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[15:43] arildb Hi jonnyb
[15:43] jonnyb hi arildb
[15:43] arildb I made a test with non-SEFURL and everything works fine
[15:44] arildb However, I agree with you that including initlib in route "doesn't feel right"
[15:44] arildb I made the adjustment, because repeated calls to utf8_decode corrupts the string
[15:44] jonnyb hmm, that's odd - i wonder what the difference is?
[15:45] jonnyb yes, that's why i suggested the mb_detect_encoding route
[15:45] arildb mb_detect_encoding doesn't work properly
[15:45] jonnyb ah, ok :(
[15:46] arildb I could run the test, and it answered wrong, causing the same problem
[15:46] jonnyb but also if it could be moved into an IIS only section based on the SAPI if there is a difference?
[15:46] jonnyb hmm, dull
[15:46] arildb yes, that's possible.
[15:47] jonnyb i did see ony test that compared the length of the original string to the utf8 one, and if it was different then you need to encode
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[15:47] arildb On the other hand, utf8_decode could be used. After all route.php comes first, so repeated calls may not be an issue
[15:47] jonnyb actually i think the UN should make this sort of thing some sort of crime - all encoding should be standard!
[15:47] arildb UN?
[15:48] jonnyb or add it to the Geneva Convention of something
[15:48] jonnyb United Nations?
[15:48] arildb lol
[15:48] arildb yes, have a political decision...tht would solve it ;-)
[15:48] * jonnyb was kidding
[15:49] arildb I will try to rewrite it, to get rid of the initlib inclusion and only check for IIS
[15:49] jonnyb di d you try mb_detect_encoding in strict mode?
[15:50] jonnyb a comment on php.net says it's useless without that
[15:50] arildb utf8_encode should be ok, since route.php comes first
[15:50] jonnyb thanks, why are these things so hard!?
[15:50] arildb mb_detect_encoding ansswers wrong. I made a few tests
[15:51] jonnyb is there not a case where utf8 encoding something already urf8 causes corruption? there certainly is with most kinds of encoding
[15:51] arildb calling utf8_encode repeatedly will corrupt the string
[15:51] jonnyb even with strict set to true? seems odd, this post says it helps http://php.net/manual/en/function.mb-detect-encoding.php#102510
[15:52] jonnyb anyway, i'll leave you to it - i guess we both have other things to do :)
[15:52] arildb will do some more tests, with strict
[15:52] jonnyb :)
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[16:43] arildb mb-detect-encoding with strict works well. Just committed. Dependency to initlib.php removed from route.php
[16:46] arildb jonnyb: I hope the fix is OK now
[16:46] jonnyb woo hoo! Thanks arildb, will have a look later
[16:46] arildb :)
[16:51] jonnyb hey amette and amette_, i'm adding some session stuff to tiki-check.php and want to fix the "bad" rating for memory_limit == -1 (unlimited) and change it to just "ugly" and was going to add this text as an explanation - does it look ok?
[16:52] jonnyb "Your memory_limit is unlimited. This may casue problems on your server and should be used for testing and development only."
[16:52] jonnyb and/or Jyhem if you're about :) (hi!)
[16:52] amette_ hi jonnyb :)
[16:53] jonnyb i'm guessing on a real site giving php all the memory would kill it?
[16:53] amette_ smart ass mode on - it is "cause" problems, not "casue" - smart ass mode off - looks good to me, maybe a bit more detail which kind of problems would be good?
[16:54] amette_ it doesn't necessarily have to kill the server, but if a script is buggy it can eat up all the memory...
[16:54] jonnyb thanks for the typo spot - any examples and info welcome
[16:54] amette_ ... so memory_limit is a safeguard against buggy/runaway scripts so to say.
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[16:55] amette_ Or it could be a good script, but people trying to DoS you by giving it insane amounts of data to process maybe.
[16:55] jonnyb needs to be a one-liner really - i could give them your phone number :D
[16:55] amette_ LOL :P
[16:56] amette_ I was just thinking... we don't have any real explanation on the max_execution_time either, right?
[16:56] jonnyb changed it to: This may cause problems on a production server...
[16:56] amette_ sounds good :)
[16:56] jonnyb my one says: "Your max_execution_time is unlimited. This is not necessarily bad, but it's a good idea to limit this time on productions servers in order to eliminate unexpectedly long running scripts."
[16:56] jonnyb (localhost)
[16:57] amette_ Well, someone wrote quite a good explanation there, eh!? ;)
[16:58] jonnyb yup (wasn't me ;) )
[16:59] jonnyb so how about
[16:59] amette_ however good that guy was, he does typos, too: "productionS servers" *g*
[16:59] jonnyb Your memory_limit is unlimited. This is not necessarily bad, but it's a good idea to limit this on productions servers in order to eliminate unexpectedly greedy scripts.
[16:59] amette_ Very good, I was just trying to suggest somthing similar, but couldn't come up with a proper adjective...
[16:59] amette_ ... I like "greedy"! :)
[16:59] jonnyb Not very technical but...
[17:00] amette_ Well, I'd say those explanations shouldn't be overly technical... they are for the layman to understand the issues.
[17:00] jonnyb was thinking of naughty too, but i think greedy is ok
[17:00] amette_ yep, greedy is more to the point
[17:00] jonnyb ok, moving on...
[17:00] amette_ :)
[17:00] jonnyb thanks :)
[17:00] amette_ yw, thanks for the improvement :)
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[17:50] jonnyb hi gezza
[17:56] amette_ moloq gezza
[18:21] gezza jonnyb, when are you doing 14.1?
[18:22] jonnyb hi gezza - thursday afternoon by the look of it
[18:23] gezza oh, thanksgiving
[18:23] gezza can test only the package when it is ready
[18:23] jonnyb oh yes, so it is! :)
[18:24] jonnyb yes, basically that's the last step of the release script, making the tarballs
[18:24] gezza i will update my site when it is available, but dont think there will be much trouble
[18:24] jonnyb it usually works these day so testing can go on for a few days (for ever ;) )
[18:25] gezza zf2 update seems promising
[18:25] gezza i mean did not notice anything yet on my local test
[18:25] jonnyb yes, looks ok so far
[18:25] jonnyb same
[18:26] gezza so it will be merged back after 14.1 is out?
[18:26] jonnyb that's the plan
[18:27] jonnyb and we'll stop doing the auto-merging, so officially all eyes on trunk for tiki 15 :)
[18:27] gezza great, I've been working on an optional way to integrate with transifex, will commit after that
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