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[01:27] luciash any pics from the FrOSCon TikiFest ?
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[14:49] Emenems question... in /tiki-objectpermissions.php is there something to control the "creation of pages" ?
[14:49] Emenems i don't find :/
[14:49] Emenems bonjour :)
[14:49] Emenems btw
[14:54] Jyhem bonjour Emenems It's tiki_p_edit
[14:54] Jyhem creation and edition is the same
[15:03] fidel_ hey - is it possible to link to categories - like i am linking to internal pages aswell?
[15:04] fidel_ or are they only identified by id?
[15:11] Emenems Jyhem, ok :-)
[15:15] Emenems "If you are storing your files in the database, you need to check this MySQL variable:" <-- how do i know that ? :-D
[15:21] Emenems WTF.
[15:22] Emenems Tiki broke. It keeps going on the installer
[15:23] Jyhem Emenems: apache error logs ?
[15:24] Emenems Jyhem, nothing :-(
[15:24] Jyhem fidel_: mostly, they are identified by id. What do you call "link to categories"?
[15:25] Emenems Jyhem, is there an automatic update ?
[15:26] Jyhem No, no automatic updates
[15:26] Jyhem apache or nginx ?
[15:28] Emenems Jyhem, i found ! problem with mysql reloading ^^ But tiki was acting like "there is no installation".. and not like "can not connnect database"..
[15:29] Emenems now i need to understand why i can not upload files ^^
[15:32] Jyhem Yes, that error-handling has been bugging me since that part of the code went from "spagetti-code" to "proper error-handling with exceptions". We seem to have lost some detail in handling various errors in more varied ways :-(
[15:33] Jyhem there are many ways of not being able to upload files… ^^
[15:33] Jyhem are they stored in database of file system ?
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[15:33] Emenems Jyhem, good question :-)
[15:34] Emenems Jyhem, it's the default setting. I did not change something
[15:35] Jyhem then presumably in database
[15:35] Emenems Jyhem, in databse.
[15:35] Emenems i found the setting.
[15:35] Jyhem Have you had a look at tiki-check.php ?
[15:35] Emenems better in database ? or as a file ?
[15:37] Jyhem filesystem makes more sense. Except on cloud-based VMs or on limited hosting with no access to filesystem
[15:37] Emenems Jyhem, ok tiki -check.. i need to take a closer look ^^
[15:37] Emenems ok thx
[15:37] Jyhem just don't forget to back it up :)
[15:40] Emenems Jyhem, ok.. i switch to file system. But i still can not upload... i take a look at the system a keep you updated
[15:40] Emenems I have a notice
[15:40] Emenems PHP (5.5.9-1ubuntu4.11) NOTICE (E_NOTICE):
[15:40] Emenems File: lib/smarty_tiki/block.title.php
[15:40] Emenems Line: 62
[15:40] Emenems Type: Undefined variable: class
[15:40] Emenems i don't know if it's "important"
[15:43] Jyhem unimportant. just a notice for coders
[16:04] Emenems Jyhem, to upload a file, a "gallery" is mandatory ?
[16:07] Jyhem Yes
[16:08] Jyhem You already have a root gallery, but that is where they go
[16:09] Jyhem so I guess "no", no need to create one but you really should if you don't want everything in the root
[16:09] msaad tiki-notepad_read.php has to be the worst form UI so far.
[16:10] Jyhem that one must be nearly 10 years old and unused/unmaintained
[16:10] Emenems Jyhem, the idea is to use categories
[16:11] Jyhem Emenems: then you need file galleries and you categorize the file galleries
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[16:13] Emenems ah
[16:14] msaad jonnyb: glad you're here :p. Would like to check with you, if by any chance you know which components we are not maintaining anymore / should be announced as deprecated. I'd like to start a thread about what to do with them :)
[16:15] jonnyb hi msaad
[16:15] jonnyb there is a list somewhere that probably needs updating... 1 mo
[16:15] Jyhem hi Jonny
[16:15] jonnyb hi Jyhem
[16:16] jonnyb https://dev.tiki.org/Endangered+features would probably be a good place to start msaad
[16:16] msaad Thanks jonnyb!
[16:18] msaad most of it dates back from 5x 6x :O
[16:19] Emenems Quiz for example ?
[16:19] Emenems well.
[16:20] Emenems Quiz is "experimental" :-) is it "endangered" ?
[16:21] msaad Nope. experimental is something quite new, may be unstable or not tested throughly.
[16:21] jonnyb it's very hard and scary getting rid of stuff from tiki - good thing to do at a TikiFest when there is safety and confidence in numbers! :)
[16:21] msaad endangered is on the other end, where it had a good life but may not be needed anymore due to replacements.
