WhoWhatWhen chibaguyjoined #tikiwiki [08:17] ........ (idle for 37mn)Telesightjoined #tikiwiki [08:54] ..... (idle for 20mn)Caarriejoined #tikiwiki [09:14] chibaguypolom
chibaguy really likes soma-fm (http://somafm.com/) [09:21] ................ (idle for 1h18mn)gezzajoined #tikiwiki [10:40] ....... (idle for 34mn)Tiki|botRecent Bug: - http://dev.tiki.org/item5677 [11:14] ............... (idle for 1h12mn)Tiki-KGB03chibaguy r55502 10branches/14.x/templates/tiki-admin_newsletters.tpl * [FIX] Fix/improve layout by bootstrapifying. [12:26] ......... (idle for 42mn)Jyhempolom [13:08] .......... (idle for 46mn)Telesightjoined #tikiwiki [13:54] JyhemJyhem eating. Be back in 15 min [14:06] Tiki-KGB03chibaguy r55503 10branches/14.x/templates/tiki-edit_quiz.tpl * [FIX] Fix/improve layout by bootstrapifying. [14:10] .... (idle for 16mn)03chibaguy r55504 10branches/14.x/templates/tiki-list_faqs.tpl * [FIX] Fix/improve layout by bootstrapifying. [14:26] gezzahi jyhem
jonnyb suggested yesterday you might be able help with this composer.tiki.org weirdness: http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2015-05-22,Fri [14:26] jonnybjoined #tikiwiki [14:28] Tiki-KGB03chibaguy r55505 10branches/14.x/templates/tiki-list_faqs.tpl * [FIX] Missed a couple of classes. [14:28] fabriciuspolom [14:28] jonnybmoloq [14:28] fabriciusnice to see you jonnyb, how are you? [14:29] jonnybok thanks, hope u r 2 :) [14:30] Jyhempolom [14:35] jonnybhi Jyhem [14:35] Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: display:none for elements in /tiki-print.php - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=56348 [14:35] Jyhemhi gezza. Hmm, yes, I remember I did that. I wonder how [14:35] nelsonkojoined #tikiwiki [14:35] Tiki-KGB03chibaguy r55506 10branches/14.x/templates/tiki-admin_shoutbox_words.tpl * [FIX] Fix/improve layout by bootstrapifying. [14:36] Jyhemchibaguy really wants to be listed as owning the last commit for Tiki14.0 ;) [14:36] jonnybi think i made some notes even... here: http://dev.tiki.org/composer#To_flush_out_an_incorrect_package_on_composer.tiki.org
but i don't think gezza had the same problem [14:37] JyhemIs anything known about gezza's problem ? [14:39] fabriciuswhat is gezzas problem? [14:39] jonnybyes, a bit - he committed a valid looking change to satis.json, here: http://sourceforge.net/p/tikiwiki/code/55499 [14:40] gezzai think the references to the new packages are ok, how canI double check? [14:40] jonnybbut the package doesn't show up on http://composer.tiki.org [14:40] JyhemBOFH mode ? «Well, we have our solution, let gezza adapt his problem to fit» :-D [14:40] jonnybeven though the last updated timestamp looks like it's just after that commit [14:40] Jyhemjust kidding [14:40] gezza:) [14:41] chibaguyJyhem, I didn't realize owning the last commit was an honor. ;-) [14:42] jonnyblooks like chibaguy is doing a few last minute bootstrap fixes for 14.0 - many more to come? [14:43] chibaguychibaguy just doesn't want the noteriety of committing the last bug.... [14:43] gezzaluciash made an addition in r55259 and that one appears ok [14:43] jonnybha ha (sorry Jyhem, missed your similar comment ;) ) [14:43] chibaguyjonnyb, I can stop any time. I was just going up the default menu sprucing things up. [14:43] nelsonkohello :) [14:44] jonnybno no, don't stop!
polom nelsonko [14:44] chibaguywell, just give the word; these aren't critical upgrades for 14.0.
hi nelsonko [14:45] jonnybso what's the plan - afaict we should be releasing 14.0, 13.2, 12.4 and 9.10 today, sounds right? [14:46] JyhemI suppose the composer thing is thirst ?
s/thirst/first [14:47] jonnybhow about we all meet on bbb in a while?
gezza's tagcanvas thing isn't for 14.0 (is it?)
