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One thing I read was that the commented out lines are due to the php closing tag being missing. Is that still true? [11:43] gezza no, that was dropped, transifex agreed with your arguements :) [11:43] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Custom CSS rule at tiki.org causing problems - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=56749 [11:43] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Page Templates - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=56743 [11:43] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: TikiWiki Forum with mailing list stripping first line - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=56742 [11:44] chibaguy Can the translation resource be refreshed at transifex? [11:44] gezza it is because the original lang/en/language.php file has all line commented out [11:45] chibaguy I see. [11:45] chibaguy What's the solution then? [11:45] gezza yes, we can upload new version (even automatically update from svn) [11:47] chibaguy But the English lang file always has all or mostly all lines commented out. Does transifex ignore these comment-out characters? [11:50] chibaguy Ah, but the English lang file shouldn't be involved (my mistake). It isn't being translated. [11:52] chibaguy We just need to be sure transifex doesn't comment out lines that aren't already commented out, in other language files. [11:53] chibaguy I don't know how the tiki project is configured at transifex, but it seems the English file shouldn't be involved. [11:57] chibaguy ...unless transifex can recognize that the English file is "special" due to its commented-out strings. [11:58] * chibaguy wonders how the strings resource file is formatted, of other projects. [12:01] gezza joined #tikiwiki [12:03] gezza I think as the english language file is the resource (the base file) and the lines are there commented out that is why they are written back that way into the translations [12:04] gezza as far as i understand, transifex you need to define a resource and you translate it to other languages [12:05] chibaguy Yes, that sounds right, gezza. Looking at http://docs.transifex.com/formats/php/, I see a file like ours except lines aren't commented out. [12:07] chibaguy So does an lang/en/language.php file without "//" on each string need to be made, to be the resource file, I wonder? [12:07] gezza yes, that is what i am thinking too [12:08] gezza I create a new project with such a file and we can test [12:09] MagicFab joined #tikiwiki [12:09] chibaguy Ok. And if that works, then we need a mechanism to produce such a file regularly, as the strings are updated. 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I added ja language target to test with, too.. [13:11] chibaguy Hmm, 0% strings translated. [13:11] chibaguy I guess it has no knowledge of the existing ja file. [13:12] gezza did you upload the "ja" file? [13:12] chibaguy nope [13:13] gezza you create the language, than click on it and upload the existing translations [13:13] chibaguy I see. [13:13] gezza it think does not automatically syncronize between project [13:13] gezza just offers suggestions [13:16] chibaguy Uploading the file seems to take a while. [13:17] chibaguy Hm, just connecting took a while. 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[13:33] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Custom CSS rule at tiki.org causing problems - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=56749 [13:33] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Page Templates - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=56743 [13:33] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: TikiWiki Forum with mailing list stripping first line - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=56742 [13:34] gezza_ joined #tikiwiki [13:34] chibaguy ok, I opened a new browser tab to see if the file was uploaded (and "uploading" dialog was just stuck), and it is there. But it shows 99% translated. Apparently this time it ignored forward slashes and considers all strings translated already. [13:45] gezza_ you have to "clean out" the ja translation file before uploading [13:46] gezza_ how did you upload the file to the Tiki15 project? [13:46] gezza_ maybe torsten cleaned it out, he did it for some languages [13:46] chibaguy And I looked at the "untranslated strings", picked one ("You have to create a gallery first"), and found that it _is_ actually translated already. So I don't know how transifex is determining what strings are translated and which aren't. There's an interface to delete translations of selected strings, so I guess that has to be done for all the "false positives". But what happens when the resources is updated? It'd have to manually [13:46] chibaguy prepared again either locally or at Transifex. [13:46] gezza_ so that they show real percentage [13:47] chibaguy I didn't do anything to the file before uploading. [13:47] gezza_ did you take it from trunk? [13:47] chibaguy I used the same modal dialog that's used for downloading. It has an "upload file" button. Yes, from trunk. [13:48] gezza_ ok, let me give it a try [13:53] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Custom CSS rule at tiki.org causing problems - https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=56749 [13:53] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Page Templates - https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=56743 [13:53] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: TikiWiki Forum with mailing list stripping first line - https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=56742 [14:03] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Custom CSS rule at tiki.org causing problems - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=56749 [14:03] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Page Templates - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=56743 [14:03] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: TikiWiki Forum with mailing list stripping first line - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=56742 [14:27] chibaguy I wonder why now in tiki 14 (looking at tiki.org) there are