[00:02] jonnyb hmmm, afraid i've broken the js detect code on a new install, sorry but i'm going to have to fix it (and release another beta) :(
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[00:52] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r54715 10branches/14.x/lib/setup/javascript.php
[00:52] Tiki-KGB [FIX] javascript: Hopefully a fix for js detect following my breaking it in r54597 - will review and test again before 14.0 beta (but committing "early" in case anyone else can test - thanks)
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[03:16] chibaguy Heh, there's a "Dummy preference" in tiki-admin.php?page=features: "Dummy preference
[03:16] chibaguy This is the shorthint.
[03:16] chibaguy 
[03:16] chibaguy This is the detail.
[03:16] chibaguy This is the hint." I guess a placeholder/model that should have been removed.
[03:17] chibaguy (in branch 14)
[03:18] chibaguy At first I wondered, "Preference for dummies? Preference about dummies?" :-)
[03:19] chibaguy Had to install Tiki branches again locally so a good chance to check things.
[03:25] chibaguy Oh, finding regressions in L&F: The full list of theme options is always available, for all themes. (Checking with Firefox on localhost.)
[03:26] chibaguy The custom theme URL is always displaying (didn't it used to be hidden unless the custom-url option is chosen?).
[03:26] chibaguy (I mean the custom theme URL field.)
[03:27] chibaguy Dropdowns (like the quickadmin ellipsis) aren't working here.
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[03:36] chibaguy r54745 - I cleared cookies.
[04:03] chibaguy I guess these are all connected to jonny's dev list mail.
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[09:48] Tiki-KGB 03xavidp r54716 10branches/ 1014.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_backlinks.php 1014.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_titlesearch.php
[09:48] Tiki-KGB [FIX]Exclude param was not working. There is some warning still, but at least it works as expected for the end user, and param exclude is taken into account and its contents excluded from the list of results shown. Feel free to improve anyone with higer skills than me.
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[09:50] Tiki-KGB [bp/r54716][FIX]Exclude param was not working. There is some warning still, but at least it works as expected for the end user, and param exclude is taken into account and its contents excluded from the list of results shown. Feel free to improve anyone with higer skills than me.
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[09:52] Tiki-KGB [bp/r54716][FIX]Exclude param was not working. There is some warning still, but at least it works as expected for the end user, and param exclude is taken into account and its contents excluded from the list of results shown. Feel free to improve anyone with higer skills than me.
[10:00] Tiki-KGB 03xavidp r54719 10branches/ 10(10 files)
[10:00] Tiki-KGB [FIX]UI: upgrade wizard icon should have the arrow pointing upwards, to be more intuitive. Thanks gezza
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[10:57] chibaguy polom
[11:01] gezza hi chibaguy
[11:02] gezza i was wondering if css rules regarding breadcrumb should be in tiki_base.css or on a per theme basis
[11:02] gezza i kindof like bootstraps default
[11:03] gezza no italics, full length
[11:04] chibaguy I like flexibility, too, so per theme would be good. I used italic because of the Tiki legacy style, and didn't like the block style when the breadcrumb is short, but that's just my personal opinion.
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[11:06] chibaguy I like the method of making a variable for styles like that, so it's easier to change than looking through all the css.
[11:06] chibaguy So I'll do that with the breadcrumbs.
[11:07] gezza make variables? ok I'll check your commit and see what you mean :)
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[11:13] chibaguy Ok. What I mean by that is to follow the Bootstrap pattern (or Less pattern) of putting a variable name in a CSS rule and then defining that variable in a separate file.
[11:14] chibaguy But I also intend to write up some doc pages about this kind of thing.
[11:20] gezza ok
[11:20] gezza thanks
[11:21] jonnyb polom
[11:21] jonnyb chibaguy: i see form the irc log you were having js troubles, not just that old opera browser after all i guess - did http://sourceforge.net/p/tikiwiki/code/54715 fix it for you?
[11:22] gezza hi jonnyb
[11:22] jonnyb hi gezza
[11:22] gezza i still have issues in FF, updated to latest Tiki14 rev, cleared cahce (tiki and browser)
[11:22] jonnyb which cookies do you have?
