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[09:39] amette polom
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[12:16] jonnyb polom for the weekend
[12:23] jonnyb still no sf.net... (other open source repositories seems fine though ;) )
[12:56] Jyhem Hi jonnyb
[12:56] Jyhem Confirmed: http://sourceforge.net/error-404.html
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[12:58] jonnyb pompom, yes - been a long outage (let's hope they have a backup ;) )
[12:58] jonnyb hi chibaguy
[12:58] chibaguy hi jonnyb
[12:59] chibaguy talking about sourceforge?
[13:02] Jyhem yes
[13:03] Jyhem well, *we* have backups :)
[13:04] Jyhem I hoped to try and figure out how to be productive with the new svn version, but that's not urgent, I also have local d3.js stuff :-(
[13:05] Jyhem It just occured to me that “increasingly unreliable” might be more politically correct than “turning evil” ? ^^
[13:15] chibaguy What do you think of sf/svn-alternatives, like git? This comes up from time to time.
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[13:35] jonnyb hi fabricius
[13:36] jonnyb chibaguy: yes, we had a good discussion about moving to git(hub) at the fest, and even started a page on dev https://dev.tiki.org/What+ToDo+When+Migrating+To+Git
[13:36] jonnyb amette was very keen :)
[13:37] fabricius polom
[13:37] fabricius hi jonnyb
[13:38] chibaguy So the page says "when", not "if". ;-)
[13:39] chibaguy I agree that it's the trend these days.
[13:40] jonnyb Not sure it was quite so completely decided really, needs more input than just the few of us there in Luci's lovely courtyard ;)
[13:41] jonnyb and either way stabilising and releasing 15 come first, for sure, but i have to agree now using svn and sf.net makes us look rather unnappealing
[13:42] chibaguy A few years ago I would have resisted, because git support was weak on hosted domains, etc., but now I think it's pretty available.
[13:44] jonnyb likewise - it all seemed rather daunting a few years back, good gui tools (as seen in phpstorm) have helped a lot, and it's so much quicker for just about everything
[13:45] chibaguy my brain is gradually absorbing awareness of how to use it ;-)
[13:46] jonnyb i still get lost though - just did in the elFinder fork i'm supposed to be "managing" for tiki :)
[13:47] jonnyb apparently i need to get them to do a pull from my changes - that's a bit i still haven't got my head around properly
[13:56] chibaguy I came across a diagram that'll help you out on that ;-) : http://tartley.com/?p=1267
[13:58] * jonnyb looks at the spatial things...
[14:00] jonnyb hmmmm... "it’s simplest to think of the state of your repository as a point in a high-dimensional ‘code-space’, in which branches are represented as n-dimensional membranes, mapping the spatial loci of successive commits onto the projected manifold of each cloned repository"
[14:00] chibaguy don't look too hard. It's a joke.
[14:01] jonnyb i was wondering ;)
[14:01] chibaguy yeah, I thought it was for real at first, I guess most people do.
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[16:59] arildb I am unable to update from SVN "target machine is actively refusing it". Does anybody else get this?
[17:06] Jyhem Yes arildb :-(
[17:06] Jyhem could not connect to server (https://svn.code.sf.net)
[17:07] Jyhem Confirmed: http://sourceforge.net/error-404.html
[17:07] arildb Jyhem: Thanks for the confirmation. Will just wait a little, I guess
[17:07] Jyhem Well, it's been like this for about 24h now :-(
[17:07] arildb oh
[17:08] arildb Nothing urgen on my side. Just thought I should get the latest status
[17:09] Jyhem Apparently, we were prescient: https://dev.tiki.org/What+ToDo+When+Migrating+To+Git ^^
[17:10] arildb Tiki migrating to Git...that's news. I like SVN. I thought Git was a bit of a pain to use last time I tried (which is well over a year ago)
[17:11] Jyhem Nothing started yet, but…
[17:12] Jyhem I also liked svn until the new svn which totally breaks my currnt routine.
[17:12] Jyhem I actually thought I'd look it up today to figure it out, but…
[17:13] arildb ok. When I actually can connect, I find SVN very good. No problems on my side.
[17:13] Jyhem and in open-source circles, sf.net really has an image issue, on the ethics side
[17:14] arildb I am not aware of that
[17:15] Jyhem so if they *also* lose it on the technical side :-(
[17:15] arildb yes, it must work
[17:16] Jyhem They encourage adware bundling together with free software installers, they take over "inactive" projects (and do the adware bundling in installer thing).
[17:17] Jyhem They also let very deceiving "download me" ads on pages with less prominent actual download links (I've been bitten by this one once)
[17:18] arildb right. I agree. Not good
[17:18] arildb btw. I have been having lots of issues with minify late javascript. The latest is that  custom language files are "lost", if the feature is activated. I have encountered more. It functions so pooorly, that I would almost suggest marking the feature as experimental.
[17:18] arildb using Tiki 12
[17:18] Jyhem Soo, I stopped fighting the move to github some time ago.
[17:19] arildb I understand the move to git more now
[17:20] Jyhem Well, nobody really volunteered to actually take the (huge) job, but there is a trend and the trend meets less and less resistance
[17:20] Jyhem I don't know about the  minify late javascript issue
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[18:20] gezza polom
[18:21] jonnyb hi gezza
[18:22] gezza hi jonnyb
[18:23] gezza think you will have time to move the nice tikisites tracker?
[19:33] jonnyb hi gezza - sorry, very long meeting
[19:34] jonnyb will try and do the tracker move tomorrow
[19:39] gezza ok, see you
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