#tikiwiki 2016-09-27,Tue

chibaguy

hi Jyhem

Jyhem

hi chibaguy. we've been through that in Budapest: try to find which cli php executables are available to you by typing php followed with tabs (for auto-completion)

jonnyb

chibaguy: there's a param in setup.sh now where you can define your path to the php executable, -p i think

chibaguy

ok, great, I'll try those things.

[11:47]

Jyhem

yes, then you can either use that on command line for php scripts like console, or pass it as a param for setup.sh
jonnyb: not the full path, the executable is enough
(but it needs to be in the path, though)

[11:47]

jonnyb

chibaguy is on Windows, so maybe that's not supported?
bbl

[11:49]

luciash

hey guys!

[11:52]

chibaguy

hi luciash

[11:54]

luciash

chibaguy: yes, windoze, how do you run setup.sh on it?
chibaguy: it failed last time I tried here with Git Bash (something which came with installation of GitHub windoze client)

[11:54]

chibaguy

using command prompt
CMD

[11:55]

luciash

wow, does it work for you?

[11:55]

chibaguy

uh, I usually use it for composer updates. I'm not sure if it worked for setup before.
But today I'm getting the php version error in localhost trunk, as it's not finding php 7
Composer update in cmd has been working fine in branches with php5.5

[11:56]

luciash

it fails on the composer step here for me
setup.sh: line 607: /c/Program: No such file or directory
setup.sh: line 610: [: : integer expression expected
then it reports "The phar extension is missing."
"Install it or recompile php without --disable-phar"

[11:58]

chibaguy

Is that in branch15, on Windows?

[12:02]

luciash

on trunk, win10

[12:02]

chibaguy

ah.

[12:02]

luciash

but i expect same for branch15

chibaguy

well, in branch15 it goes smoothly for me.

luciash

yes, same error message for 15

chibaguy

hmm

luciash

but it also reports wrong PHP version for me - maybe it is related

[12:04]

chibaguy

maybe so.

[12:05]

luciash

it somehow detects it improperly also... first it says "Local PHP version >= required PHP version 56 - good"
but some lines later in the output it says "Your PHP (5.2.14) is too old, you must upgrade to PHP 5.3.2 or higher."
Jyhem: is not there a logic error in the message?

[12:05]

Jyhem

Jyhem is useless on windows issues :-(

[12:06]

luciash

first it says good and then... :-p
i think it reports the same on unixes

[12:06]

Jyhem

Jyhem guesses setup.sh cannot deal with spaces in paths :-(

[12:07]

luciash

first it says version 56 good and then if not good it yells ;)

[12:07]

Jyhem

yes, but it still uses the corrct one on unix

[12:08]

luciash

ah, but that issue with spaces could be easily fixed using "" or backslashes for the spaces probably, no?

[12:08]

Jyhem

Torsten spotted the message issue but he probably never got to doing something about it.

[12:09]

luciash

ah, i see

[12:09]

Jyhem

yes, someone on windows needs to experiment with strategically placed "s

[12:09]

luciash

let me try ;)

[12:10]

Jyhem

the issue with the message being, it's so late in the script it's really hard to figure out what should be printed, depending on wether the magic detection worked, or the correct param was passed, etc

[12:11]

chibaguy

At my hosted account, php for web serving was high enough version but php for the shell was too low and had to be set separately.

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Tiki|bot

New Forum Posts: Partial Fix to Structure Perms regression in 15.x+ - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=61336

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New Forum Posts: Partial Fix to Structure Perms regression in 15.x+ - https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=61336
New Forum Posts: edit toolbars glitch in trunk (59809) (and Tiki15?) - https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=61329
New Forum Posts: Google Adwords and Tiki - https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=61326

[12:41]

New Forum Posts: Partial Fix to Structure Perms regression in 15.x+ - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=61336
New Forum Posts: edit toolbars glitch in trunk (59809) (and Tiki15?) - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=61329
New Forum Posts: Google Adwords and Tiki - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=61326

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luciash

Jyhem: i think I have a fix for windoze... testing

[13:16]

chibaguy: anyway, I wonder sh setup.sh runs for you from cmd.exe - it yells 'sh' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. here
you must have some bash package support installed, no?

[13:23]

chibaguy

yes, I think so due to installing git or something ... I forgot when.

[13:27]

jonnyb

[13:30]

luciash

hi jonny!

[13:34]

jonnyb

hi luciash

[13:35]

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New Forum Posts: Partial Fix to Structure Perms regression in 15.x+ - https://suite.tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=61336
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[13:41]

Tiki-KGB

03luciash r59813 10trunk/setup.sh
[FIX] Windows: make the setup.sh run on Windows with bash installed where the path to cli php contains spaces like /c/Program Files/php

[13:44]

Tiki|bot

[13:51]

Tiki-KGB

03luciash r59814 10trunk/setup.sh
[FIX] bring back the if/else logic which was lost during the alternative php version check code enhancement
03luciash r59815 10branches/15.x/setup.sh
[bp/r59813][FIX] Windows: make the setup.sh run on Windows with bash installed where the path to cli php contains spaces like /c/Program Files/php
03jonnybradley r59816 10branches/ 1015.x/lib/toolbars/toolbarslib.php 1015.x
[bp/r59810][FIX] wysiwyg: Restore justify toolbar buttons (lost in r56656 probably a spell checker? Thanks Geoff, probably will be needed in 15.x too)

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[14:37]

Jyhem

polom back
bash is backwards compatible with "sh"
anything working with sh is supposed to work using bash

[14:48]

Tiki|bot

New Forum Posts: Fwd: Partial Fix to Structure Perms regression in 15.x+ - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=61337

[14:51]

Jyhem

meaning: no need to look for sh if bash is available

[14:51]

luciash

huh?
who is looking for sh ?