[11:24] gezza I have 4: javascript_enabled =y tiki_cookies_accepted = y PHPSESSID PHPSESSIDCV
[11:25] jonnyb ok, but still no javascript?
[11:25] jonnyb odd, cos javascript_enabled=y is all you need
[11:25] gezza no, I dont see any after the body
[11:25] jonnyb that's what was missing form the beta i tested last night, and hoipefully fixed in that commit
[11:26] jonnyb sorry, you don't see any what after the body?
[11:26] chibaguy Hi jonnyb
[11:26] jonnyb js file includes?
[11:26] jonnyb hi chibaguy
[11:26] chibaguy I also still have problems in Firefox.
[11:26] chibaguy (but I need to clear the cookie again maybe)
[11:28] chibaguy yay, cookie gone, js back.
[11:28] gezza yes, I meant the js includes (<script>)
[11:29] jonnyb hmm, weird
[11:29] jonnyb let me do a new fresh install...
[11:29] chibaguy yay, in Opera 12 too. :-)
[11:31] gezza i switched off minify js but it did not help, probably no relation
[11:32] chibaguy oops, I don't know what happened, but I clicked an external link by mistake (one of the doc.t.o. links on the branch14 default home page) and then tried the dropdowns again and now they don't work.
[11:33] jonnyb by the way, i'm getting WSoD on https://doc.tiki.org - anyone else?
[11:33] gezza for me it opens
[11:34] chibaguy For my localhost branch 14, each page when it loads needs to have the cookie removed. dropdowns then work until I go to another page.
[11:34] chibaguy doc.t.o is WSOD for me too.
[11:35] jonnyb ok, sounds like my fix last night was bad - was late
[11:40] jonnyb hmm, that's changed (and is a bit wrong) - doing a fresh install when i leave the installer i get a page saying "Your account has been validated. You have to choose a password to use this account." and the change password form, not the right message :(
[11:41] jonnyb ah, found it - stupid mistake, sorry
[11:49] jonnyb ok, heres another fix for js detect
[11:50] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r54720 10branches/14.x/lib/setup/javascript.php
[11:50] Tiki-KGB [FIX] javascript: Another fix for js detect - thanks gezza and chibaguy for the feedback (and apologies)
[11:50] jonnyb i think the whole logic of that section needs rethinking, but it's beyond me now, something for 15 if this is near enough
[11:51] chibaguy Success this time, jonnyb, thanks.
[11:51] jonnyb by the way, bootstrap seems to be decidedly non-noscript friendly - menus, login popup, quick admin all don't work (so wouldn't work for screen readers etc) making us less accessible than pre-bootstrap
[11:51] jonnyb cool, thanks chibaguy
[11:52] chibaguy that's true. It was kind of funny to see superfish menus still working (though not especially nicely).
[11:52] jonnyb trouble is there can be lots of ways this breaks, but hopefully this is good enough for 14.0 beta
[11:53] jonnyb yes, i'm not expecting tiki in noscript mode to be at all pretty, but it should be functional to an extent
[11:53] jonnyb there are lots of clients that have to have accessible sites by law (gov, edu etc)
[11:53] chibaguy right.
[11:54] jonnyb i thought bootstrap did all that stuff?
[11:54] jonnyb like even the standard app menu 42 is unusable
[11:55] jonnyb anyway, if this fix is good for gezza too i'll re-release 14.0 beta
[11:55] gezza yes, works for me too
[11:57] chibaguy I guess bootstrap does all that stuff _via_ jabascript.
[11:57] chibaguy uh, javascript.
[11:58] jonnyb but i thought that these screen reader things (for blind people) have to run without js
[11:58] gezza about javascript: aren't we now assuming it is always on? I mean is it really happening in 2015 that you dont use javascript?
