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[12:26] jonnyb polom chibaguy
[12:26] chibaguy hi jonnyb
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[13:05] Jyhem polom
[13:05] Jyhem hi chibaguy
[13:05] chibaguy hi Jyhem
[13:08] Jyhem chibaguy: I've been wondering about the new boostrapped themes
[13:09] Jyhem Are they a work in progress or done?
[13:09] chibaguy Still in progress, but some are pretty close.
[13:09] Jyhem Namely, I wonder if the wiki-syntax titles are going to get smaller/less black
[13:10] Jyhem example: https://themes.tiki.org/Layout+Templates
[13:10] chibaguy Do you mean the headings?
[13:11] Jyhem They look huger than anything else on the page. i find it a bit jarring. I considered starting with !! or !!! instead of ! but display should not dictate structure
[13:11] Jyhem yes, the h1, h2, h3 I get with !, !! or !!!
[13:12] Jyhem I feel the headings are so much bigger than the actual text, they detract from getting a global feel of the page
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[13:13] chibaguy Yeah, I've thought the size difference has been pretty big in Tiki, but it also is in Bootstrap - http://getbootstrap.com/css/#type-headings
[13:14] chibaguy I don't recall about the new themes offhand, but will check.
[13:16] Jyhem It's in fivealive-lite/grape. fivealive-lite is our default, or is it fivealive?
[13:17] chibaguy Fivealive-lite is used on the project sites, but I believe default Bootstrap is the default theme for new installs.
[13:18] Jyhem Well, the idea of dogfood is, our sites must look good, so others benefit from it, anyway.
[13:19] Jyhem I agree http://getbootstrap.com/css/#type-headings does not look as bad as https://themes.tiki.org/Layout+Templates
[13:21] chibaguy Ok, I'll check into reducing the size difference.
[13:21] Jyhem https://doc.tiki.org/Bootstrap+Grid+in+Wiki+Syntax?page_ref_id=4949 looks not as bad, but it uses mainly !!, only one !. But headings are still bigger than anything else on the page
[13:24] Jyhem bootstrap does have a big page header, but maybe it's all an effect of using color rgb(51,51,51) while we have pitch black?
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[13:25] chibaguy On https://themes.tiki.org/Layout+Templates, I see more than one h1 in the page. AFAIK the page title should be h1 and all other headings h2 or smaller.
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[13:25] Jyhem I'm really out of my league on the front of helpful suggestions, I'm afraid. I'm just glad you agree there's an issue :-/
[13:26] chibaguy I'd suggest not using h1 in the wiki text, unless it's functioning as the page title.
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[13:26] chibaguy That will help reduce the "big headings" appearance somewhat.
[13:27] jonnyb repolom
[13:27] Jyhem Hmm, I thought the h1 was the pagetitle, and the wiki parser would take care of downgrading ! to h2, !! to h3 when we have automatic pagetitle display, and get back to normal when pagetitle is switched off
[13:28] Jyhem hi jonnyb
[13:29] jonnyb isn't that dependent on the show page title pref? (in which case it looks like it's broken)
[13:31] Jyhem My point exactly. I expected the show page title pref to handle this and I see all my "!"s are h1 on https://themes.tiki.org/Layout+Templates
[13:31] chibaguy Ah, I didn't realize that was broken.
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[15:11] amette_ polom
[15:12] jonnyb pompom amette_
[15:12] amette_ Just to add to the earlier discussion: yes, I (and basically anyone I have shown a Tiki to) feel our headings are too big - yes, I remember that a long time ago I looked it up in the code that the show page title pref handled the correct rendering of ! to h1 or h2 - and, uhm, yes, I think that's it. :)
[15:12] amette_ heyho jonnyb :)
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[15:21] amette_ Is there a possibility to show some tracker fields only when having selected a certain option in another tracker field?
[15:23] amette_ What I mean is: I have a tracker for Locations and when creating tracker items and I select "Location type: hotel" from my drop down, I want to unhide the fields for "Rating" and "Amount of double-bed rooms".
[15:23] amette_ For every other type of location I don't need those fields.