but first thing to get out of the way do you mean? maybe... [14:47] fabriciushehe jonnyb - adapt the problem to the solution? really a good idea! [14:49] jonnybperhaps just running the cron script again having done the "reset for the satis build script" bit first will do it [14:49] fabriciusnelsonko: by the way: any chances that your new login-forward get's backported to 14 after release? or unlikely? [14:50] Jyhemwell, nothing contains "tag" or "canvas" in the zips in /var/local/composer.tiki.org/www/ [14:50] jonnybjonnyb is sad his avatar has gone from tiki.org again :( [14:51] gezzatagcanvas is for trunk only
so no block for the releases [14:53] Jyhemroot@ks311033:/var/local/composer.tiki.org/bin/satis# mv satis.json.prev satis.json.prev.bak
root@ks311033:/var/local/composer.tiki.org/bin/satis# /etc/cron.hourly/qualityupdate [14:55] jonnybLooking at https://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki/files/Tiki_9.x_Herbig_Haro/ i wonder why 9.9 is getting 11 weekly downloads still, but even odder is that 9.6 gets 35
probably one of these installer things i guess, stuck on 9.6 [14:55] Jyhemsorry, I'm not enthousiastic about leaving this for some "later time"
So… something happened, all messages are nocely green. How can oanyone check that all is fixed ? [14:55] nelsonkofabricius: will consider after. [14:56] fabriciuscool!
Jyhem: mesages went green? [14:57] JyhemI ran the composer update script. All looked nice
I just don't really know what it does :-) [14:57] gezzajust checked composer.tiki.org, no change there [14:58] Jyhemwhat was expected ? [15:00] jonnybwell it says: Last updated: 2015-05-23T14:55:36+0200 but still nothing containing "tag" on the page
yes, sort of expected i'm afraid but worth a go (and all i could think of) [15:01] gezzamaybe they should be added to the "require" section in satis.json? [15:06] Tiki-KGB03chibaguy r55507 10branches/14.x/templates/tiki-shoutbox.tpl * [FIX] Fix/improve layout by bootstrapifying. [15:06] JyhemNo reference to tagcanvas during the script run
but yet it is in the satis:
root@ks311033:/var/local/composer.tiki.org/bin/satis# grep tag satis.json.prev
"name": "jquery/plugins/tagcanvas",
"url": "http://www.goat1000.com/jquery.tagcanvas.js?2.6.1.js", [15:06] gezzai added the "require" info and now they appeared [15:11] Jyhemis it there now ? [15:11] jonnybone small discrepancy i see is the download link on http://www.goat1000.com/tagcanvas.php#links is http://www.goat1000.com/jquery.tagcanvas.js?2.6.1 but the url in satis.json is http://www.goat1000.com/jquery.tagcanvas.js?2.6.1.js
but both seem to work [15:11] gezzayes [15:11] Tiki-KGB03gezzzan r55508 10trunk/doc/devtools/satis.json * [MOD] adding "require" information about new packages [15:12] jonnybdoh! [15:12] gezzaseems like the require info is needed [15:12] JyhemI just escaped the '?' in the local satis.json.prev file [15:12] jonnybyup, of course - it is "required" :) [15:12] gezzasorry, now I know :) [15:13] Jyhemyes, you fixed it, not I
next topic: releases :) [15:14] jonnybi forgot [15:14] Tiki-KGB03chibaguy r55509 10branches/14.x/templates/tiki-edit_perspective.tpl * [FIX] Fix/improve layout by bootstrapifying. [15:26] Jyhemhttps://tiki.org/live ? [15:27] jonnybyup, am there! [15:27] nelsonko: just checking you (or anyone else) don't have anything else for 14.x etc before we start releasing?
http://dev.tiki.org/How+to+release [15:32] Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r55510 10branches/14.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php * [REL] Update version strings [15:40] nelsonkojonnyb: I don't have anything else :) [15:40] Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r55511 04branches/14.x/db/tiki-secdb_14.0_mysql.sql * [REL] Remove previous secdb file [15:42] .... (idle for 16mn)03jyhem r55512 10branches/14.x/README * [REL] Update README file for 14.0
03jyhem r55513 10branches/14.x/lang/ 10(52 files in 52 dirs) * [REL] Update language.php files for 14.0
03jyhem r55514 10branches/14.x/changelog.txt * [REL] Update changelog.txt for 14.0 [15:58] Jyhem>> Copyrights updated: +26 contributor(s), No new commit
6) Update 'changelog.txt' file (using final version number '14.0')?
[Y/n/q/?]
>> There were already some commits for the same final version number in the changelog. Merging them with the new ones.