[11:58] jonnyb there use to be a firefox plugin that shows you what they get
[11:58] gezza maybe it is
[11:58] gezza just asking
[11:59] jonnyb certainly search engine crawler bots are noscript
[12:01] jonnyb hmm, the accessilbity thing maybe doesn't need js according to http://stackoverflow.com/q/21235312/2459703
[12:02] jonnyb anyway, chibaguy and gezza and all, ok to go for 14.0 beta? (i need to get on with other stuff ;) )
[12:04] chibaguy Ok. How much is permissible about fixes of the beta? Should those commits be only critical items, not cosmetic?
[12:04] jonnyb hmm, good question
[12:05] jonnyb usually you're right, critical real FIXes only, but this time it's all a bit different
[12:05] gezza interesting link there, thanks jonnyb! "As of 2012, the percentage of screen-reader users who report browsing without JavaScript, according to the WebAIM survey was 1.4%. That number is consistent with, if not lower than, the percentage of all users browsing with JavaScript disabled."
[12:05] jonnyb i guess we should be a little more flexible as some "cosmetic" things are actually sort of critical
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[12:06] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r54721 10branches/14.x/changelog.txt * [REL] Update changelog.txt for 14.0beta
[12:06] jonnyb yes gezza - i read that too, so i guess we're ok form that point of view
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[12:14] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r54723 04tags/14.0beta * [REL] Deleting tag 'tags/14.0beta' in order to create a new one
[12:14] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r54724 03tags/14.0beta * [REL] Tagging release
[12:23] fabricius jonnyb still there? I just did reread upwards -> now no (more?) WSoD on https://doc.tiki.org for me
[12:24] jonnyb polom fabricius, thanks
[12:24] jonnyb hmm, still be for me, probably i'm still logged in
[12:25] jonnyb i deleted my phpsessid cookies and now is ok
[12:26] fabricius chibaguy, jonnyb, gezza I agree aswell, that Tiki should work to an extend (ot necessarily looking pretty) when noscript is on - and there are use cases or communities which are kind of picky towards JS - like dataprotection hack groups ...
[12:26] jonnyb yup, logged in and WSoD again
[12:26] fabricius jonnyb I try, mom
[12:27] fabricius jonnyb me aswell => login = WSoD
[12:27] * jonnyb checks recent commits to 13.x
[12:29] fabricius jonnyb: https://doc.tiki.org/tiki-admin.php works ! wikipage does not work !
[12:29] jonnyb odd
[12:29] jonnyb my local 13.x seems ok so far...
[12:31] fabricius https://doc.tiki.org/tiki-index.php does not work, http/https no difference, switching off SEFURL does NOT help
[12:31] chibaguy fabricius, I agree that this needs to be discussed. But I don't know if we can expect Tiki to function completely without Javascript. Also I don't know what the expectation is for other web applications. Seems like Javascript is woven into just about everything at a low level these days.
[12:31] chibaguy But it's good to discuss.
[12:32] fabricius chibaguy, imho there should always be some kind of a basic working navigation for anonymous users and basic content like wikipage, forum, articles etc.
[12:32] chibaguy why?
[12:33] jonnyb 14.0 beta tarballs now available for testing here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki/files/Tiki_14.x_Peony/14.0beta/
[12:33] chibaguy what browser are they using, that has no javascript?
[12:33] chibaguy I'll be right back.
[12:34] fabricius Maybe I that is today more relevant for people who have worries and do not want to use JS and to people who want to offer non JS basic content
[12:35] gezza this one is interesting to read about this: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2012OctDec/0223.html
[12:36] jonnyb i think people that voluntarily disable javascript should stick with tiki 6 ;)
[12:37] fabricius I mean we have a lot of features that require javascript like jQuerySheet or draggable tables in WikiStructures administration etc. - If there are accessible solutions for disabled persons, either their screen readers are JS capaple or we have fallbacks, I do not mind to expect too much no-script consideration, but atleast some basic navigation
[12:38] fabricius I do not like the idea, that a user withno-script active comes to Tiki sites and even cannot navigate to an information page or browse articles.
[12:38] fabricius JS is for extending usability and not for losing
[12:40] jonnyb Jyhem_laptop: you have a moment? If so could you have a look in the error_log for doc.t.o and see what's casusing the WSoD when logged in on a wiki page please?
