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[10:53] pbiendl Hi there!
[10:56] pbiendl I have one question: We want to use LDAP Authentication in our Tiki, but our Sys-Admin needs to know first: Is Tiki altering the LDAP in any way? Does it change Users/Roles/Groups or such things? We want a Read-only integration of Tiki!
[11:08] amette Hi pbiendl - that is configurable in Tiki and by default it does not change anything.
[11:09] amette There are options like "Create user/group in directory, if it does not exist", that's all iirc.
[11:10] pbiendl Ah ok, just wanted to mention that option :) So this is the only thing that needs to stay deactivated?
[11:10] pbiendl In LDAP external Groups there is some sort "Sync Tiki Groups with a directory", is this read-only too?
[11:11] amette Yes, I think so, but haven't used that one yet.
[11:12] pbiendl What we want to do is: Use the LDAP Groups inside the Tiki (and of course the Users) and set the Permission on the LDAP Groups (but only the imported LDAP Groups). It's important that Tiki doesnt alter our LDAP in any way
[11:12] pbiendl With Permission i mean the ACL of Tiki
[11:12] amette Then you should test it first on a dev-copy of your LDAP.
[11:13] pbiendl Sadly that's not so easy in our Network :-/
[11:13] pbiendl thx for you help btw :)
[11:13] amette yw
[11:15] amette I heard some rumours about the LDAP sync being currently broken, i.e. not working, I don't mean messing up LDAPs...
[11:15] pbiendl I wanted to ask that question in the forums too, but due to the anti-spam-system i need to wait for a admin approval :D
[11:15] amette ... I am not fully informed on that though... maybe jonnyb can give you more information, when he arrives.
[11:16] pbiendl Oh ok, this would be great :)
[11:16] amette Ah, yeah... we've become quite popular in recent years and spam is a real problem... be patient, it'll be approved soon.
[11:16] pbiendl With LDAP Sync you mean just the Group Sync or also the User Sync?
[11:17] pbiendl I know the problem with Spambots... i'm a developer by myself, so i understand this step :)
[11:17] amette The Group Sync as far as I heard, logging in users works nicely afaik.
[11:19] pbiendl Just to clarify (just in case i got something wrong): The "LDAP" Tab is for User-Authentication only and the "LDAP External Groups" is for the LDAP Groups, right? If yes, is there a reason to seperate these two? Whats the disadvantage if i only use the User Authentication without groups?
[11:21] pbiendl I mean, i don't want to use LDAP External Goups if i don't have to :-) The only thing i want is that our Users are able to log in with their LDAP Account... (and of course i need to specify what they're allowed to access)
[11:22] amette Yes, that's right. There's not really a disadvantage... you don't get LDAP Groups synchronized to Tiki. The seperation into two tabs was a developers choice back then, dunno, maybe it felt more sensible to her to seperate it because the group code was added later on.
[11:23] amette If you only need to log in users with their LDAP credentials, then just forget about the group sync. The normal LDAP login works perfectly and you can add users to groups that are stored and managed inside Tiki in the classic way.
[11:23] pbiendl Ok :) But if the Groups arent synced to Tiki, i have to add new LDAP Users manually to my Tiki Groups, right?
[11:23] amette right
[11:24] pbiendl Ok perfect :) Currently we are a small agency (about 10 people), should be a possible thing to do to add these to the Tiki Groups :D
[11:25] amette Yeah, that's not too cumbersome. Most important is to allow people to use their usual password.
[11:26] pbiendl Is there a specific option for that?
[11:27] amette Huh? No, I meant: you want to connect people to LDAP, so that they can use the same password as with every other service that is conected to LDAP.
[11:27] pbiendl Oh ok, now i know what you mean :)
[11:27] pbiendl Yes this is the goal
[11:27] amette right :)
[11:28] pbiendl One last question: Is there a way to change the default Group in which new Users will be stored in?
[11:29] pbiendl By default it's the "Registered" Group, but i made a new Group
[11:29] pbiendl But if thats not working, i copy the Rights over to the Registered Group
[11:29] amette Why don't you like "Registered"?
[11:29] amette Yes, I think that would be the easiest way.
[11:30] pbiendl Don't know, maybe i dont want to change the default Group-Set, so if something went wrong, i still can look into the registered Group to see whats default :)
[11:30] amette Maybe there is a way to configure that, not sure right now... but Registered tells quite exactly what they are (logged in) and all the other groups then stack on top of that.
[11:31] amette Ah, ok, that's good thinking.
[11:31] pbiendl But that's not really a Problem.. i just make a Backup or Screenshots and then alter the Registered Group
[11:32] pbiendl Thank you for all your help! :)
[11:35] amette You're welcome! Let us know how it goes. :)
[11:46] pbiendl Sure :)
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[15:24] msaad how can I retrieve my credentials in  https://dev.tiki.org/Development ? There is no register nor lost your password anywhere to be found..
