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[11:11] xiaolin Hi
[11:11] xiaolin I have a problem with the tracker
[11:12] xiaolin I have created a questionnaire and I want to add a return receipt, I don't know how to do it
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[11:47] xiaolin I want to add a return receipt for the respondents automaticly
[11:47] xiaolin But I don't know how can I do
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[13:28] Tiki-KGB 03xavidp r57519 10branches/15.x/templates/tiki-wiki_topline.tpl
[13:28] Tiki-KGB [FIX]Hide edit section icons when revision approval is set on the page, and you are not viewing its last version. With this fix, section_edit (and editplugin) behavior is consistent with the behavior of "Edit page" button, which was the expected behavior, by the way, for "edit section" icons.The source of the issue is at the parser level, but I was unable to fix there properly, th
[13:28] Tiki-KGB tikiwikierefore, I aplied this cheaper fix at jq level once the page is displayed. It will be backported to 14.x & 12.x.
[13:42] Tiki-KGB 03xavidp r57520 10branches/14.x/templates/tiki-wiki_topline.tpl
[13:42] Tiki-KGB [bp/r57519][FIX]Hide edit section icons when revision approval is set on the page, and you are not viewing its last version. With this fix, section_edit (and editplugin) behavior is consistent with the behavior of "Edit page" button, which was the expected behavior, by the way, for "edit section" icons.The source of the issue is at the parser level, but I was unable to fix there p
[13:42] Tiki-KGB tikiwikiroperly, therefore, I aplied this cheaper fix at jq level once the page is displayed. It will be backported to 14.x & 12.x.
[13:42] Tiki-KGB 03xavidp r57521 10branches/12.x/templates/tiki-wiki_topline.tpl
[13:42] Tiki-KGB [bp/r57519][FIX]Hide edit section icons when revision approval is set on the page, and you are not viewing its last version. With this fix, section_edit (and editplugin) behavior is consistent with the behavior of "Edit page" button, which was the expected behavior, by the way, for "edit section" icons.The source of the issue is at the parser level, but I was unable to fix there p
[13:42] Tiki-KGB tikiwikiroperly, therefore, I aplied this cheaper fix at jq level once the page is displayed. It will be backported to 14.x & 12.x.
[13:42] Jyhem polom
[13:43] * Jyhem looking at http://themes.tiki.org/Sample+page
[13:43] Jyhem Is there a Tiki-way of inserting an info panel? The page makes use of the HTML() plugin :-(
[13:51] amette_ polom
[13:57] Jyhem hi amette
[13:58] amette_ heya Jyhem :)
[13:59] Jyhem the bootstrap section of http://themes.tiki.org/Sample+page is a bit disappointing: all these nice new widgets and then no tiki-syntax for making use of them :-(
[13:59] amette_ (And for what it's worth: I thought there was a Tiki-Syntax for it, but I might have been dreaming...)
[13:59] amette_ But I agree: there really should be Tiki-Syntax for it.
[13:59] Jyhem Well, it's all a big HTML() plugin :-(
[13:59] amette_ At least for the most common Bootstrap elements like Panels and Jumbotrons and the like.
[14:00] amette_ It shouldn't be too hard to code a plugin for that though. Maybe it would be even possible with Plugin Aliases?
[14:00] Jyhem Yes, classic Tiki syntax like remarksbox should just map to them
[14:00] amette_ yep, good point!
[14:01] Jyhem I'd rather bootstrapify existing syntax before creating a new layer of new plugins
[14:01] * amette_ agrees
[14:01] Jyhem if possible (I have not tried)
[14:01] amette_ Not sure though, if that's possible - exactly
[14:01] amette_ Like: it surely is possible, but in a backwards compatible fashion, I mean.
[14:03] amette_ I want to set the remember me cookie settings and I can find them via the admin search, which tells me the settings are in Admin->Login, but I don't find that setting there...?! o.O
[14:03] Jyhem well, remarksbox looks like an obvious match. There might be others
[14:03] amette_ Yeah, well, not sure, if it is a good idea to change the output that remarksbox is generating...?!
[14:05] Jyhem not right now befoe Tiki 15 as it would break all tyling
[14:05] Jyhem s/tyling/styling
[14:05] amette_ And I think you mean Tiki 16... as 15 is de-facto frozen since the release.