>> Changelog updated with 298 new commits (revision 55509 to 55020), excluding duplicates, merges and release-related commits.
Probably since the beta [16:03] Tiki-KGB03jyhem r55515 10branches/14.x/copyright.txt * [REL] Update copyright.txt for 14.0 [16:06] fabriciusjoined #tikiwiki [16:06] Jyhem>> Current PHP code successfully passed the syntax check.
>> Current Smarty code successfully passed the syntax check. [16:14] Tiki-KGB03jyhem r55516 03branches/14.x/db/tiki-secdb_14.0_mysql.sql * [REL] SecDB for 14.0
03jyhem r55517 03tags/14.0 * [REL] Tagging release [16:20] Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: display:none for elements in /tiki-print.php - http://suite.tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=56348
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New Forum Posts: Tiki 14 release imminent this Saturday May 23 - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=56346 [16:35] jonnybby Gary :)
just in time... Jyhem has done the 14.0 release - woot! Files are here for testing: https://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki/files/Tiki_14.x_Peony/14.0/ [16:44] nelsonkodownloading bz2 [16:47] jonnybi have the 7zip one, looks ok so far [16:47] gezzachecking the zip [16:50] jonnybthanks gezza and nelsonko
7zip seems ok so far (installing)
seems to work (in Norwegian ;) ) [16:51] nelsonkoI installed bz2 and then executed collaborative community profile. so far so good [16:58] jonnybyup, seems ok for me, next! :)
we're chatting on bbb by the way if you want to come and join us? [16:59] gezzazip installed in hungarian, seems ok [17:00] jonnyb:) [17:00] nelsonkook what's next? [17:03] jonnybtidying up svn stuff
Jyhem is starting on 13.2
and i'm going to have a go at 9.10
14.x merge to trunk will need doing (and there will be conflicts on the version stuff) [17:04] nelsonkoshd i try 12? [17:05] Tiki-KGB03jyhem r55518 10branches/13.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php * [REL] Preparing 13.2 release [17:06] jonnybyes please :)
http://dev.tiki.org/How+to+release#Release_Steps [17:06] Jyhemnelsonko: what do you mean "try 12" ? Release 12 ?
or test 12 ? [17:07] Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r55519 10branches/14.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php * [REL] Finishing off 14.0 release [17:08] nelsonkorelease 12 [17:09] jonnybgo for it :) [17:11] Tiki-KGB03jyhem r55520 04branches/13.x/db/tiki-secdb_13.1_mysql.sql * [REL] Remove previous secdb file [17:12] fabriciusHey guys, crossing fingers! [17:13] jonnybhi fabricius - i don't think anyone's tested the .gz tarball ;) [17:13] Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r55521 10(65 files in 57 dirs) * [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/14.x 55500 to 55519
03nkoth r55522 10branches/12.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php * [REL] Preparing 12.4 release [17:14] fabriciusIs that a hint with the shed door, jonnyb? [17:14] jonnybjust if you're looking for something to do :) [17:14] Tiki-KGB03nkoth r55523 04branches/12.x/db/tiki-secdb_12.3_mysql.sql * [REL] Remove previous secdb file [17:16] fabriciusor better translated a beck with the bam door jonnyb [17:16] jonnyb:D [17:17] fabriciuscould be with a fencepost aswell jonnyb
but in this case it was more a bam door, right jonnyb? [17:17] Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r55524 10branches/9.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php * [REL] Preparing 9.10 release
03jonnybradley r55525 04branches/9.x/db/tiki-secdb_9.9_mysql.sql * [REL] Removing previous secdb file
03jyhem r55526 10branches/13.x/README * [REL] Update README file for 13.2 [17:18] jonnybyup [17:18] fabriciuswhich one or all? [17:18] jonnybjonnyb hopes nelsonko hasn't forgotten to update twversion.class.php :) [17:18] fabriciushehe [17:18] jonnybbarn doors are most popular in English phrases generally [17:18] nelsonkoI did update it, KGB reported above
r55522 [17:19] jonnybsorry, going blind - i looked for it :O [17:19] fabriciusand do you wink or beck or give hints? [17:19] Tiki-KGB03jyhem r55527 10branches/13.x/ 10(52 files in 52 dirs) * [REL] Update language.php files for 13.2
03jyhem r55528 10branches/13.x/changelog.txt * [REL] Update changelog.txt for 13.2
03jyhem r55529 10branches/13.x/copyright.txt * [REL] Update copyright.txt for 13.2
03jonnybradley r55530 10branches/ 109.x/modules/mod-func-wiki_last_comments.php 109.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackerlist.php 109.x/README * [REL] Update README file for 9.10
03jonnybradley r55531 10branches/ 10(49 files in 49 dirs) * [REL] Update language.php files for 9.10