[15:27] msaad Oh, sweet. When I clicked at a random page that needed to be logged in, it showed me a note that I should register at tiki.org.
[15:27] * msaad sight
[16:12] fabricius polom
[16:12] fabricius hello msaad - still there?
[16:12] fabricius here?
[16:12] msaad fabricius: yes :)
[16:12] fabricius which credentials of dev.tiki.org do you mean?
[16:13] msaad I've figured it out. I'm creating a new wiki page and couldn't get a recover pw or register in dev.tiki.org
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[16:13] msaad I had to go to tiki.org and do it there.
[16:13] msaad But I only got to know that after a good 10 minutes fiddling around :/
[16:14] fabricius yes, that is true - registrati on and usermanagement is centralized on tiki.org - the other community sites are Intertiki slaves/clients of the tiki.org master
[16:15] msaad Do we hope for new contributors to know that off hand?
[16:16] fabricius how you have been to the idea that you could get credentials or update your credentials on dev.tiki.org - I mean there must be a misscommunication that we should fix and mention stuff like that on appropriate places
[16:16] msaad At least we could put a register / recover pw on the login box redirecting to there
[16:17] msaad So what happened was, I went straight to dev.tiki.org and tried to login. Couldn't figure out my credentials (was already registered). The login box didn't have an option to recover nor to register.
[16:17] fabricius Maybe an idea to have an optional field or note in the register module / login box to mentione the slave mode and give a link to the master
[16:17] msaad So I tried to view something that needed to be logged in, and from there I had a note telling me that I needed to be logged in and that it should be done at tiki.org
[16:18] fabricius I understand
[16:18] msaad yeah, just linking to it should be fine :)
[16:19] fabricius would you maybe make a wish in the wishlist, please?
[16:19] msaad I'll get to the code itself when I finish this page :D
[16:19] msaad Will be a good first bug for me.
[16:19] fabricius nice
[16:20] fabricius there should be a preference added in admin?page=login for that
[16:21] fabricius maybe a simple textfield that can be optionally added to the loginbox.
[16:22] msaad Yeah, a pref that includes an <a href> on the login box.
[16:22] msaad how does that sounds?
[16:23] fabricius maybe a simple textfield which can include WikiSyntax might be enough (could be used for whatever else if needed)
[16:23] fabricius or a text and a link
[16:23] fabricius mind the css
[16:24] fabricius an appropriate Bootstrap class and maybe an Id
[16:24] msaad Right, I'll get back to you when I'm done with this page so we can align on how to do it :)
[16:24] fabricius and not to forget the {tr} ... {/tr} tags to make the text translatable
[16:25] fabricius and mind the still effective downtime of sourceforge - svn seems still not to work for most projects including Tiki
[16:25] fabricius https://info.tiki.org/article235-SourceForge-net-downtime-What-it-means-and-what-happened
[16:26] msaad ouch!
[16:29] fabricius anyway you could/should try locally first
[16:30] fabricius and please msaad contact jonnyb first wether you commit to 14 and merge to 15 (=trunk)  or commit to 15 and merge to 14 or commint to 15 only.
[16:30] fabricius /s/commint/commit
[16:30] msaad sure thing, I'll ask around a lot :P
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[16:38] fabricius working again .. off screen .. bbl
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[17:26] msaad I've been creating a new landing page for dev.tiki.org. Feedback on https://dev.tiki.org/newHome is appreciated.
[17:27] msaad nelsonko: ^
[17:29] nelsonko msaad: rather than use the HTML plugin which requires validation approval, how about the DIV plugin and wiki syntax?
[17:30] msaad I'm not sure what is the DIV plugin, but about wiki syntax it's hard to position items on specific places, or to have responsive font sizes without using em
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[17:53] fabricius hi msaad
[17:53] fabricius checking the plugins
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[18:13] jonnyb polom (at last)
[18:15] jonnyb reading the log - hi fabricius and msaad
[18:15] msaad hi :)
[18:15] jonnyb good point about the reset password only being on tiki.org - we could add a module or something on the others
[18:15] fabricius hi jonnyb
[18:16] msaad jonnyb: exactly that :)
[18:16] fabricius msaad: please check https://dev.tiki.org/newHome and compare first section version with WikiSyntax and version with HTML
[18:16] msaad fabricius: will do!
[18:17] jonnyb it was the page change notifications on that which prompted me to log in (and thank fabricius for wikifying it, that's just what i was thinking!)
[18:18] msaad Well.. I ge that.. but then it's one more thing to learn and slow down the process..
[18:18] fabricius np jonnyb - just the first section to show msaad how to do the rest ;-)
[18:21] jonnyb hmm, the wrong login error on dev isn't very nice is it...
