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[12:05] fabricius polom
[12:05] fabricius need some layout / smarty enlighted person
[12:06] fabricius we have some code like this: {if zone_is_empty('left')} ...
[12:06] fabricius I need something under the condition the zone would not be empty like that:
[12:07] fabricius {if !zone_is_empty('customzone')}
[12:07] fabricius this is not working - any idea what I am doing wrong?
[12:15] fabricius ah an empty space : {if ! zone_is_empty('customzone')} seems to work !
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[14:23] Emenems Question: tiki recommend to lock the installer. However, i would need it for further installation in the multisite configuration. So, is there a way to lock/unlock ? or it's only one way (lock) ?
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[14:36] jonnyb polompompom
[14:36] fabricius Emenems:  after going through the installer you find the shing blue button to enter and lock and right besides it a simple link to enter an not lock ... aswell you can at any time delete the lock file => /db/lock
[14:36] fabricius bolowbowbow
[14:37] fabricius hi jonnyb
[14:37] jonnyb hi fabricius
[14:37] jonnyb i did you get your mail about the sidebar thingy, sorry, not managed to get into it much
[14:40] fabricius no problem - just for information and in an ongoing process - generally we have a sidebar now (autohiding on small screens) and some ideas for more advanced sidebars
[14:41] fabricius and an early idea shared with Frank to get the sidebar toggled with a button made with PHP (eventually a wikiplugin, if things work the way we are thinking) ... we plan to work on that at the TikiFest
[14:41] fabricius I want to create a custom module for a menu for structures which shall show the menu from the actual active structure if there is a page shown which is in a structure
[14:42] fabricius So change the structure = change the menu BUT no need to setup an individual menu / module for each structure
[14:42] fabricius do you have an idea how to resolve this?
[14:42] fabricius jonnyb
[14:43] jonnyb one thing about the sidebar thing i didn't understand was that this seems to be as well as left and right cols (zones) - whereas i wanted to restore the left/right col showhide we had in 12.x
[14:43] jonnyb anyway...
[14:45] jonnyb sounds like that would be a better thing to add the the normal menu module, instead of a structureId just use one if the page is in it
[14:45] jonnyb shouldn't be too hard
[14:54] fabricius cols / sidebar : did not understand, could u pls explain again?
[14:56] fabricius ahhh we had a show/hide cols in 12, but lost it with Bootstrap (14) and you want to restore this?
[14:57] Emenems fabricius, merci. thx
[14:58] fabricius one problem might be, that you need different classes for the same col - ex: #col1 has different col-x-y class depending on the fact if #col2 or #col3 is shown or hidden
[14:58] fabricius Emenems: you are welcome
[14:59] fabricius so jonnyb, as far as I understand, we need to change these classes at toggle time and not only show/hide the column
[15:00] fabricius same with the sidebar (I tend to use an extra column and the topbar goes against (not over) the sidebar.
[15:01] fabricius and this gives the opportunity to use the #col2 for a content specific vertical menu and have a second column (#sidebar) showing extra global navigation
[15:02] jonnyb sorry fabricius (chat window gets buried so mention me in a reply?)
[15:02] jonnyb re: "we had a show/hide cols in 12, but lost it with Bootstrap (14) and you want to restore this?" - yes :)
[15:04] fabricius jonnyb: did you back then had to replace classes when showing/hiding aka for toggling?
[15:05] jonnyb there was (and still is) some old fns in tiki-js.js to togggle columns, plus some stuff in the tpl to show or hide and to change the margins etc - it was quite complicated
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[15:06] jonnyb toggleCols lib/tiki-js.js:43
[15:06] fabricius is tha stored with a cookie?
[15:06] msaad morning/evening/night all :)
[15:07] jonnyb fabricius: yes
[15:07] jonnyb hi msaad
[15:07] fabricius hi msaad
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[15:15] jonnyb polom nelsonko
[15:15] nelsonko polom
[15:15] fabricius bolow
[15:15] fabricius hi nelsonko
[15:18] fabricius hummm jonnyb nelsonko, can I read or get the structure id of the current structure with a smarty variable and insert this into a {module module=menu structure={variable} nobox=y} ? or similar ?
[15:18] jonnyb fabricius: probably, have you checked in the (tiki) debugger? you can get it to list all the smarty vars
[15:18] fabricius or {menu structureId={variable} nobox=y}
[15:18] fabricius ahh how?