03jonnybradley r55532 10branches/9.x/changelog.txt * [REL] Update changelog.txt for 9.10 [17:20] jonnybnelsonko: did you remember to check for php 5.3 incompatible syntax in 12.x? http://dev.tiki.org/How+to+release#Check_PHP_syntax_is_correct_for_each_branch
i just reaslised i should do that in 9.x too... [17:27] Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r55533 10branches/9.x/copyright.txt * [REL] Update copyright.txt for 9.10 [17:28] jonnyb9.x is fine :) [17:29] nelsonkojonnyb: did you use phpstorm or grep? [17:29] jonnybphpstorm
just about to do 12.x too [17:29] nelsonkook, let me know. I'll run the script after [17:30] jonnyb12.x looks ok for php 5.3 [17:32] nelsonkook thanks [17:32] Tiki-KGB03nkoth r55534 10branches/12.x/README * [REL] Update README file for 12.4 [17:34] arildbjoined #tikiwiki [17:36] Tiki-KGB03nkoth r55535 10branches/12.x/ 10(52 files in 52 dirs) * [REL] Update language.php files for 12.4
03jyhem r55536 03branches/13.x/db/tiki-secdb_13.2_mysql.sql * [REL] SecDB for 13.2
03jyhem r55537 03tags/13.2 * [REL] Tagging release
03nkoth r55538 10branches/12.x/changelog.txt * [REL] Update changelog.txt for 12.4
03jonnybradley r55539 10branches/ 109.x/modules/mod-func-wiki_last_comments.php 109.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackerlist.php
Partial Revert: [REL] Update README file for 9.10 (sorry, local changes committed by mistake)
03nkoth r55540 10branches/12.x/copyright.txt * [REL] Update copyright.txt for 12.4
03jonnybradley r55541 03branches/9.x/db/tiki-secdb_9.10_mysql.sql * [REL] SecDB for 9.10 [17:38] nelsonkojonnyb: 10) Check syntax of all PHP files? do you respond Y ? [17:45] Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r55542 03tags/9.10 * [REL] Tagging release [17:46] jonnybnelsonko: i think both of those only work in 14.x onwards
it failed in 13.x (some wikilingo stuff) and i didn't even bother on 9.x [17:46] nelsonkothat's what I remember. ok I skipped [17:46] jonnybNote for whoever is doing the press release - Tiki 14.0 has had 1029 commits since 13.0 release
(not sure if that counts commits made in trunk before branching)
26 new contributors too :) [17:49] Tiki-KGB03nkoth r55543 03branches/12.x/db/tiki-secdb_12.4_mysql.sql * [REL] SecDB for 12.4
03nkoth r55544 03tags/12.4 * [REL] Tagging release
03jyhem r55545 10branches/13.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php * [REL]Closing release 13.2 [17:50] JyhemHey guys, https://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki/files/Tiki_13.x_Fomalhaut/13.2/ is there ! [17:52] jonnybi'll take 13.2 bz
9.10 is also ready https://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki/files/Tiki_9.x_Herbig_Haro/9.10/ [17:53] tiki-13.2.tar.bz2 just unpacked and upgraded from a 13.1 db fine for me here [17:59] fabriciusjoined #tikiwiki [17:59] jonnybtiki-9.10.tar.gz unpacked ok... [18:00] chibaguytiki-13.2.zip unpacked fine. [18:01] jonnybtiki-9.10 installed and did an upgrade fine too :) [18:03] Tiki-KGB03jyhem r55546 10branches/14.x/doc/devtools/release.php * [ENH] Improve release script (remove notices and give upload tips) [18:04] chibaguytiki-13.2.7z unpacked ok and its contents appear to be identical to the zip archive's. [18:08] jonnybcool, thanks chibaguy [18:09] nelsonkothe 12.4 files are ready too https://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki/files/Tiki_12.x_Altair/12.4/
I will try the tiki-12.4.7z [18:11] jonnybi've got tiki-12.4.tar.bz2 [18:16] JyhemI set tiki-12.4.zip as the default download on sf.net [18:17] chibaguyAll the 12.4 archives unpacked to 17,276 files. [18:19] jonnyb12.4 looks fine here [18:19] nelsonkoI see a PHP Notice (on trying to login) Notice: Undefined index: tags in /Library/WebServer/Documents/tiki-12.4/lib/prefs/trackerfield.php on line 19
might be a preexisting problem... [18:22] jonnybalmost certainly, and just a notice - should be ignorable [18:22] nelsonkoother than that it works fine [18:22] Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r55547 10branches/9.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php * [REL] Closing release 9.10 [18:24] nelsonkostrange I didn't see it in tiki14 [18:25] Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r55548 10branches/14.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php * [REL] Add recent releases to the list
03jonnybradley r55549 10trunk/doc/devtools/release.php 10trunk/lib/setup/twversion.class.php 10trunk * [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/14.x 55519 to 55548 [18:26] nelsonkoanyway does not seem critical to me, I will close the release
now communications time?