[18:22] msaad not at all :(
[18:33] jonnyb so i tihnk the best things for the "i forgot" login issue on dev etc would be to make the login module clever enough to have the right link (e.g. to https://tiki.org/tiki-remind_password.php)
[18:34] msaad when using the WikiSyntax, how can I deal with urls that aren't from dev.tiki.org?
[18:34] msaad it's not recognizing many of them..
[18:35] gezza hi msaad
[18:36] jonnyb use [http://example.com|link label] for external links
[18:36] gezza you can use this syntax: [https://tiki.org/tiki-newsletters.php?nlId=6&info=1|Sign up now]
[18:36] jonnyb hi gezza
[18:36] gezza hi jonnyb
[18:37] jonnyb you can use the toolbar button (next to the one for wiki page links)
[18:38] msaad ok.. thanks..
[18:46] msaad Right, moved it to WikiSyntax. What are your thoughts on the content so far jonnyb, gezza, fabricius, nelsonko (and all) ? Do you like how it's flowing, should I keep the informal tone, etc
[18:47] msaad My idea is to make it easier for newcomers to have access to must read articles / key information at this first page.
[18:47] msaad I don't want to pollute with information, but at the same time I'll be linking them to different articles as they see fit.
[18:48] nelsonko +1 to informal tone
[18:48] fabricius msaad: for cross tiki community site links you might want to use this syntax: ((doc:Documentation)) to link from dev and other communty sites to page "Documentation" on community site doc.tiki.org
[18:49] jonnyb hi nelsonko
[18:49] fabricius informal tone seems good to me from devs to devs ( +1 )
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[18:49] fabricius hin nelsonko
[18:50] msaad fabricius: anything wrong about using [ link | text ] syntax instead?
[18:50] fabricius but please wikify instead of htmling msaad
[18:50] jonnyb +0 for the informal tone i'm afraid - not my cup of tea ;)
[18:50] msaad fabricius: it should be already.
[18:50] gezza i am experimenting with landing pages here: https://tiki.org/HomePage and here: https://tiki.org/Download
[18:50] msaad (I left something behind, removing it).
[18:51] gezza maybe we can try to have somecommon patterns
[18:51] gezza visually
[18:51] jonnyb also the random capitalisation and exclamation marks are a bit... odd (but don't mind me, i'll shut up ;) )
[18:52] nelsonko hi all. btw info.tiki.org articles import works locally, waiting for svn to come back alive before it can work (needed a fix)
[18:52] fabricius +1 for some common patterns
[18:52] gezza nelsonko great, i would need those articles to finalize the homepage "mockup"
[18:52] msaad jonnyb: feedback is welcomed :)
[18:53] msaad About visual patterns, I'm trying to achieve a nested structure. Am I not achieving it somehow?
[18:54] fabricius msaad - already an improvement. "problem" in the wiki way: once you start improving, likely more people will appear trying to improve even more ;-)
[18:56] gezza msaad - the content is looking better, i meant the positing and styling of information
[18:56] msaad fabricius: I'm happy with that !
[18:56] fabricius next msaad: we started with a new tiki.org landing page replacing the odd redirect to info.tiki.org, which eventually will be mirated to tiki.org - and thus the work with the main pages will eventually influence the other commuity sites aswell
[18:57] msaad good to hear that fabricius.
[18:57] msaad gezza: So, something about the positioning and styling isn't good? Please let me know!
[18:58] gezza although i would not put stress on "I Don’t Know What to Do", maybe better to have something more encouraging, like "Here is what you can do!"
[18:58] fabricius see here what we are working on: https://tiki.org/HomePage
[18:58] gezza or something similar
[18:58] gezza just brainstorming here :)
[18:58] fabricius +1 for encouraging style like "Here is what you can do!"
[19:03] msaad changed it to "Contribution Pathways"
[19:03] jonnyb the PHP bit is a bit imncomplete - tiki's written in PHP, Smarty and JavaScript (and a hint of XML) - but maybe that confuses things...
[19:04] jonnyb but it is "mostly" php (55% according to https://www.openhub.net/p/tikiwiki)
[19:04] msaad jonnyb: indeed it does. PHP is the bare minimum to get started.
[19:04] gezza msaad I'am glad you started this! join us tomorrow for the roundtable so we can share ideas
[19:05] msaad Sure.. I'll be there
[19:06] jonnyb fabricius: i think we should help gezza with converting https://tiki.org/HomePage to wiki too :)
[19:06] fabricius just looked over the code and thought to mention that here
[19:06] gezza yes, help me! :)
[19:06] fabricius about 1 minute ago
[19:06] fabricius hmmm
[19:06] fabricius using together.js
[19:06] gezza i could not sort out things the way I wanted using wiki syntax
[19:07] fabricius buuut is that fix already upgraded?
[19:07] jonnyb which fix fabricius ?
[19:07] fabricius the together fix from Jonny for edit mode?