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[14:06] Jyhem Yes, something to think about. Not something to do today :)
[14:06] amette_ :)
[14:07] Jyhem Admin login → General Preferences → look for section Cookies → Remember me
[14:08] Jyhem maybe you dn't see advanced settings?
[14:08] amette_ I don't have a Cookie section there... :O
[14:08] amette_ ... although I do see it in the HTML source of the page. o.O
[14:09] Jyhem maybe you don't see advanced settings?
[14:09] amette_ I have them all turned on, even "Unavailable".
[14:10] Jyhem weird :-(
[14:10] amette_ But yes, it's set as "display:none;" ?!??
[14:10] Jyhem clear browser caches ?
[14:10] amette_ Huuuuuge amount of settings appeared, when I disabled that CSS thing.
[14:10] amette_ lemme try
[14:12] amette_ nope, doesn't help
[14:13] * Jyhem baffled
[14:14] * amette_ too
[14:14] amette_ I could set what I needed to now, but the UI problem persists...
[14:14] Jyhem Hey! I'm not an admin on http://themes.tiki.org/Sample+page ???
[14:15] amette_ it's themes.t.o - it doesn't get groups via InterTiki afaik
[14:15] Jyhem Can you validate the HTML plugin there?
[14:15] amette_ nope, I just see the pending approval box, but no buttons
[14:16] amette_ Ah, hang on... logging in helps... :P
[14:16] amette_ Approved.
[14:16] amette_ The theme changed, when I logged in... is it supposed to be like that?!
[14:17] Jyhem Thanks
[14:17] amette_ yw
[14:17] Jyhem I guess your login has a custom own theme
[14:18] Jyhem can you put me in whatever group is appropriate ? :)
[14:18] amette_ Hang on, I'll check.
[14:19] amette_ I added you to "ThemesTwoAdmins" - that sounded appropriate to me. ;)
[14:20] Jyhem Yes thanks, I just reapproved :)
[14:26] fabricius amette_:
[14:26] amette_ Jyhem : cool :)
[14:26] fabricius polom y'a all
[14:26] amette_ Hi Torsten
[14:26] fabricius amette_ and Jyhem hello
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[14:29] fabricius Back to your Bootstrap chat (I just reread after pooping in): I agree, that we need TikiSyntax / WikiSyntax for common Bootstrap components, but I am nt sure if I want to agree to soe kind of alias thingi or so ... should be clear Syntax for non-so-tecchie user, in other words defult existing and working wiki plugins
[14:29] fabricius /s/defult/default
[14:29] Jyhem hi Torsten
[14:29] amette_ Alias was meant as a local workaround for Jyhem's case
[14:29] fabricius It is sad, that I cannot code those wikiplugins myself, otherwise I would take some time to code some of the components
[14:30] fabricius ahh ok
[14:30] fabricius understand amette_ - that sounds appropriate
[14:30] amette_ Why not take time to learn to code? This is the perfect project for a start.
[14:32] fabricius I have so many projects running - I am convinced, it could only work out, if someone would take the time to teach me. kind of a crash course with videoconferencing (screensharing) ... maybe not one long, but a few short sessions
[14:32] gezza polom
[14:32] amette_ bolow gezza
[14:32] fabricius I really cannot make it by self-studying - that is not realistic, but with a tutor / teacher I would/will try
[14:33] amette_ Yeah, always easier to put the responsibility somewhere else.
[14:33] gezza remarksbox plugin is using bootstrap alert
[14:34] gezza you can also just use the DIV plugin
[14:34] amette_ Ah, that's cool. Is there a type-parameter for DIV that would create those bootstrap elements?
[14:34] amette_ That might be what I was remembering then...?!
[14:35] gezza take a look at the source of https://tiki.org/Download
[14:35] fabricius no not a matter of responsibility - a matter of too limited ressources - I work between 80% to 90% in voluntary non-payed contexts and have no time left. If someone from the community took soe time (as investment) i would tae some time from other projects aswell andsee it as investment aswell. but I have not the time to take one or two or three weeks off to selfstudy ... I have no coders background and it would take too much time with
[14:36] fabricius yes, you can do a lot with the DIV lugin, just by applying the bootstrap classes
[14:36] amette_ gezza : ah, right, just use the class-parameter, yes, that's what I have been doing, too - but maybe that's not intuitive enough for the average n00b?