[15:19] fabricius tiki debugger
[15:20] jonnyb "Debugger Console" on admin/features/programmer
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[15:23] jonnyb seems there's one called $structure_path but that's an array with the full path in, so i guess you need $structure_path.0.structure_id i think
[15:23] fabricius have the console open
[15:24] nelsonko hello
[15:25] fabricius and how do I find that now? What do I have to type in to the console to ask her which structure variables are available?
[15:25] jonnyb try "help"?
[15:25] jonnyb you need "slist struct" i think
[15:26] nelsonko {$structure_path} or something like tht
[15:27] jonnyb hmm, seems custom module form in trunk is borked - 2 name fields :(
[15:28] nelsonko but yes, jonny is right, if you look in the tiki debugger it shows all the variables. I think there is something, structure_id or something
[15:28] nelsonko $struture_id
[15:29] nelsonko btw, change's git clone of tiki hasn't been working since the source forge trouble. I am creating a new one..... started running it yesterday, will log back in and see if it is working...;
[15:31] fabricius good nelson
[15:32] jonnyb yes, thanks nelsonko
[15:32] fabricius by the way nelsonko jonnyb Jyhem amette => is there anything against using the tilde (" ~ ") in links ... I want to use it a namespace delimineter instead of :_: which gets htmlified (looking bad) usually
[15:33] fabricius so exaple.com/namespace~pagename
[15:34] jonnyb i think also ~ technically should be encoded, but better than the horrid (and invalid) :_: we have now
[15:34] fabricius invalid?
[15:34] jonnyb ~ does get used in unified search urls to indicate arrays
[15:34] jonnyb yes, : is not a valid url char afaik
[15:34] fabricius oh - so bad effects if I use that?
[15:35] jonnyb well they should get endoced as %27 or whatever it is
[15:35] jonnyb encoded
[15:35] fabricius I mean unified => bad effects if I use ~ ?
[15:36] fabricius I was trying -- on some site, but that always strikes through links in the editor
[15:37] fabricius I'd like to have a rewrite to / simulating folders, but ~ would be great, if it would not cause problems somewhere else
[15:42] jonnyb i don't think namespaces effect search at all, should be fine
[15:45] fabricius cool jonnyb, nelson, so I give it a go
[15:45] fabricius jonnyb, nelsonko: {menu structureId=$structure_path.0.structure_id type=vert css=y} WORKS !
[15:45] fabricius so one mini module for all structures
[15:45] fabricius cool
[15:46] jonnyb yay woo, i was playing with it too but it doesn't seem to work for me here
[15:48] fabricius clear tiki caches !
[15:49] fabricius working with wiki structure = clear caches often
[15:52] fabricius jonnyb, nelsonko: need to autohide, in case no structure. how to something like {if !empty ($structure_path.0.structure_id)} would something like that work - u know the syntax?
[15:53] fabricius HAHA jonnyb nelsonko that exactly DID work ... I CODED !
[15:53] fabricius Woohoo
[15:54] fabricius so menu not shown (not even the empty menu with the avkward "s") when no structure
[15:54] jonnyb yes, was going to say you'll need an if not empty ;)
[15:54] fabricius my question "how something like this" was actually the answer
[15:54] fabricius starting to get basic principles
[15:55] fabricius need more vocabulary and grammar
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[15:59] nelsonko fabricius: you can follow example of existing template, or check http://www.smarty.net/docs/en/language.function.if for more details
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[16:01] Emenems hum...
[16:02] Emenems the main "admin" menu is visible by a group called "mygroup". The "mygroup" is derived from "register"... grrr
[16:02] Emenems *"registered users"
[16:06] fabricius whatz da problem Emenems ?
[16:06] fabricius thx nelsonko
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[16:12] fabricius jonnyb: could you maybe do me a favor, if you think, the option would make sense: adding to the upstream a field / parameter to the custom modules / module "structure" with the effect structure=1:2:7 => show only in structure 1, 2 and 7 and structure=y show only when (any) structure whilst structure=n show only when no structure
[16:12] fabricius for me most important would be
[16:12] fabricius structure=y ( {if !empty ($structure_path.0.structure_id)} ) and
[16:12] fabricius structure=n ( {if empty ($structure_path.0.structure_id)} )
[16:13] Emenems ok... so..