[12:40] jonnyb have cleared the caches
[12:41] fabricius anyway, we should discuss over time and as open, that enough people have chances to contribute their concerns. If there is a broad consensus and good arguments and the handicapped people are considered as much as possible, I am fine to accept the desicions of the majority ... just not easily change massive parts without a way back or optionality without consent of the team
[12:41] fabricius Tiki caches are cleared on doc.tiki.org aswell
[12:42] fabricius still WSoD, but not on admin areas
[12:42] jonnyb thanks fabricius - that's what i meant ;)
[12:42] jonnyb yes, i suspect a module, but can't see any that are wiki only
[12:43] jonnyb some pages are ok, seems just homepage is bad
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[12:46] jonnyb aha, it's the SYLV module i think (copied the page source to my local)
[12:48] fabricius is the SYLV new?
[12:48] fabricius whats with it?
[12:48] fabricius checking module admin
[12:49] fabricius ah no, you are on that - you must be logged in to copy it. sorry.
[12:51] jonnyb aha, found it
[12:51] jonnyb was a missing backport in modules/mod-func-since_last_visit_new.php
[12:56] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r54725 10branches/ 1013.x/modules/mod-func-since_last_visit_new.php 1013.x
[12:56] Tiki-KGB [bp/r54489][FIX] sylv: Move the modifier include out of the "if comments added" statement and replace with the smarty loadPlugin function (thanks Xavi)
[12:56] Tiki-KGB (should fix WSoD on doc.tiki.org hopefully)
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[12:58] Tiki-KGB [bp/r54725][bp/r54489][FIX] sylv: Move the modifier include out of the "if comments added" statement and replace with the smarty loadPlugin function (thanks Xavi)
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[13:16] Tiki-KGB [FIX] release: Filter out the ambiguous class warnings from the composer output in the build section
[13:16] fabricius thx jonnyb - cool finding - Eagly Eye Jonny
[13:17] chibaguy Do the popups seem too sticky to anyone else?
[13:17] fabricius which popups chibaguy?
[13:18] jonnyb chibaguy: definitely, really quite annoying!
[13:18] chibaguy When I click the wrench on tiki-listpages.php, to show the page tools, it tends to stay open. I try clicking on it or outside of it or anywhere, and it stays open.
[13:18] jonnyb was thinking of adding some sort of timeout for them, but hopefully i'll be fixed in bootstrap eventually
[13:18] jonnyb i fond it mostly on user links info popups (on wiki pages etc)
[13:18] jonnyb found
[13:19] chibaguy ah, I can dismiss it by hover on another link with a popup.
[13:19] chibaguy Like on tiki listpages, dismiss the wrench popup by hovering over the page link.
[13:19] chibaguy but if there's no other link, then (in weeks past, anyway) the popup stayed up until I left the page.
[13:20] fabricius chibaguy I feel, that this behaviour changes over times unexpectedly (to me) I do not see, how it should be and if there is a direction to have it consistent, I do not even know, if that is browser-dependant, situation-dependant, item-dependant
[13:20] chibaguy I wonder if the wrench could be open on hover instead of open on click.
[13:20] fabricius some hover, some stick, but ... changes aswell
[13:21] fabricius why not?
[13:21] chibaguy There should be a style guide or best practices doc for this, I suppose.
[13:21] fabricius imho this should be a matter of discussion in the UI/UX Team
[13:21] fabricius yes!!
[13:21] jonnyb i tohught everything's supposed to be clicked now so it works on touch screens
[13:21] chibaguy hmm
[13:22] fabricius and then a theme developer can do it differently in an individual self contained theme
[13:22] chibaguy well, the functionality shouldn't be a matter of theme, I think.
[13:22] fabricius ah good point jonnyb and chibaguy - touch MUST be considered
[13:22] jonnyb i reckon chibaguy, lindonb and gezza are the UI Team
[13:22] jonnyb (count the commits ;) )
[13:22] chibaguy true about touch, but some things can be hover on the pc and touch on touchscreens.