[14:36] fabricius Plugn Button works with bootstrap classes aswell
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[14:37] fabricius it still would be good to get some of the component as "native wiki plugins"
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[14:37] gezza well, so many things can happen inside a jumbotron or a well, I'am not sure you can make a plugin for that
[14:38] Jyhem hmmm, how do I activate these links from settings to tiki.org pages which explain them ?
[14:39] amette_ gezza : you know translations... I am going to change some strings in wikiplugin_tracker.php, adding more text to parameter descriptions... I then have to change that string in all of the language.php/js files, too - right? Do we have any scripts or best practices for that? Any wiki page on that topic?
[14:39] fabricius I think such a plugin would be only kind of a miniplugin - a variation of a div with predefined jumbotron class ... just to make it easier for a noob
[14:39] amette_ Jyhem : context help or so? Should be on by default iirc.
[14:40] fabricius {JUMBOTRON(additional-parameters=whatsoever)}put any content here, as it is only a div{JUMBOTRON}
[14:40] amette_ as it is only a div, a Plugin Alias would be good enough instead of duplicating code - I tend to agree with gezza after all
[14:41] Jyhem hmmm, maybe it is, actually. i thought there was a link for site_layout but there is none
[14:41] fabricius More difficult or more sense maybe for dropdown stuff or other mre complex stuff !?
[14:41] Jyhem yes, there is. my bad
[14:44] amette_ On a totally unrelated note: PHPStorm is so fckn good!! :)
[14:53] gezza amette_ you need to run some script to update all other language files
[14:53] gezza gary was doing it o'lot lately
[14:54] gezza after using transifex it wont be necessary
[14:54] amette_ Ok, a script would be cool, anything else wouldn't make much sense.
[14:54] amette_ Does the script that gary runs notice when a string has changed?
[14:54] amette_ So I can just change the string and don't have to worry about the language files as Gary will take care of it?
[14:55] gezza chibaguy is doing it only if he cahnges something
[14:55] gezza if you change, you have to run
[14:55] amette_ Or maybe I just commit and ask on the SVN-list how to handle that case...?! Probably better to work with an example... it's going to trunk anyway.
[14:56] amette_ Ok, I'll commit this, ask on the list what to do this time and keep waiting eagerly for Transifex. ;)
[14:57] gezza i started to document it in the new translation perspective
[14:57] gezza check back in a few days ;)
[14:57] amette_ Ok, cool! :)
[15:06] Tiki-KGB 03amette r57522 10trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tracker.php * [FIX] Missing documentation of Tracker-plugin parameters
[15:08] amette_ As a matter of fact I feel that the parameter I added is named improperly, but I took its name from PrettyTracker-thingy, where it is already named wrongly imho. I really didn't know which way around to advance the inconsisteny... *sigh*
[15:09] amette_ Anyway, it works and is documented in the place in which it is being used, so should be more or less ok.
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[15:18] Wicky Hi, is Tiki DDA or ADA compliant?
[15:19] Wicky DDA : The Disability Discrimination Act
[15:19] Wicky ADA : American Disability Association
[15:24] Jyhem Hi Wicky. We pay attention to accessibiity issues as much as we can, but we have no formal compliance process.
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[16:30] amette_ Can someone enlighten me on when to use TrackerList vs TrackerFilter plugin?
[16:39] amette_ ah, TrackerList doesn't give me a search field in the wiki page, it only allows filtering via plugin parameters, right?
[16:41] amette_ except for tablesorter... :P
[16:52] amette_ Can't I turn off this massively annoying automatic scroll-down after searching in the trackerFilter-plugin?! :O
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[17:08] amette_ moqmoqmoloq jonnyb :)
[17:09] jonnyb hi amette_
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[18:04] Jyhem hi jonnyb :)
[18:04] jonnyb hi Jyhem
[18:06] Jyhem I've been trying to get up to date on new themes and layouts (you can follow my progress by looking at the pages I updated on themes.to :) )
[18:06] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r57524 10branches/15.x/lib/structures/structlib.php
[18:06] Tiki-KGB [FIX] structures: Use pageSlug instead of pageName when using the new slug manager SEFURLs (wiki_url_scheme)
[18:07] Jyhem Is it just me or are the titles in themes.tiki.org/Layout+Templates rathr ugly?