[16:22] jonnyb quiz is old and probbly should be described as neglected or deprecated
[16:23] msaad jonnyb: indeed, it must involve people who are well versed in tiki.. what bothers me the most right now is that we have tons of functionalities, but I couldn't find any visual signs or deprecation announcements on releases.
[16:23] msaad I would like to handle that in a better way =)
[16:23] msaad like when we were talking about galleries..
[16:23] Emenems Maybe... you could have a "survey" on the tiki website main page (or somewhere else) to ask "what feature do you *actually* use" ..
[16:25] msaad (image galleries)
[16:25] Emenems ok.. zen
[16:26] Emenems Jyhem, update on tiki files!!! ... Remember, i tried the multisite and i'm using svn. i MUST create a gallery to upload files, even if i don't use it (and use the main gallery).
[16:26] Emenems More : I choose "use file system" to store files.. and the file go anyway in database :-D
[16:26] Emenems I'll check is it's linked to multitiki
[16:28] jonnyb Emenems: i find file galleries work fine in the file system on multitiki sites for me, at least i haven't ever noticed a problem
[16:28] Jyhem maybe there is a need for "clear all caches" ?
[16:30] Jyhem «i MUST create a gallery to upload files, even if i don't use it (and use the main gallery)». I can't decide if it's «a bug» or if it's «enforcing good practices»
[16:32] Emenems Jyhem, :-D
[16:32] Emenems Jyhem, ok for clear all caches. I will try again on the other instance. About "creating a gallery..." ...
[16:34] Jyhem also, make sure you use «file galleries» and not the old «image galleries» feature (which also has a "store to disk" option)
[16:35] Emenems Jyhem, in my use case, ..
[16:36] Emenems Jyhem, ok... hum. so:
[16:37] Emenems Jyhem, When someone upload a file, it must choose the "category". If i can "hide" this selection, then it's ok. Because when the user upload it can choose the gallery.
[16:37] Emenems Then i can attach a gallery to a category.
[16:37] Emenems The other option is "the user upload a file in the root gallery and select the category"
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[16:43] Jyhem Emenems: yes, I also feel this category selection thing should go away from file uploads. :-( I even wonder if it does something useful
[16:44] Jyhem jonnyb: are you using the category selection thing from file uploads?
[16:44] Emenems Jyhem, well... when i (as a user) choose to see a category, i see "pages" and "files"..
[16:45] Emenems Jyhem, if i MUST use "gallery" then I will see "pages" and "galleries" then only when cliking on galleries, i see files.
[16:46] Emenems More:  i need to create 20 galleries, like my 20 categories.
[16:49] Jyhem hmm, maybe I think in terms of filesystems too much
[16:50] jonnyb sry, phone
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[16:55] Emenems Jyhem, ok.. :) so.. when i delete the file... the file is still on the file system :)
[16:56] Emenems Jyhem, i have /var/www/tiki/files then "normally" subdirectories for multiki. but all files are in tiki/files
[16:57] Emenems ok.. i'll check later
[16:58] Jyhem I have zero experience with multitiki :-(
[16:59] * Jyhem needs to get afk, then needs to focus on a preprod → prod migration.
[16:59] Jyhem (and yes, I noticed it is friday)
[17:08] msaad Jyhem: Golden rule, never deploy on friday hahahahahahaha
[17:09] jonnyb ok, back - definitely Friday :)
[17:10] jonnyb Jyhem: to answer your previous question, categorising files when i upload, almost only for testing - most people don't even know it's there
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[17:39] Guest27494 Coming to tikiwiki as a newbie can anyone share a resource for configuring the permisions, I am slowly adding and removing to test access, would be easier if their was more documentation, thks
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[19:02] jonnyb hi Guest27494 - have you looked at https://doc.tiki.org/Permissions ?
[19:02] jonnyb also http://twbasics.tikiforsmarties.com/tiki-index.php?page=Configuring+Group+Permissionsmight be useful
[19:02] jonnyb gottagomorelatersoon!
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[19:47] Guest27494 Thanks for the responces, Brian
[19:53] fabricius polom
[19:54] fabricius Guest27494: just saw you
[19:54] fabricius hi Guest27494
[19:54] fabricius Brian, right?
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[19:59] Guest27494 Correct, We are just no starting to work with this product.
[20:01] Guest27494 confussion on assign permissions that limit different groups to work within just their areas
[20:04] fabricius oh
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[23:40] luciash amette: Jyhem: any pics from the latest TikiFest?
[23:41] luciash e.g. pic of the booth maybe? ;)