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   olinuxx: yes
   <br> how are you fabricius ?
   fabricius: fine, thx
   <br> <u>olinuxx</u>: For a Tiki15 release you should mainly ask nelson, jonny and bernard. I recommend to early test 14 or 15 with a copy of your database. you could set an http password to be able to hide from public, but still test the public website. There are major differences in respect of templates and stylesheet, due to the move to Bootstrap. So depending on the amount of your individual customisations, it might be
   olinuxx: a nightmare :)
   fabricius: I have a site myself (a small international organisation) where I cannot upgrade, because I do not yet have a new design and it is unclear who will be able to create the grafic design (not the implementation in .tpl/.css, which I can do)
   <br> a fully custom classic fixed width website to a responsive Bootstrap would need some new design and I do not really have time to do the changes.
   olinuxx: exactly the same here :)
   <br> but, I've got someone proposing his skills to do so from Tiki 14
   <br> then, I wonder how big are going to be the changes from 14 to 15
   fabricius: 14 to 15 should be quite effortless
   <br> the Bootstrap will do changes from 3 to 4 regarding a number of selectors, but when your developer will be using the preprocessor, this should be not a major issue
   <br> quite important to know is, that Bootstrap switches from LESS to SASS, but again this is not a major issue. When you have understood the principle of LESS, SASS is working the same way and the differences are quite simple and limited ... SASS seems to have some extra options, but follows the same basic ideas
   olinuxx: ok, thanks fabricius
   <br> and have a good night
   <br> time for bed for me now
   Jyhem_: polom
   Jyhem: happy festivities or festivity recovery or festivity preparations everybody :-D
   -: Jyhem learns bootstrap with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKt-MDwtVB4 :)
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   fabricius: <u>Jyhem</u>: hello, still awaik?
   Jyhem: yup :)
   <br> Still watching tutorials. They're pretty good
   fabricius: yes
   <br> His pronounciation is a bit funny, but very well understandable. Thx for the link!
   Jyhem: I kind of got hints which led to this lead in Policzka but I only started watching now
   fabricius: :)
   -: Jyhem is sure the guy also thinks we have strange accents :)
   fabricius: Bootstrap + SASS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu74UmFBAq8&amp;list=PLillGF-RfqbbpWowfjk9_Vv8XUuTBFPut
   -: fabricius is sure, Jyhem is bloody right in his assumption
   Jyhem: SASS is tiki15, LESS is Tiki14, correct ?
   <br> ut thanks, I file it in the videos list to watch
   fabricius: correct, but I do actually not 100% sure, if already or when the SASS move is done - what I know is, that Bootstrap 3 = LESS and 4 = SASS
   <br> so if 4 in 15, then SASS in 15 / if 3 in 15, the LESS in 15 =&gt; Gary to be asked!
   Jyhem: ok. I see. Anyway, I learn all this for a Tiki14 project
   fabricius: ok
   <br> so finally starting with next generation
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