[16:14] Emenems fabricius, I create a group "special admins". I choose "inheritance" from "Registered"
[16:15] Emenems I create a user "JohnDoe", and affect it to special admins
[16:15] Emenems I go to the modules tiki-admin_modules.php, select the basic menu (the one existing by default) and change the acl to affect "Admin" only... (NOT "special admins")
[16:15] Emenems I connect with john doe and, great, the menu does not appear
[16:16] Emenems Now, when i go to tiki-objectpermissions.php and allow "special admin" to change users (tiki_p_admin)
[16:16] Emenems Then suddenly, the main menu module appears again.
[16:17] Emenems Which is not.. hum.. obvious
[16:19] Emenems not sure that i'm clear with that :-)
[16:27] fabricius Emenems: I am unsure, but I think any group that has tiki_p_admin has the same permisson as group Admins (superuser), which makes sense under the perspective, that somebody who can create and delete users (and add to groups, for ex Admins) can make himself to a superuser anyway ... I guess tiki_p_admin is kind of the master permission
[16:28] fabricius AND it makes no sense at all to give tiki_p_admin to a specific object
[16:28] fabricius in short: user has 'tiki_p_admin' = is superuser
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[16:30] fabricius jonnyb: would you mind to login to my bgs site for a minute, to see how far I came in the meantime?
[16:31] jonnyb ok, fabricius - on my way...
[16:31] fabricius cool
[16:31] fabricius thx
[16:31] Emenems fabricius, yes right ok... that's just that when i checked "tiki-p-admin", i was not sure of what it was. My "super admin" group should be able to create basic users. Then it was weird that the menus would appear again
[16:32] fabricius to see the difference 2 things: A. click on Knowledgebase and Sysadmins B. shrink the browser width to see the sidebar effect
[16:32] jonnyb cool, seems to work well
[16:32] fabricius super user see everything - but you can hide Anonymous only modules for both options: Registered and Admins
[16:32] fabricius yeahh
[16:33] fabricius yeahh jonnyb
[16:33] fabricius do you like my new globus design?
[16:33] fabricius I want to step by step get a similarity to some extent to atlas
[16:33] jonnyb yes, looks good
[16:33] fabricius cool
[16:34] fabricius but a fixed (cookie) toggle for the sidebar for all width would be good (if not necessary)
[16:35] fabricius Aswell i have some layout idea .. will create a drawing and send to chibaguy
[16:36] jonnyb yes, looks like no cookie so fir right?
[16:36] fabricius no, not so far
[16:36] fabricius and only hiding on small screen size
[16:36] fabricius but I have other Bootstrap based sidebars in the pocket ;-)
[16:38] fabricius not yet sure, but likely better for the cookie plan
[16:38] jonnyb you're using the bootstrap toggle thing are you, rather than custom js code?
[16:38] fabricius I am using the Bootstrap offcanvas class and visible-xs
[16:39] fabricius I can send you the layout_view.tpl at any time you want - maybe soon time for an experimental branch !?
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[17:15] msaad So, I just finished bootstrapping a huge form. Does it looks better? http://i.imgur.com/atdVyP6.png?1
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[17:38] jonnyb could do with some tabs i think msaad, but i bet generally an improvment (once tested ;) )
[18:02] msaad jonnyb: Yeah! Some tabbing would be great for that form. However I'm not going that far right now.. I'm only removing the table structures and replacing with bootstrap markup. But I agree!
[18:03] jonnyb :)
[18:20] fabricius msaad: the left form is the new one I guess ... much better than the right one
[18:35] msaad fabricius: yes! :D
[19:06] msaad Fixed a bug on tiki-browse_gallery.tpl where links were missing & on query params. Commited to trunk.
[19:27] jonnyb thanks msaad - image galleries are officially deprecated (since tiki 4 or so) but we've never worked out how to migrate to file galleries, so they've hung around sadly (i wouldn't touch them if i were you)
[19:28] jonnyb i think they should be left unbootstapped imho so show they shouldn't be used any more
[19:28] msaad jonnyb: oh, good to know :). I was working on the template, checking if all worked after I changed stuff, and the link was broken..
[19:28] msaad we could at least put up a note saying it's deprecated and forward to the new one, what do you think
[19:28] jonnyb there's probably quite a few things broken in there
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