31] jonnyb14.0 beta tarballs now available for testing here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki/files/Tiki_14.x_Peony/14.0beta/ [13:32] Jyhem_laptopJyhem_laptop not at home, looking up doc credentials [13:32] jonnybthink i emailed the dev list too [13:32] chibaguygoing to eat. bbl. [13:32] jonnybmaybe you could do some more to spread the word fabricius? ta
also off now for an hour or so, see you laterz [13:32] fabriciusabsolutely!
bye [13:33] jonnybthanks :) [13:33] Jyhem_laptop$ cd /var/local/doc.tiki.org/www
$ svn up
At revision 54728. [13:39] nelsonkojoined #tikiwiki [13:39] Jyhem_laptopdoc.tiki.org looks like it's working and svn up did nothing... [13:40] nelsonkoJyhem_laptop: maybe the script beat you to it? how often does it run anyway? [13:42] Jyhem_laptopno idea, I never spent time to understand this server config. i just have access for emergencies
maybe WSoD requires additianal steps ? Let's wait for jonny's return [13:45] Tiki|botjoined #tikiwiki [13:54] .... (idle for 18mn)fabriciusnelsonko, Jyhem what do you think could be the cause, if tracker-creation on save causes "The connection was reset" error and after the JS/Ajax loaded a while, more than one identical items are created (Trunk) [14:12] ....... (idle for 30mn)jonnybjoined #tikiwiki
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joined #tikiwiki [14:43] fabriciuswolod wolod jonnyb [14:46] jonnybhi fabricius, thanks for the fb post :) [14:47] fabriciussure, thx for liking [14:47] Jyhem_laptophi guys [14:48] fabriciuswill try to do info.t.o article, but have to give a lesson at 16:00 [14:48] jonnybok, nice one, thanks [14:48] fabriciushi Jyhem Jyhem_laptop just filing a bugreport [14:48] jonnybre-hi Jyhem_laptop [14:48] fabriciusteam jonnyb [14:48] jonnybnoooooo! [14:48] fabriciuswhat? no bugreport?
you are fixing? [14:49] jonnybonly kidding fabricius
wot bug? [14:49] fabriciushehe loool
Tracker item save - error: "The connection was reset" - plus several identical items created
number of identical items depends on the time Ajax loads
average is 3 to 4 items [14:49] jonnybhmm, nice - on 14.x? [14:50] fabriciusin Chrome if site is fast or if you quickly enough press the "back" button, you canhave luck and get only one item
trunk for sure
do not want to upgrade the other site
I have two productive collaboration platforms for to associations
one is 14 and one is trunk [14:51] jonnybtrunk should be the same - "connection was reset" sounds like a server issue more than tiki, anything in the apache logs? [14:52] fabriciusin the 14 I do not have (yet), but no recent svn made
ouch - u guide me to the apache logs? it is share hosting with some ssh access
never had any problems server side with this provider for years
very standard and very up to date
both sites (14 and trunk amongst others) on the same server by the way [14:52] jonnyband when was it last ok? is this a recent regression? [14:55] fabriciusI am very pretty much sure, that it was not before mid of February, I would say max 2 weeks or so
but a few days ... last week I did sleep every two days due to pressure in projects and thus every 1/2 day postponed the bug report
so just today take time on such things like community info, bug reprt etc. [14:55] jonnybwondering if it was a fix i did to do with validation, i finally managed to get the tracker edit form to scroll to the validation error (cos on a long form when clicking save the form just stayed there and you had to guess what had happened)
you have jquery validation on? [14:57] fabriciusno
not for any tracker
not any that I know [14:57] jonnybmaybe try that and if i fixes it that's a good clue [14:58] fabriciusok
activate in this tracker? [14:58] jonnybin admin/features/interface
i think it defaults to on [14:58] fabriciuschecking
was and is active at admin/features/interface
try with off? or try trackerspecific validation? jonnyb? [14:59] jonnybno it's shared if the feature is on [15:01] MagicFab_joined #tikiwiki
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[bp/r54729][FIX] multitiki: Show correct console.php command for multitiki sites
(include_search.tpl changed manually as that code has moved to rebuild.tpl in 14.x) [16:00] 03jonnybradley r54731 10branches/ 1012.x/templates/admin/include_search.tpl 1012.x/templates/database-connection-error.tpl 1012.x 1012.x/templates/tiki-admin.tpl
[bp/r54730][bp/r54729][FIX] multitiki: Show correct console.php command for multitiki sites
(with some manual merging) [16:10] redflojoined #tikiwiki [16:24] Jyhem_laptopjoined #tikiwiki [16:34] ....... (idle for 33mn)repolom [17:07] jonnybmoloqer [17:08] Jyhem_laptopfirst good look at Tiki14
already found a bug which is strangely hard to fix. [17:08] jonnybcoding's a funny thing, i quoted a client half an hour or so to add a checkbox to make another load of checkboxes toggle - it's more or less a jquery one-liner, and an hour later is still don't have it working!