[13:22] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r54728 10(83 files in 62 dirs)
[13:22] Tiki-KGB [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/14.x 54681 to 54727
[13:22] Tiki-KGB Conflicts on lib/setup/twversion.class.php fixed
[13:23] fabricius chibaguy, in case a functionality is sorted in a template and we have a guide for the standard Tiki legacy themes, anyone is free to change things in an individual theme
[13:24] chibaguy sure, for custom themes.
[13:24] fabricius chibaguy, jonnyb, gezza we could then consider how strict we want to be with guidelines for pre-shipped (legacy?) themes and to offer a download page for non-guideline individual themes
[13:25] chibaguy Well, the elipsis for page tools is open-on-hover on my pc and open-on-click on my iphone. :-)
[13:25] fabricius why not let people offer themes for download on themes.tiki.org which are more customised - we have been discussing this last year anyway and selfcontained themes are optimal for that
[13:25] chibaguy (bootstrap functionality I guess)
[13:26] chibaguy Yes, that's completely open to people if they want to do that.
[13:27] chibaguy And I hope they do want to submit new themes, with all kinds of creative implementations if they like.
[13:28] jonnyb ok, walkies time for me, bbl
[13:29] chibaguy I think the themes in the package should be pretty consistent in terms of UI, but contributed themes can be all over the map.
[13:29] Jyhem_laptop polom
[13:29] chibaguy see you, jonnyb, thanks for your hard work. :-)
[13:29] fabricius another thing jonnyb (mainly?) et al: I have found severe bug in a trunk site when I create tracker items - on saving a NEW tracker item I get a "The connection was reset" error and between one and four identical tracker items are created (see them when I go back) .. when I edit, I have the same error on saving, but no additional items
[13:29] Jyhem_laptop hey jonnyb, need me to do a copyright generation again ?
[13:29] jonnyb and you too all
[13:29] jonnyb hi Jyhem_laptop
[13:29] * fabricius needs to file a bug report
[13:30] Jyhem_laptop I mean I'm busy but now the process is kind of painless
[13:30] jonnyb no, i don't think it's necessary, no new committers, just the usual suspects so it shouldn't have changed materially ;)
[13:30] gezza i tried t come up with some style guideline proposals, but could not really come up with simple rules, so I kindof stuck with this. You can see the draft here, maybe you can help to improve: http://dev.tiki.org/Tiki14StylingProposals
[13:30] Jyhem_laptop good :)
[13:30] fabricius jonnyb was that for me?
[13:30] jonnyb Jyhem_laptop: i've already re-built and uploaded the tarballs so all done
[13:31] jonnyb Jyhem_laptop: an svn up on doc.t.o would be nice :)
[13:31] jonnyb fabricius: no sorry, was talking to Jyhem_laptop
[13:31] Jyhem_laptop oh, too busy to pay attention :-( Thanks
[13:31] fabricius jonnyb, is the 14 alpha already downloadable?
[13:31] fabricius latest build thingi?
[13:32] jonnyb 14.0 beta tarballs now available for testing here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki/files/Tiki_14.x_Peony/14.0beta/
[13:32] * Jyhem_laptop not at home, looking up doc credentials
[13:32] jonnyb think i emailed the dev list too
[13:32] chibaguy going to eat. bbl.
[13:32] jonnyb maybe you could do some more to spread the word fabricius? ta
[13:33] jonnyb also off now for an hour or so, see you laterz
[13:33] fabricius absolutely!
[13:33] fabricius bye
[13:33] jonnyb thanks :)
[13:39] Jyhem_laptop $ cd /var/local/doc.tiki.org/www
[13:39] Jyhem_laptop $ svn up
[13:39] Jyhem_laptop At revision 54728.
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[13:40] Jyhem_laptop doc.tiki.org looks like it's working and svn up did nothing...
[13:42] nelsonko Jyhem_laptop: maybe the script beat you to it? how often does it run anyway?