[15:25] chibaguy hi amette_ . I think most of Tiki's themes use the same typography as default Bootstrap, so the headings might look big, but apparently that's a popular look.
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[15:26] amette_ hi chibaguy :)
[15:26] amette_ Yes, that is kind of a conundrum to me... why does it look "bad" only in Tiki and not anywhere else?
[15:27] amette_ I think that's the same feeling that Jyhem also mentioned earlier.
[15:27] chibaguy This page has some ideas (that I didn't read) but the text size is larger than ours, not so much smaller than the headings: http://typecast.com/blog/a-more-modern-scale-for-web-typography .
[15:27] amette_ I'm happy that we apparantly don't have the huuge amounts of space below the headings any more, that helps already, I think.
[15:27] chibaguy I'll do some checking around, for more ideas and examples.
[15:28] amette_ Cool, cheers! :)
[15:29] chibaguy http://type-scale.com/ - Wow, people seem to like big headings.
[15:29] amette_ lol, yep, looks like it :D
[15:30] amette_ Maybe it is that in Tiki there are so many modules around and the page is way more "fragmented"? type-scale.com is more like a classic print page, without stuff around, so the heading can be that dominant without looking too weird.
[15:30] amette_ (even though I think it is a tad too big ;) )
[15:31] chibaguy But it seems to me on actual sites, like nytimes.com or reuters.com, the big headings aren't so big.
[15:32] chibaguy (by 'actual' I mean not design sites but content-centered ones, such as news sites.)
[15:32] amette_ Yep, indeed, I agree.
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[15:47] Jyhem polom back
[15:47] amette_ remoloq
[15:48] amette_ no, moloqbw it should be... well, never mind *g*
[15:48] * Jyhem thinks people who have next to no content  favor big headings and the default bootstrap
[15:49] * amette_ favours the default bootstrap theme, too - it's so beautifully clean, simple, slick, stylish, minimalistic and whatnot
[15:49] amette_ I don't favour the big headings though. :)
[15:49] Jyhem but nothing else on our sites follows default bootstrap (modules, header, footer, etc), so the headings should not be the single thing which follows default bootstrap sizes
[15:50] Jyhem nytimes don't follow default bootstrap either, because they have content :)
[15:50] amette_ Hmm, that's true... or maybe everything else should follow default bootstrap, too?
[15:50] Jyhem you can forget about modules if you follow default bootstrap sizes
[15:51] amette_ hmm, ok, that's the thing I mentioned earlier, got you - I was thinking about the default theme in Tiki (which is also named "default bootstrap")
[15:53] Jyhem ohh, my "default bootstrap" mentions were not about the themes :-/
[15:55] Jyhem Now I wonder why themes are separate from layouts… Shouldn't a theme writer choose one layout?
[15:55] Jyhem (one of these is also called something boostrap)
[15:57] amette_ I know this is commercial, but I have to show it again - we can try to learn from it at least - it is like Tiki and it is bootstrap and it is beautiful: https://themes.getbootstrap.com/products/application
[15:57] amette_ And to be honest: it's broken for me right now... I only see a dark background...?!
[15:58] amette_ You can go on the main page to see a screenshot at least, if it is broken for you, too.
[15:59] amette_ Ah, it tries to load the CSS over HTTP and my chromium blocks that, since it's an HTTPs page. :-/
[16:01] Jyhem yup, all dark in FF as well
[16:02] amette_ And yes, I have been wondering about the correlation of layout and themes, too. It's hard to build themes that look good with all layouts, but at the end of the day I think it should be the site admins choice and not the theme creators which layout to use.
[16:04] Jyhem yes, the site looks good, but the contents page has no big headings
[16:04] amette_ yep
[16:04] Jyhem and the docs page has them, but loses everything else on the saides
[16:04] Jyhem s/saides/sides
[16:05] amette_ yep
[16:10] amette_ Right... disabling HTTPS Everywhere for the site and loading it non-encrypted makes it work: http://themes.getbootstrap.com/products/application
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[16:22] Tiki-KGB [FIX] search: Improve exact and quoted text search results for elasticsearch.