[19:08] jonnyb yes, that's on tiki.org
[19:08] fabricius cool
[19:08] fabricius so: https://tiki.org/tiki-editpage.php?page=HomePage#&togetherjs=djH4pRIIT4
[19:12] fabricius gezza where are you? we are helping you
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[19:41] fabricius hi chibaguy
[19:41] chibaguy hi fabricius
[19:43] chibaguy Are you guys working on the new homepage?
[19:44] fabricius did
[19:44] chibaguy Just a note about using Bootstrap divs in the wiki area: there shouldn't be any "container" classes there.
[19:44] fabricius have been a few minutes
[19:45] fabricius ah, haven't seen => must say gezza
[19:45] chibaguy container classes are already specified in the tpl. The hierarchy is container > row > grid class.
[19:45] chibaguy I sent gezza an email. Maybe he didn't get it.
[19:46] fabricius thx
[19:46] fabricius rows in the page, container in the tpl
[19:46] chibaguy Well, if grid classes are used in the wiki area, they should be in a row div.
[19:47] fabricius yes
[19:47] fabricius row surrounds any 12grid ?
[19:47] chibaguy And container divs have a width set as they are the content ... containers.
[19:47] chibaguy yeah.
[19:48] gezza ttthey dont necessarly ned a row, you can put a clearfix too
[19:48] chibaguy Well, surrounds any if you want to have a nice grid in the text.
[19:48] gezza rows are used only in the base layouts
[19:48] gezza not int he pages
[19:48] chibaguy mmm, not necessarily.
[19:48] gezza asfaik
[19:49] chibaguy gezza, did you get an email I sent a few days ago? It had a good reference in a link..
[19:49] gezza http://getbootstrap.com/components/#jumbotron
[19:49] gezza this needs a container
[19:50] chibaguy nope.
[19:50] gezza chibaguy i did not get email, when did you send?
[19:50] gezza "To make the jumbotron full width, and without rounded corners, place it outside all .containers and instead add a .container within"
[19:50] chibaguy is your email at yahoo?
[19:51] chibaguy right, that's full width of the viewport.
[19:51] chibaguy And not inside other column divs, etc.
[19:51] gezza i was trying to get a real full width
[19:51] chibaguy I see.
[19:51] chibaguy Sorry then.
[19:52] gezza but there is aproblem with perspectives, the option to swithc off ffixed width does not show up in the list of preferences
[19:52] chibaguy But I believe I noticed other container divs in the page.
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[19:53] gezza would like to achieve full width for backgrounds like here for example: https://www.atlassian.com/
[19:54] gezza i cant get it done, so any help appreciated :)
[19:54] chibaguy Is your email at yahoo ?
[19:54] gezza can you join tomorrow for the webinar?
[19:54] gezza yes, it is at yahoo
[19:54] chibaguy ok, I'll try sending it again. Yes, I'll be at the webinar/roundtable.
[19:54] gezza i got emails from you before, so itis strange
[19:57] chibaguy I sent it again, so maybe this time is ok.
[19:57] fabricius gezza, I guess I broke the HomePage
[19:58] chibaguy I think content should be worked out first, without thinking about layout. Anyway, that's the approach I like. I prefer a kind of outline or text-only page. Then apply a layout to that. No need to spend time on layout before the content is pretty solid IMO.
[19:59] chibaguy And what is the purpose of the layout? What is the flow through the page, that the viewer is expected to follow? The path, with main points, etc.?
[20:00] chibaguy This is one way to make a page coherently without dozens of edits to refine content and layout twisted together.
[20:01] chibaguy Anyway, see you tomorrow.
[20:02] chibaguy fabricius, the solution there is to rollback, isn't it?
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[20:03] fabricius no ... tried ... it seems that someone (luci?) just activated the autotoc ... set off for the page now and sorted
[20:03] gezza seems ok to me
[20:04] gezza what did you break?
[20:06] gezza chibaguy did not get your email
[20:07] gezza i just dropped you one
[20:07] chibaguy ok, thanks.
[20:08] gezza about the homepage: well, there needs to be something that can be discussed
[20:09] chibaguy I sent again, but I think it's the same address. Here's the link that I mentioned in the email:  http://www.helloerik.com/the-subtle-magic-behind-why-the-bootstrap-3-grid-works
[20:09] gezza than we make it better incrementally
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[20:10] gezza i dont mind if it looks completely different in the end
[20:10] chibaguy True, it's a wiki so can be edited freely. But I prefer to discuss something that's text since the layout can be a distraction from text ideas. But just my opinion. Anyway it's late here so I'll be back online tomorrow.
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[20:23] fabricius gezza: I did NOT break, sorry for false alarm - someone activated autotoc as default, which then has been shown above the big logo including the links to the featured sites. did need a few minutes to figure that out and switched off the autotoc for the page
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