[13:45] Jyhem_laptop no idea, I never spent time to understand this server config. i just have access for emergencies
[13:46] Jyhem_laptop maybe WSoD requires additianal steps ? Let's wait for jonny's return
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[14:12] fabricius nelsonko, Jyhem what do you think could be the cause, if tracker-creation on save causes "The connection was reset" error and after the JS/Ajax loaded a while, more than one identical items are created (Trunk)
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[14:46] fabricius wolod wolod jonnyb
[14:47] jonnyb hi fabricius, thanks for the fb post :)
[14:47] fabricius sure, thx for liking
[14:48] Jyhem_laptop hi guys
[14:48] fabricius will try to do info.t.o article, but have to give a lesson at 16:00
[14:48] jonnyb ok, nice one, thanks
[14:48] fabricius hi Jyhem Jyhem_laptop just filing a bugreport
[14:48] jonnyb re-hi Jyhem_laptop
[14:48] fabricius team jonnyb
[14:48] jonnyb noooooo!
[14:49] fabricius what? no bugreport?
[14:49] fabricius you are fixing?
[14:49] jonnyb only kidding fabricius
[14:49] jonnyb wot bug?
[14:49] fabricius hehe loool
[14:50] fabricius Tracker item save - error: "The connection was reset" - plus several identical items created
[14:50] fabricius number of identical items depends on the time Ajax loads
[14:50] fabricius average is 3 to 4 items
[14:50] jonnyb hmm, nice - on 14.x?
[14:51] fabricius in Chrome if site is fast or if you quickly enough press the "back" button, you canhave luck and get only one item
[14:51] fabricius trunk for sure
[14:51] fabricius do not want to upgrade the other site
[14:51] fabricius I have two productive collaboration platforms for to associations
[14:51] fabricius one is 14 and one is trunk
[14:52] jonnyb trunk should be the same - "connection was reset" sounds like a server issue more than tiki, anything in the apache logs?
[14:52] fabricius in the 14 I do not have (yet), but no recent svn made
[14:52] fabricius ouch - u guide me to the apache logs? it is share hosting with some ssh access
[14:53] fabricius never had any problems server side with this provider for years
[14:53] fabricius very standard and very up to date
[14:53] fabricius both sites (14 and trunk amongst others) on the same server by the way
[14:55] jonnyb and when was it last ok? is this a recent regression?
[14:55] fabricius I am very pretty much sure, that it was not before mid of February, I would say max 2 weeks or so
[14:56] fabricius but a few days ... last week I did sleep every two days due to pressure in projects and thus every 1/2 day postponed the bug report
[14:57] fabricius so just today take time on such things like community info, bug reprt etc.
[14:57] jonnyb wondering if it was a fix i did to do with validation, i finally managed to get the tracker edit form to scroll to the validation error (cos on a long form when clicking save the form just stayed there and you had to guess what had happened)
[14:57] jonnyb you have jquery validation on?
[14:57] fabricius no
[14:57] fabricius not for any tracker
[14:58] fabricius not any that I know
[14:58] jonnyb maybe try that and if i fixes it that's a good clue
[14:58] fabricius ok
[14:58] fabricius activate in this tracker?
[14:58] jonnyb in admin/features/interface
[14:58] jonnyb i think it defaults to on
[14:59] fabricius checking
[15:00] fabricius was and is active at admin/features/interface
[15:01] fabricius try with off? or try trackerspecific validation? jonnyb?
[15:01] jonnyb no it's shared if the feature is on
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[15:50] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r54729 10branches/ 1014.x/templates/database-connection-error.tpl 1014.x/templates/tiki-admin.tpl 1014.x/templates/search/rebuild.tpl * [FIX] multitiki: Show correct console.php command for multitiki sites
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[16:00] Tiki-KGB [bp/r54729][FIX] multitiki: Show correct console.php command for multitiki sites
[16:00] Tiki-KGB (include_search.tpl changed manually as that code has moved to rebuild.tpl in 14.x)
[16:10] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r54731 10branches/ 1012.x/templates/admin/include_search.tpl 1012.x/templates/database-connection-error.tpl 1012.x 1012.x/templates/tiki-admin.tpl
[16:10] Tiki-KGB [bp/r54730][bp/r54729][FIX] multitiki: Show correct console.php command for multitiki sites
[16:10] Tiki-KGB (with some manual merging)
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[17:08] jonnyb moloqer
[17:08] Jyhem_laptop first good look at Tiki14
[17:09] Jyhem_laptop already found a bug which is strangely hard to fix.