[18:07] Jyhem I find them too big and too black. But I'm not a design person, so maybe it's just me
[18:08] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r57525 10branches/15.x/lib/structures/structlib.php * [FIX] structures: Use pageSlug instead etc... oops, missing backtick
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[18:30] Tiki-KGB [FIX] structures: Observe perms for individual structures, based on testing for the perms on the top level wiki page - probably more fine tuning to do, also only really tested on tiki-admin_structures.php so far (thanks Geoff)
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[18:42] amette_ Jyhem : on the page you linked the titles look kinda ok, I think - but in general: yes, Tiki has waaay too big headings imho - and it's not just you and me, this is one of the first things any one of my customers tells me
[18:44] fabricius amette_, gezza plus for the sake af being online Jyhem : to our previous discussion (Bootstrap Components - Wiki Plugins):
[18:44] fabricius {DIV(class=jumbotron)}{REMARKSBOX(type=info title=info parameterx=valuey)}sometext{REMARKSBOX}{DIV}
[18:44] fabricius creates a beautiful Jubotron with a jumbotronised beautiful info remarksbox ... no WikiPlugin needed for this - we should look into the more complex Bootstrap components and check out if we needed WikiPlugins there and add documentation to BootstrapTricks on doc.tiki.org (maybe referenced from themes, but not at themes, as it is a conent related thingi, not so much a themeing issue, where we use pure HTML instead of WikiSyntax
[18:44] fabricius /s/):/ ) : /
[18:47] Jyhem Well, the page I referred to is the perfect page for putting such examples! That is what it's for :-D
[18:49] Jyhem It showcases all wiki syntax tricks with explanations, and suddenly the bootstrap section is a huge HTML() plugin. Maybe starting with plain jumbotron and plain other components, but yes, I like it
[18:50] * Jyhem looking for the page. There was a power cut and I lost every tabs
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[19:12] Jyhem fabricius: that is the page I was thinking of: http://themes.tiki.org/Sample+page
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[22:04] fabricius Jyhem: "fabricius: that is the page I was thinking of: http://themes.tiki.org/Sample+page" <= imho this page is to generally show, how Bootstrap looks in Tiki - it is (or was initially) a simlpe copy/paste of getbootstrap and is meant to be so ... although it might make sense to point this out clearly.
[22:04] fabricius Jyhem: themes is for themeing where themes are made from CSS (including LESS/SCSS/SASS) and Smarty templates plus optional further components like JS
[22:05] fabricius Jyhem: Templates are made with HTML plus Smarty, optionally some JS I think aswell and the styling of the themes is made with CSS via LESS (BS3) or in future SCSS (BS4)
[22:05] fabricius Jyhem: I think this stuff has to be on themes, but not how you work out stuff on wiki pages - wiki page editing imho belongs clearly to doc.t.o
[22:07] fabricius Imho we shoud have a link from the page on themes.t.o you mentioned to the doc.tiki.org and work out Bootstrap related wiki plugin stuff from there.
[22:13] Jyhem_laptop fabricius: ok, understood. So someone needs to find that page on doc.to which explains the syntax. I think there is one
[22:44] fabricius Jyhem_laptop: we should make it easy to find. check out the left column (#col2) on doc.t.o where you should find a Bootstrao Tricks area. I did set this up some month ago and it could be made better and referenced from different places. should be at an appropriate place of the releant main wiki structure aswell (at least linked)
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[22:51] Jyhem___ Very nice. I missed it because I spent the day in themes and in Tiki15 code
[22:52] Jyhem___ https://doc.tiki.org/Bootstrap+Grid+in+Wiki+Syntax?structure=HomePage+BootstrapTricks is kind of the right place or the right starting place...
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[22:54] Jyhem___ But if we want people to find it, it needs to be labelled something with "wiki syntax" rather than "bootstrap" which only makes sense for coders/designers/professionals
[22:54] Jyhem___ and of course, it needs to keep "bootstrap" somewhere for those professionals :-)
[22:54] * Jyhem___ back to sharing icons
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