[16:22] Tiki-KGB Not 100% perfect (to retain support for elastic v1.x) but adding the AND operator at least makes most phrases match more accurately.
[16:22] Tiki-KGB MySQL and Lucene seem to be ok in this respect already (thanks marclaporte)
[16:47] chibaguy With our themes, I tried to make them at least useable and hopefully also attractive enough in each layout. But some may be suited more for one layout than another.
[16:48] chibaguy About Tiki modules and Bootstrap, the modules use Bootstrap's panel div, so there should be good compatibility with Bootstrap appearance overall.
[16:52] Jyhem yup, nice job chibaguy. I like the modules, and how they move down and enlarge in small screens
[16:53] chibaguy They don't have any set width now. For a few Tiki versions, they had a max width, but now the size depends on their containing grid div.
[16:53] chibaguy Unless the width is set specifically.
[16:53] Jyhem yes
[16:53] * Jyhem never was  a fan of fixed width anyway :)
[16:55] chibaguy :-)
[16:56] chibaguy talk to you later. Time for sleep here.
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[16:58] Tiki-KGB [FIX] trackers: When (for what ever reason) more than one tracker field is set to be the title, use the first one in the order the fields have been saved in (thanks marclaporte)
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[17:00] Tiki-KGB [bp/r57541][FIX] trackers: When (for what ever reason) more than one tracker field is set to be the title, use the first one in the order the fields have been saved in (thanks marclaporte)
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[17:08] Tiki-KGB [bp/r57543][bp/r57541][FIX] trackers: When (for what ever reason) more than one tracker field is set to be the title, use the first one in the order the fields have been saved in (thanks marclaporte)
[17:10] amette_ hmmm, seems I'm late... chibaguy's gone...
[17:10] amette_ ... but I have a problem with the module width you guys were talking about...
[17:11] amette_ ... I have a non-bootstrap menu in a module and it is wider than the module/column...
[17:11] amette_ ... so what is that "containing grid div" that chiba mentioned?
[17:12] jonnyb hi amette_
[17:12] amette_ hi jonnyb :)
[17:12] jonnyb there's a module param called containing class (or something) where you can set the class for the overall container div for a module
[17:13] jonnyb should appear in teh "apperance" tab when you edit it
[17:13] amette_ yep, got it "Containing Class - Custom CSS class of div around the module."
[17:14] amette_ So I set any class name there and then set a fixed width in custom CSS code or what is the idea here?
[17:16] amette_ Hmmm, ok, yes, that works, but then overlaps the middle column.
[17:18] amette_ And jonnyb : did you see my question earlier today regarding "dynamic display of tracker fields" or however one would call it?
[17:18] amette_ ‎[15:23:17] ‎amette_‎: What I mean is: I have a tracker for Locations and when creating tracker items and I select "Location type: hotel" from my drop down, I want to unhide the fields for "Rating" and "Amount of double-bed rooms".
[17:19] amette_ I meanwhile suppose there is no such thing and that would be a custom JQuery?!
[17:19] jonnyb 1 min pls...
[17:19] amette_ np, take your time :)
[17:34] amette_ Hmm, ok, the menu I could work around by shortening one of the menu items - would still be interested in what this containing div is supposed to help with.
[17:45] amette_ There are amazingly weird bugs in Tiki.... when setting "show_go_button=n" on the search module, the search function does not find pages by their title any more.  o.O
[17:48] jonnyb Re the "dynamic display of tracker fields" Xavi made a good page of how to do exactly that somewhere, let me see if i can find it...
[17:49] amette_ Ooooh, that would be _awesome_! :)
[18:03] jonnyb amette_: not suire this was the page i was thinking of but if has qiuite a few examples: https://doc.tiki.org/PluginJq#Conditional_display_of_fields
[18:04] jonnyb have to go and do some real world stuff now, maybe back later....
[18:04] amette_ Awesomes! That looks exactly like what I was looking for! Many thanks, jonnyb ! :)
[18:04] jonnyb super, good luck! :)
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