[17:09] jonnyb coding's a funny thing, i quoted a client half an hour or so to add a checkbox to make another load of checkboxes toggle - it's more or less a jquery one-liner, and an hour later is still don't have it working!
[17:09] jonnyb must be that sort of day! :)
[17:10] Jyhem_laptop I think icons for import and export are switched in trackers
[17:10] * jonnyb looks
[17:10] Jyhem_laptop import should be upload whil export should be download
[17:11] jonnyb yes, i think i agree
[17:11] jonnyb but how it it bing tricky?
[17:11] Jyhem_laptop unrelated issue: in http://demo.tiki.org/14x/tiki-view_tracker.php?trackerId=1 can not open the "…" thing :-(
[17:11] jonnyb being
[17:12] jonnyb i get a menu with nothing on it apart from the label "tracker actions" (not great)
[17:12] Jyhem_laptop because in the templates/tiki-view_tracker.tpl I only see {icon name="import"} {tr}Import{/tr} and {icon name="export"} {tr}Export{/tr}
[17:12] Jyhem_laptop abstraction layer wins again :-(
[17:12] jonnyb check in iconsets/default.php
[17:13] jonnyb that's where the names get defined (also in the other iconsets, glyphicons and legacy)
[17:13] Jyhem_laptop ls: cannot access iconset: No such file or directory
[17:13] * Jyhem_laptop needs to get back to projects
[17:13] jonnyb somehwere in themes
[17:14] jonnyb i'll do it, am fed up with my jquery problem ;)
[17:14] * Jyhem_laptop needs to leave work at 18:15, and a couple stuff need to progress
[17:14] Jyhem_laptop thanks, I'll look for the commit for a soluiton :)
[17:15] jonnyb ha ha, they're actually aliasses for download and upload, but the wrong way round :)
[17:15] jonnyb for future reference they'ree in themes/base_files/iconsets/default.php
[17:18] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r54732 10branches/14.x/themes/base_files/iconsets/default.php
[17:18] Tiki-KGB [FIX] icons: Exporting is downloading, importing is uploading (thanks Jyhem_laptop)
[17:24] Jyhem_laptop Thanks Jonny, yes, firebug was pretty much showing their real names (download & upload), so I thought I'd find them easily
[17:24] Jyhem_laptop Am I the only one who can not use drop-down menus on http://demo.tiki.org/14x/ ?
[17:25] jonnyb all the icon sets have different names for things, so we need a layer inbetween tiki and the current set, it's a pretty simple abstration really :)
[17:26] jonnyb ah, logged in on http://demo.tiki.org/14x/ it fails
[17:27] jonnyb looks like the js detect bug, is it up to date?
[17:27] jonnyb although i have the javascript_enabled cookie
[17:28] jonnyb no jquery :(
[17:31] jonnyb possibly it need the fix i made this morning in 14.x?
[17:32] jonnyb yes, it needs svn up, it's on 54715 and the fix was in 54720
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[17:38] Tiki-KGB 03xavidp r54733 10branches/ 1014.x/templates/wizard/admin_look_and_feel.tpl 1014.x/templates/wizard/upgrade_new_in_14.tpl 1014.x/templates/wizard/upgrade_new_in_13.tpl 1014.x/lib/wizard/pages/admin_look_and_feel.php
[17:38] Tiki-KGB [FIX]Update the options shown in the configuration and upgrade wizards to match current options in Tiki14 (and remove the former ones shown in what's new in Tiki13) to select theme and options, etc. Thumbnail display of the selected theme in real time has been disabled in the wizard because it was not working at all and I couldn't manage to fix it. Some spaces converted to tabs.
[17:50] Jyhem_laptop weird, svn up should happen at 2:15 on demo.to
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[17:53] jonnyb Jyhem_laptop: seems ok now, you svn up'ed manually?