must be that sort of day! :) [17:09] Jyhem_laptopI think icons for import and export are switched in trackers [17:10] jonnybjonnyb looks [17:10] Jyhem_laptopimport should be upload whil export should be download [17:10] jonnybyes, i think i agree
but how it it bing tricky? [17:11] Jyhem_laptopunrelated issue: in http://demo.tiki.org/14x/tiki-view_tracker.php?trackerId=1 can not open the "…" thing :-( [17:11] jonnybbeing
i get a menu with nothing on it apart from the label "tracker actions" (not great) [17:11] Jyhem_laptopbecause in the templates/tiki-view_tracker.tpl I only see {icon name="import"} {tr}Import{/tr} and {icon name="export"} {tr}Export{/tr}
abstraction layer wins again :-( [17:12] jonnybcheck in iconsets/default.php
that's where the names get defined (also in the other iconsets, glyphicons and legacy) [17:12] Jyhem_laptopls: cannot access iconset: No such file or directory
Jyhem_laptop needs to get back to projects [17:13] jonnybsomehwere in themes
i'll do it, am fed up with my jquery problem ;) [17:13] Jyhem_laptopJyhem_laptop needs to leave work at 18:15, and a couple stuff need to progress
thanks, I'll look for the commit for a soluiton :) [17:14] jonnybha ha, they're actually aliasses for download and upload, but the wrong way round :)
for future reference they'ree in themes/base_files/iconsets/default.php [17:15] Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r54732 10branches/14.x/themes/base_files/iconsets/default.php
[FIX] icons: Exporting is downloading, importing is uploading (thanks Jyhem_laptop) [17:18] Jyhem_laptopThanks Jonny, yes, firebug was pretty much showing their real names (download & upload), so I thought I'd find them easily
Am I the only one who can not use drop-down menus on http://demo.tiki.org/14x/ ? [17:24] jonnyball the icon sets have different names for things, so we need a layer inbetween tiki and the current set, it's a pretty simple abstration really :)
ah, logged in on http://demo.tiki.org/14x/ it fails
looks like the js detect bug, is it up to date?
although i have the javascript_enabled cookie
no jquery :(
possibly it need the fix i made this morning in 14.x?
yes, it needs svn up, it's on 54715 and the fix was in 54720 [17:25] xavileft #tikiwiki [17:36] Tiki-KGB03xavidp r54733 10branches/ 1014.x/templates/wizard/admin_look_and_feel.tpl 1014.x/templates/wizard/upgrade_new_in_14.tpl 1014.x/templates/wizard/upgrade_new_in_13.tpl 1014.x/lib/wizard/pages/admin_look_and_feel.php
[FIX]Update the options shown in the configuration and upgrade wizards to match current options in Tiki14 (and remove the former ones shown in what's new in Tiki13) to select theme and options, etc. Thumbnail display of the selected theme in real time has been disabled in the wizard because it was not working at all and I couldn't manage to fix it. Some spaces converted to tabs. [17:38] Jyhem_laptopweird, svn up should happen at 2:15 on demo.to [17:50] MagicFab_joined #tikiwiki [17:53] jonnybJyhem_laptop: seems ok now, you svn up'ed manually? [17:53] Jyhem_laptopyes :) [17:54] gezzahi [18:06] jonnybhi gezza [18:07] gezzaabout "..." icon showing no actions at http://demo.tiki.org/14x/tiki-view_tracker.php?trackerId=1
i had a chat with lindon on how to hide it in case user has no permission to anything there [18:08] jonnybyes, those appear in a few places - wiki pages etc too if perms are set that way [18:09] gezzathere was no conclusion :) just mentioning, that it isomething to be resolved [18:09] jonnybnot easy to prevent [18:09] gezzaseems complicated to check in the tpl for possible permission combinations
he suggested something about smarty capture and count the avalable items [18:09] jonnybone (horrible) way ot do it is to render the contents in a smarty capture and if it's empty don't do anything - but capture is very poor for performance
:) [18:10] gezzayes, he noted the same
any ideas? [18:10] jonnybthe alternative is to check all the same things the menu checks, also horrible and duplicates lots of logic
wonder if there's a clever css3 way of doing it - like a "no children" selector [18:10] gezzai was thinking about have a Reload or something that is always visible, but does not feel right
like in listings it easy, we can put there "view" action, that should be always available [18:11] jonnybon one site i did i used the body.grp_Registered class to hide those for anon
hmmm, dummy menu item doesn't really help that much, and this is a problem in quite a few places, not just trackers [18:12] gezzajavascript? [18:17] jonnybunbelievable - 2 hours for 3 lines of jquery - lovely!
yes, i was wondering about a js fix - not great but the otehr options are all nesty too
nasty :) [18:17] gezzaa not-so-dummy option could be to place there navigation button
eg in this case a link to trackers [18:20] jonnybany French speakers about? What's the French for "toggle" (as in a checkbox)
but there's no navigation button on wiki page actions [18:20] gezzalink to List wiki pages
something relevant for each case [18:24] jonnybi thnk a js or css fix would be better and could get all these things at once (probably)
would be messy to have to fix each one manually [18:25] gezzafine by me if you can come up with something jquery :)
that filtering on the tracker item list looks quite bad [18:26] ..... (idle for 21mn)jonnybgezza: does this help?
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13861230/hide-content-of-parent-element-without-hiding-children-in-css [18:47] gezzasounds good, let me try [18:49] jonnybthe wikiactions one seems to use .open to show the dropdown
so maybe something like "icons.btn-group" visible hidden and "icons.btn-group a" showing? [18:50] gezzai just played with it on an android phone and an ipad, seems to be smart, on my laptop, it works with hover, on the smartphone/tablet I have to tap [18:51] jonnybyes, i heard that - clever :) [18:51] gezzawhat does not work is to have multiple hovers, eg structures and translations [18:52] jonnybhmm, the trackers one is a bit different in structure (of course) [18:52] gezzanot multiple, sorry, nested hover [18:52] jonnybhmm, not ideal
probably not recommended design, like having multi-level menus that bootstrap doesn't allow [18:53] gezzamaybe those should have their on icon afterall
anyway, let me check first this visibility [18:53] jonnybbrb
back, but realised what the time is - gotta go, more tomorrow! [18:54] gezzajust for the record, this seems to work to hide empty ellipsis for wikiactions: .icons.btn-group { visibility: hidden;} .icons.btn-group li { visibility: visible;}
but maybe we could introduce a special class for these
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