update wiki pages etc.... [18:29] Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r55550 10trunk/doc/ 10stable.version 10longterm.cycle 10regular.cycle * [REL] Add new version for the admin panel update notifier(s)
03nkoth r55551 10branches/12.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php * [REL] Closing release 12.4 [18:32] Telesightjoined #tikiwiki [18:34] jonnybCould soneome please sanity check my update to http://dev.tiki.org/Where+to+commit (i usually mess something up on there ;) ) [18:46] Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r55552 10branches/ 1014.x/tiki-adminusers.php 1014.x/templates/tiki-adminusers.tpl
[ENH][FIX] users: Allow user tracker item edit and create on adminusers page (and moved a few things around to be more logical, hopefully) [18:50] 03jonnybradley r55553 10branches/ 1014.x/templates/admin/include_login.tpl 1014.x/tiki-setup_base.php 1014.x/lib/prefs/cookie.php
[FIX][ENH] login: Optionally recreate the rememberme cookie each time you log in so that "remember me for 1 week" means it will remember you from the most recent time you used the site for another week, instead of only remembering you for a week from the first time you logged in, even if you visit again 6 days later. [18:56] nelsonkolunch break - will be back soon [18:58] jonnybok, thanks nelsonko
i'll probably be off for food too soon, more later (or tomorrow) [18:58] nelsonkook [18:59] Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r55554 10(7 files in 5 dirs) * [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/14.x 55548 to 55553 [19:00] .................................... (idle for 2h55mn)Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: display:none for elements in /tiki-print.php - https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=56348
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New Forum Posts: Tiki 14 release imminent this Saturday May 23 - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=56346 [22:05] fabriciusjoined #tikiwiki [22:08] .... (idle for 16mn)rehi
how is everybody? [22:24] .... (idle for 17mn)nelsonkohi fabricius [22:41] fabriciushi nelsonko [22:41] nelsonkoI was just about to update info.tw.o for the new releases [22:42] fabriciusperfect! any questions about include pages? [22:42] nelsonkowhat include pages? [22:43] fabriciusor includes
before the last release we had a few dynamic variables and no access, so I prepared and used some includes to simplyfy and centralize upgrade info
a list of versions for eample with identical parts, but suited to the different language
change info on one page and have updated most of all
not yet perfect, but was starting to be helpful even last time
fabricius is checking
this one: {include page="sys--CurrentTikiVersions" start="!StartCurrentVersions" stop="!StopCurrentVersions"}
nelsonko: you must access via editpage.php, cause it has a redirect to make it invisible itself (systempage)
http://info.tiki.org/tiki-editpage.php?page=sys--CurrentTikiVersions
nelsonko: I just deactivated the redirect
{redirect url="tiki-index.php"} => redirect url="tiki-index.php" [22:43] nelsonkoso.. I edit this page [22:50] fabriciusyes - maybe have a look in view-mode first (as I deactivated the redirect) and see the effect, then edit this page ... it should be quite easy to edit all existing languages
just replace or add the version - you'll see [22:52] nelsonkoI need to change the text first [22:52] fabriciuswiki page text or article? [22:53] nelsonkowiki page text [22:53] fabriciuswhich oage you want to change text on? [22:53] nelsonkohttp://info.tiki.org/tiki-editpage.php?page=sys--CurrentTikiVersions [22:53] fabriciuslooool - I missunderstood you
I had a different impression of "text" - not text in sense of several characters, but text in sense of article content - sort of misstranslation maybe
sure the system page contains text aswell :D [22:54] nelsonko: did you see the "Editors Docs" menu left hand site on the top? => http://info.tiki.org/doc--SystemPages&structure=doc--EditorsDocs [23:06] nelsonkoyes i see it [23:06] fabriciusok
nelsonko: for Tiki 14, we should maybe extend the following schedule a bit: Supported until the release of 15.0 (approximately Mid 2015)
we have nearly mid of 2015 now [23:06] nelsonkoshould be fall 2015
what page is this on? [23:09] fabriciusDownload
http://info.tiki.org/Download [23:10] nelsonkook I think I have finished updateing
Now I need to write a post [23:12] fabriciusok, I check the languages then for words like spring -> fall etc. [23:13] nelsonkook [23:13] fabriciusannoncement? => article => auto display to start page with articles plugin [23:13] nelsonkoI was going to write an article [23:14] fabriciusfine
by the way: I'd need an option to add classes to articles - do you knowif we have something like that?