two icons superimposed in the module titles - the cogs from before and now "exchange" also (a pair of horizontal arrows). [14:29] chibaguy They are in two spans "moduleflip" and "moduleflip-vert" that seem to be redundant. [14:35] chibaguy Not sure why the exchange icon wasn't showing before. [14:36] chibaguy Apparently this is not a new change; last module.tpl file change in March shows both spans existing. [14:36] chibaguy But I've always only seen the cogs icon, never the exchange one until just now at tiki.org [14:37] chibaguy doc.t.o only has cogs [14:40] fabricius hi chibaguy: what are cogs [14:41] chibaguy gears [14:41] chibaguy sprockets [14:41] fabricius ahh wheels with teeth !? [14:41] chibaguy exactly ;-) [14:41] fabricius great [14:41] fabricius by the way chibaguy: working with LESS since yesterday [14:42] chibaguy what do you think about it? [14:43] fabricius WOW much better than overwriting CSS in customCSS or in stylesheets - I expected that actually, as I was reading a lot of the priciples. Yet I did not really dare to take the time learning it and switching - having been afraid about installing and about understanding how it works [14:44] fabricius It is much easier than I thought [14:44] fabricius absolutely worth to work with it [14:45] fabricius Actually I got to the decision, when I accidentally lost as grown set of customCSS and did not want to recreate [14:45] fabricius Now I should get phpStorm [14:46] fabricius did complie a file with the command line and now with the GUI compiler Koala (which uses the commandline and tracks errors on the fly, what is really nice [14:51] fabricius aswell I did "invent" two new module zones on a site, changing classic layout to classic2 => horizontal very top bar full width background (no container) plus a topbar full width background (no container) with a fixed width layout active. [14:51] fabricius I think I am starting to get a clue and it is great to define the custom module zones' design with an extra less file ... makes things so easy [14:52] fabricius AND chibaguy: your link recently posted was very very helpful to understand the advanced basics of Bootstrap - great blog post this guy did write - coinsidently I did find (google) two more interesting and helpful blog posts by the same guy related to Bootstrap and Less (ex. workflow) [14:53] chibaguy ok, that's good. [14:53] fabricius looking for the links [14:57] fabricius http://www.helloerik.com/bootstrap-3-less-workflow-tutorial [14:57] fabricius http://www.helloerik.com/bootstrap-3-grid-introduction [14:57] fabricius http://www.helloerik.com/the-subtle-magic-behind-why-the-bootstrap-3-grid-works [15:03] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Tiki12: profile/advanced Save button not working - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=56754 [15:09] msaad joined #tikiwiki [15:19] gezza joined #tikiwiki [15:22] gezza fabricius did you work on cleaning the japanese translation for transifex? [15:23] gezza to have the real percentages [15:23] fabricius Hi gezza, I guess chibaguy did work on it -> chibaguy? [15:24] gezza i was chatting with chibaguy, he did not remove the commented lines [15:24] gezza just wanted to check before I spend time witht it [15:24] chibaguy I didn't do any file editing of the ja language file before uploading it to the new transifex test. [15:25] chibaguy I don't know about the file for the first transifex project. [15:38] gezza chibaguy I uploaded translation, can you check? [15:38] chibaguy ok [15:39] gezza seems to be less, than in the other Tiki 15x project [15:40] chibaguy yes, as I recall the other file was 12% vs 9% for this one. [15:40] chibaguy What did you do to the file before uploading it? [15:43] gezza fabricius worked out a way: copy the array key => value lines into libreoffice calc, sort it by having the "//...." first, than delete them and copy back the leftover to the language.php file, than upload the translations [15:45] gezza should be a one time thing [15:46] chibaguy Do you mean all the "//" are deleted? [15:46] gezza all the lines starting with // [15:46] chibaguy I see. [15:46] gezza not just the two cahracters [15:46] chibaguy ok. [15:47] gezza when downloading the translatiion for use, transifex adds back the lines that are not transleted [15:47] chibaguy yes, I noticed that. [15:49] chibaguy Hmm, this seems quite messy. [15:50] chibaguy Too bad transifex doesn't understand Tiki's use of "//". [15:50] chibaguy And respect it, etc. [15:51] gezza well, i wonder what is the use of having // [15:52] chibaguy If everyone uses Transifex, maybe it's not needed, but for anyone translating the language file itself directly, it shows what needs to be translated. [15:54] gezza it provides some visual help when working with the source file, but you can still find and translate items without that [15:55] gezza i mean I an usually just searching for a string the I need to have translated [15:55] chibaguy So find the source string in the resource file, paste it into the target language file, and translate. [15:56] chibaguy Or find the source string in the templates, etc. [15:56] gezza you mean when translating directly in the eg: japanase file? [15:57] gezza the untraslated strings will still be there [15:57] gezza just without the // [15:57] gezza they remain as an "english to english" translation [15:58] chibaguy hmm, I was thinking of them being removed, to prevent that needless "translation". [15:58] chibaguy Just as they are commented out in the English file. [15:59] chibaguy I don't know what the efficiency hit is, but seems good to avoid it. [15:59] gezza if it was 100% translated tiki would have to manage it [16:00] gezza so i dont see much difference [16:01] gezza i mean the performance should not be consideration as we aim for 100% translation [16:04] chibaguy ok :-) [16:14] chibaguy It seems to me that if we're making radical changes in the language files to accomodate using Transifex, the result should be only improvement, not a step backwards. And to me having thousands or even just hundreds of lines of en => en is a significant step backwards. [16:16] chibaguy But I'll defer to the php/server experts on this point. [16:40] msaad chibaguy: