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hi fabricius [20:05] fabriciuswolod
hi gezza
got message?
twitter good [20:10] gezzajust got your tweet [20:10] fabriciuswas message
:D [20:10] gezzahow did you delete untranslated strings? [20:10] fabriciusI did not delete in HU or CZ - only made new translations with previously 0%
and I did not delete untranslated strings
with transifex you must distinguish between files for translation and files for use
files for use contain english-english for non-translated
files for translation contain english-empty for non-translated [20:11] gezzahow do you distiungish? [20:13] fabriciusif you use the original files from the latest trunk, you have a file for use - so english-english, which are mostly commented with double slash at start of the line
so when I start a new language to first import into transifex, I open lang/XY/language.php [20:13] gezzaaha, i only imported the english [20:15] fabriciusthen I copy the part between
$lang = array(
and
);
then I take this into Calc (OOo) and sort for //
then I delete all lines with // [20:15] gezzaso you deleted from the file all those lines before importing [20:16] fabriciusyes!
download the language.php from transifex in the "for translaton" version [20:16] gezzai think it is ok to import as it is, all strings are unreviewed anyway
so you must go thourght them [20:16] fabricius(directly opening in the editor) [20:17] gezzaaltough the statistics is not right, that is true [20:17] fabriciusdelete everything between $lang = array( and );
and paste the result from Calc
Then I have a clean file in transifex with only translated strings english-translated + english-empty and the percentage is matching the reality
if I do not do this way, but instead would just paste the original "for use" version (without deleting // lines) I'd have 99% for German, French, Italian, etc., but most of the strings in fact translated english-english, what we do not want
I made the fault first and just wondered why we have IT, FR and DE all 99%
So I looked into it and figered the above out
If you download HU and CZ "for translatione" you will see !
you will have nearly no english-empty but a lot of english-english besides a few english hungarian or english-czech [20:17] gezzamakes me wonder about the workflow, when new strings are added in Tiki, a script is running and they are populated into all languages files, right? [20:21] fabriciusbut you need none english-english but a lot of english-empty to get the percentage right - you are tricking transifex [20:22] gezzaso lets say we switch to transifex, than this script needs to update only the english languages, which then gets updated automatically in transifex
i think i need to wrtie this down on a wikipage [20:22] fabriciusI think, all files are compared to the base file which is English-English in our case (the top in the list with logically 100%
would be great if you write it down
just at the very first openingof a new language - if we have an existing non-empty file in our Tiki code - we have to do the sort and delete with Calc or Excel
I'll do that with japanes and korean later aswell - it is just sort, delete, use the rest. no need to understand the language itself, once the encoding (unicode) is alright
gezza next thing:
we should take care to use the right (in Tiki commonly used) languages first
example: German we use (and translated so far) mainly German de, Not German (Germany) de_DE
same with French
in the German Language Tiki User Group there is nobody translating or caring about country specific German variations, so we should use the general version and only this one in Transifex
same for French and others
Hungarian (Hungary) you know better ... are there different variations used and which one is generally used in other software or in Tiki? [20:23] gezzathere is just one hungarian used
i was also wondering about whteher to use "hu" or "hu_HU" [20:31] fabriciusso why you use country specific Hungarian in Transifex instead of general Hungarian like in Tiki? [20:31] gezzamaybe it woould be better to use "hu" [20:31] fabriciusyes, I think so
but your language, you must know ;-) [20:32] gezzathe workflow needs some thinking
how do new strings get into transifex?
and how do the translations go back into svn
i think there is no way to edit the translations files directly and commit, all must go through transifex [20:32] fabriciusmaybe you restart - create hu and use the existing hu from trunk => then filter and delete * // english-english * and then put the result into Transifex
I think the workflow to SVN or maybe in future GIT is not the major thing, as with Transifex a larger number of people has access to the translated files - could become a subresponsibility of a then larger release team
I do not see a problem to download and commit a language once it got added another 10%
the problem would be how to merge, in case People would commit to SVN aswell
but I can imagine, that Transifex could handle doubling of lines
then I'd need only a local shell script to delete all lines starting with // and batch rename them to the Transifex naming
upload there
download for "use variations" and recommit
OK ... the more often and the more languages, the more we'd need kind of an API to handle automatisation [20:33] gezzaor we remove all the other translations from the codebase and keep it transifex
and deploy them only at release time
so there is no chance for a conflict
i think wee need to use the demo infrastructure for various releases [20:39] fabriciusahhaaaha no, many of us run sites directly from the versioning system - no point to not having the lang files there
svn (or maybe future git) must be complete [20:40] gezzahmm [20:41] fabriciusBUT - maybe having something like automattical vendor download with composer for lang files !? [20:41] gezzaneeds some thinking :) [20:42] fabriciusso not actually having them in SVN, but getting them after svn up when you run the composer [20:42] gezzahow do you like transifex interface? [20:42] fabriciusit has advantages, but maybe not replacing Tikis online translation [20:42] gezzamy problem with online translation tool is that you only see visible things, you dont see error messages [20:43] fabriciusmaybe Tikis online translation could be helpful together with Transifex, when a nice coordianated workflow is in place
I am thinking about some combination [20:44] gezzadid you see this? https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/tiki-12x-romanian-translation/ [20:44] fabriciusright now there is no easy way to figure out where online translated strings (with Tiki own tool) go to
Yes gezza, I did see this, I know the guy (did chat with him frequently) and did import to the dev version [20:44] gezzanice [20:45] fabriciusI will invite him and thank him for his approach [20:45] Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: Food for thought - https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=56683
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autocommitted to the Tiki's versioning system
loooool
changing Tiki's feature's names to comply with a companies individual setup
that is funny
they just need to label their menu items and use mainly wikipages instead of admin views of galleries and trackers
I'll answer him
they should get a consultant
instead of "contributing" a change of naming "file galleries" to "form", just because they store downloadable forms in the file galleries [20:49] gezzai see a problem with the need to review [20:53] fabricius* FUNNY * [20:53] gezzafunny, but it is a real life request :)
i got similiar before from one client
had to change the translation :)
just for him [20:53] fabriciusyou can even change the translation English-English
but the approach is not right
not in this case [20:54] gezzaok, I go now and upload the REAL hungarian translation status :) [20:55] fabriciuswhat if you start to store not only forms, but aswell images
find images in the feature "forms" ?
oh I'll write him that ...
good luck with redoing your hungarian translation which will then leave only CZ near 100%
we need to inform Luci before he starts over to translate strings (which then caused a lot of extra work for him) [20:55] Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: Food for thought - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=56683
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