maybe I can get a small funding for an enhancement or a coder, if we could guide him (new to Tiki) [23:15] nelsonkofabricius: you know a coder that could work on Tiki? [23:18] fabriciusohhhh that would be nice - I know a designer who helps me on two projects and who can do some php and MAYBE would be prepared to do some MINOR enancement on the code
why you ask? just cause we need coders anyway, or cause of your job offer? [23:19] nelsonkothe job offer is mainly for someone local here, but any coders are good to have.
But if your person is just a designer maybe not as suitable (not sure how good his php is)
but he can do themes... [23:20] fabriciusI woulod not count anything - better getting a positive surprise .. he is more into wordpress and stuff and I do either not know how good he codes
I hope to attract him for Tiki ... so we will see how much he get's involved into the projects and if he will start to like Tiki
I want to use isotope or packery for our associations startpage (aswell a test for tiki.org) and display articles and stuff in dynamic tiles instead of rows or static fields
by the way: I have been asked to support a self-help network association with a website - they need a very quick start and then long term support. Not much paid, maybe some symbolic honorarium, BUT the project is connected to the city council and surplus: "accessibility" is a "we should get there really seriously" requirement [23:21] nelsonkoAccessibility is often not a "cheap" business,... [23:28] fabriciusI know
I am reading and testing since a few month
there I could have a contact person, who is working with screen reader, as nearly blind - so real live feed back
aswell there is the self-help network -> more access to collaboration with visually impared people
and I am very convinced, that we could create very accessible websites, if we only would want it - there are a few things to consider with coding - mainly template related [23:28] nelsonkothe popup"s might be a problem
popup overlays, as well as light boxes etc
these are usually the problematic spots (other than the simpler template fixes) [23:32] fabriciusthings like when you go to an ellipsis with a screen reader and you are told: "link element with 5 subelements" - even if you had access, it is odd to need to open everyzhing to get a picture what is inside
we need mostly some more smart and respectful templating, alike code documentation - it is a similar level [23:32] nelsonko"link element with 5 subelements"is not bad actually, I was told by someone blind people prefer that than having all 5 elements read out all the time
We also need a way for someone using a screenreader to jump direct to the main content [23:34] fabriciusyes, but why not "link element 'options for wikipage' with 5 subelements" or "link element 'edit trackeritem' with 3 subelements"?
just a little thing to think about [23:35] nelsonkoright [23:35] Tiki|botInfo: Release of Tiki 14 and new minor releases of all supported Tiki versions - http://info.tiki.org/article234-Release-of-Tiki-14-and-new-minor-releases-of-all-supported-Tiki-versions [23:36] fabriciuswe need a (better?) way that Tiki realises, if JS is active on pageload (NOT with cookies if possible)
something alike >
something alike <noscript> , but opposit
when I go to a tiki website with a shell - browser like LYNX, I see what immense number of stuff is loaded, which a blind person, a screen reader or a non-js textbrowser (ex: braille) never needs
all the ajax divs and stuff - should not litter the textbrowsers content - the user should not need to jump across 57 links and divs, until he/she access a first menu
and it would be good as an option to have a simple pagemap menu at the start of the page, but only for noscript or only for text-only and screen reader or so
like for "us" the page starts to load all the javascript and ajax and all [23:36] Tiki-KGB03jyhem r55555 10branches/14.x/lib/prefs/trackerfield.php * [FIX] Fix notice [23:42] fabriciusbut a visually impared person could get a sitemap (or a subset of one) to get a quick picture about where to go - and maybe direct links as shortcuts, to not need to jump through numbers of unneeded links one by one
like:
main site menu
menu of this section (ex.submenu)
read content
edit options
side menus and modules
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