Jyhem: hi luciash, I'm afrad I don't have any :-( It was rare to have everybody there at the same time anyway, with all the running around and attending conferences
It looked very mch like last year anyway :)
Some woman from FrOSCon wanted to take one of all booths, maybe we'll be on the website ?
fabricius: Hi Jyhem, could anybody help Guest27494 ? I was disconnected
Jyhem: he did not ask about anything after you left
you know him IRL ?
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Looking for some direction with advanced setup if anyone is around...
luciash: hi
_Guest_: what direction?
Jyhem: thanks for the info
_Guest_: I'm mainly using the Wiki Pages and File Galleries... I have setup multiple groups to put Users in, and I have permissions set fine for the File Gallery to upload and manage files. My problem is the Wiki Pages... I have permissions set to allow editing, but I can't get them right for users to create Wiki Pages in their own Categories
I can allow the global permissions, which will allow creating, editing, etc... but it goes for all Wiki/Categories... I just want to narrow it down to their own set
Jyhem: _Guest_: are you aware that in group configuration you can set a default category ? This will be the category of everything the group members create
luciash: _Guest_: you need to set for their Group in the Category the perm tiki_p_edit I guess
Jyhem: When users are in multiple groups, then it is the "default group"
_Guest_: Yes, I've set that
luciash: Jyhem: no pictures on the FrOSCon site found :-/
Jyhem: which "that"? mine or luci's ?
_Guest_: tiki_p_edit is fine, as the users can edit existing files in their group. The problem is I can't find a way for them to create a wiki page that doesn't yet exist
Jyhem: luciash: if there is one presentation you watch, I suggest this one: http://media.ccc.de/browse/conferences/froscon/2015/froscon2015-1640-beginning_of_the_end_or_end_of_the_beginning.html
_Guest_: try giving them global page editing permission ?
_Guest_: I just did... and I can create a page, but it doesn't default to their category
was looking around for another setting perhaps in addition
Jyhem: Otherwise, you might look at page structures. When a structure is configured with "all pages in structure have same category", they can create pages in the structure
the setting is not in the configuration of their default group ?
_Guest_: I enabled tiki_p_add_object & tiki_p_modify_object_categories in global permissions, and it works now
I would however like it to just default to their group...
maybe it's asking too much, lol
Jyhem: have you been in tiki-admingroups.php then a group then found setting "Default category assigned to uncategorized objects edited by a user with this default group:"?
_Guest_: Sorry there was no notification on a new message, let me double check
Yes, If I go to "Admin Groups" and use "Edit" from the wrench menu, I have the exact same name as my group under Default Category "Default category assigned to uncategorized objects edited by a user with this default group."
When I create a new Wiki Page, I have the 2nd tab, which will let me select the Category while I create the page, however it does not check that category by default
.. and Thank You so far, I wouldn't have thought of the options that get everything else working... this default category isn't a huge deal, but would be nice for our users who aren't necessarily tech savvy
Jyhem: you are welcome. I hope you get it working.
Now I need to sleep.
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chibaguy: Related to the Buttons vs. links post, "Go back" and "Return to homepage" on some error pages are both graphic buttons but are clearly for navigation. Wrong?
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fabricius: chibaguy: things are well so far - many ideas, proceeding very slowly
chibaguy: Yeah, things take time.
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fabricius: chibaguy: I do not see "Return" either buttons or links right or wrong. It is more a question what we do want as consistent styling for our app ... I am not sure wether the one or the other would be better UI/UX ... basically it should be consistent over all ... maybe ideally wrapped together to somekind of "this type of links/buttons" => pref1 link / pref2 button or so
chibaguy: Well, it's also a matter of user expectation. Links have traditionally been for navigation and buttons for actions, as far as I know, and from reading more expert opinions.
There may be an accessibility difference as well, but I'm not sure yet.
I agree consistent styling is very important, but this is possible by consistently using text for links and bordered buttons for actions, if that's our design decision.
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chibaguy: (Actually right now there are a number of inconsistent link/buttons - it seems the styles are applied without apparent reason in some cases.
fabricius: chibaguy: I would be fine with a "rule" alike links for navigation and buttons for actions - then configured/coded consistently
chibaguy: Yes, that's what I want to come from my question.
I think sometimes navigation links and action buttons are styled the same for visual consistency. There's some merit to that, but that also reduces the information for the user.
fabricius: yup
and tooo much buttons all over the place itself reduces the information
chibaguy: we've made good progress in that area, I think, but the trade-off is an extra click or hover sometimes.
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