[17:54] Jyhem_laptop yes :)
[18:06] gezza hi
[18:07] jonnyb hi gezza
[18:08] gezza about "..." icon showing no actions at  http://demo.tiki.org/14x/tiki-view_tracker.php?trackerId=1
[18:08] gezza i had a chat with lindon on how to hide it in case user has no permission to anything there
[18:09] jonnyb yes, those appear in a few places - wiki pages etc too if perms are set that way
[18:09] gezza there was no conclusion :) just mentioning, that it isomething to be resolved
[18:09] jonnyb not easy to prevent
[18:09] gezza seems complicated to check in the tpl for possible permission combinations
[18:10] gezza he suggested something about smarty capture and count the avalable items
[18:10] jonnyb one (horrible) way ot do it is to render the contents in a smarty capture and if it's empty don't do anything - but capture is very poor for performance
[18:10] jonnyb :)
[18:10] gezza yes, he noted the same
[18:10] gezza any ideas?
[18:10] jonnyb the alternative is to check all the same things the menu checks, also horrible and duplicates lots of logic
[18:11] jonnyb wonder if there's a clever css3 way of doing it - like a "no children" selector
[18:11] gezza i was thinking about have a Reload or something that is always visible, but does not feel right
[18:12] gezza like in listings it easy, we can put there "view" action, that should be always available
[18:12] jonnyb on one site i did i used the body.grp_Registered class to hide those for anon
[18:13] jonnyb hmmm, dummy menu item doesn't really help that much, and this is a problem in quite a few places, not just trackers
[18:17] gezza javascript?
[18:17] jonnyb unbelievable - 2 hours for 3 lines of jquery - lovely!
[18:18] jonnyb yes, i was wondering about a js fix - not great but the otehr options are all nesty too
[18:18] jonnyb nasty :)
[18:20] gezza a not-so-dummy option could be to place there navigation button
[18:20] gezza eg in this case a link to trackers
[18:20] jonnyb any French speakers about? What's the French for "toggle" (as in a checkbox)
[18:21] jonnyb but there's no navigation button on wiki page actions
[18:24] gezza link to List wiki pages
[18:24] gezza something relevant for each case
[18:25] jonnyb i thnk a js or css fix would be better and could get all these things at once (probably)
[18:25] jonnyb would be messy to have to fix each one manually
[18:26] gezza fine by me if you can come up with something jquery :)
[18:26] gezza that filtering on the tracker item list looks quite bad
[18:47] jonnyb gezza: does this help?
[18:47] jonnyb http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13861230/hide-content-of-parent-element-without-hiding-children-in-css
[18:49] gezza sounds good, let me try
[18:50] jonnyb the wikiactions one seems to use .open to show the dropdown
[18:51] jonnyb so maybe something like "icons.btn-group" visible hidden and "icons.btn-group a" showing?
[18:51] gezza i just played with it on an android phone and an ipad, seems to be smart, on my laptop, it works with hover, on the smartphone/tablet I have to tap
[18:51] jonnyb yes, i heard that - clever :)
[18:52] gezza what does not work is to have multiple hovers, eg structures and translations
[18:52] jonnyb hmm, the trackers one is a bit different in structure (of course)
[18:52] gezza not multiple, sorry, nested hover
[18:53] jonnyb hmm, not ideal
[18:53] jonnyb probably not recommended design, like having multi-level menus that bootstrap doesn't allow
[18:53] gezza maybe those should have their on icon afterall
[18:53] gezza anyway, let me check first this visibility
[18:54] jonnyb brb
[18:58] jonnyb back, but realised what the time is - gotta go, more tomorrow!
[19:02] gezza just for the record, this seems to work to hide empty ellipsis for wikiactions: .icons.btn-group { visibility: hidden;} .icons.btn-group li { visibility: visible;}
[19:03] gezza but maybe we could introduce a special class for these
[19:03] gezza instead of using .icons.btn-group
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[19:56] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r54734 10(10 files in 7 dirs) * [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/14.x 54727 to 54733
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