[14:53]

Jyhem

*someone* mentioned �it yells 'sh' is not recognized as an internal or external command�. I just wanted to make sure nobody was wasting time on this
I see I was wrong, np

[14:54]

luciash

it was just an issue with cmd.exe - in "gitbash", powershell or whatever it is it works here...
i was just wondering chibaguy managed somehow to make it work in the vanilla cmd.exe terminal as well
Jyhem: thanks anyway, i am not wasting time on it ;)
chibaguy: i have just installed php5.6 using the Microsoft Web Platform Installer 5.0

[14:56]

Tiki-KGB

03jonnybradley r59817 10trunk/lib/core/Search/Query/WikiBuilder.php
[FIX] tablesorter: Fix filtering on trackerrender formatted fields, seems to work on just about everything apart from categories

[15:04]

luciash

chibaguy: install it and then just run $ sh setup.sh -p "/c/Program Files/PHP/v5.6/php.exe"

[15:07]

Tiki-KGB

03jonnybradley r59818 10branches/ 1015.x 1015.x/lib/core/Search/Query/WikiBuilder.php
[bp/r59817][FIX] tablesorter: Fix filtering on trackerrender formatted fields, seems to work on just about everything apart from categories
03luciash r59819 10trunk/setup.sh
[FIX] Windows: several more cases to make the setup.sh run on Windows with bash installed where the path to cli php contains spaces like /c/Program Files/php - tested with sh setup.sh -p "/c/Program Files/PHP/v5.6/php.exe" command in GitHub "Git Shell"

[15:08]

luciash

chibaguy: oh, and svn up first ;)
chibaguy: hth
(backport is coming)
ah, but Jyhem/Torsten did not backport the -p enhancement afaics, so this will only work for trunk for you I suppose

[15:12]

chibaguy

ok, luciash, thanks.

[15:17]

Tiki-KGB

03luciash r59820 10branches/15.x/setup.sh
[bp/r59819][FIX] Windows: several more cases to make the setup.sh run on Windows with bash installed where the path to cli php contains spaces like /c/Program Files/php

[15:20]

luciash

chibaguy: so you have on localhost win with php7 ?
chibaguy: trunk? then just setting the path to it with -p should work now

[15:20]

Jyhem

well, tiki15 works with php5.5, doesn't it? so why backport?

[15:23]

luciash

someone can have 5.3 as default and 5.6 as an alternative
but not strictly necessary to backport, right

[15:24]

chibaguy

I've had php 5.5.2 for quite a while, but now seem to need newer php for trunk, so I installed bitnami wamp with php7 also.

[15:25]

luciash

chibaguy: so find the path to the bitnami's php7 and it should work

Jyhem

If not necessary, let's not backport. setup.sh should not be broken by "improvements" before it is fully tested.

luciash

php5.6 would be enough tho

Jyhem

As the windows situation showed

chibaguy

[15:27]

luciash

Jyhem: fine, just the issue with path with spaces was there already before, so i backported my fixes only

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[15:29]

luciash

Jyhem: ah, you mean, the if/then logic breakage, right
well, probably nope, but anyway... :) better to test, I agree

[15:29]

Jyhem

Jyhem does not know of if/then logic breakage

[15:31]

luciash

LOL

[15:32]

Jyhem

Jyhem thought the path with spaces was breaking if/then logic
Jyhem still spends his days on Tiki15

[15:32]

luciash

Jyhem: at 12:09 you apparently knew of it still ;) "12:09 < Jyhem> Torsten spotted the message issue but he probably never got to doing something about it."
Jyhem: anyway, it is fixed now
in r59814

[15:34]

Jyhem

ahh, that's not "broken", that's merely "confusing" for me :)
I thought you were talking about � setup.sh: line 610: [: : integer expression expected �

[15:36]

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[15:37]

Jyhem

Ohhh, the svn upgrading of show.to instances finally finished some time tonight after: 378m56.103s
that's more than 6 hours:)
nice

[15:38]

xavi

polom
regarding show.t.o, I created one today (from an old bug report), and it failed to run sh setup.sh apparently

[15:39]

jonnyb

Yay, well done Jyhem!
xavi: did you cehck the install_log.txt?

[15:40]

xavi

nope. checking
I just sw this so far: Your Tiki is not completely installed because Composer has not been run to fetch package dependencies. You need to run sh setup.sh from the command line.
install log shows nothing rare, afaik: http://xavi-9794-5916.show.tikiwiki.org/info.txt
maybe missing info? I'm not used to see those log files)

[15:42]

jonnyb

it's http://xavi-9794-5916.show.tikiwiki.org/install_log.txt
looks like that one missed Jyhem's svn upgrade sweep

[15:43]

xavi

oh well, the bug report says: "The install log is at http://xavi-9794-5916.show.tikiwiki.org/info.txt "

[15:44]

luciash

Jyhem: nice :)
xavi: hola!
xavi: and there it is :)

[15:47]

xavi

hi luciash

[15:52]

luciash

Jyhem: can you run svn upgrade for http://xavi-9794-5916.show.tikiwiki.org/ ?
how could it be missed? hmm
btw, I think "we" should do something about this: https://webgallery.microsoft.com/apps/Tiki
missing image and 9.6? seriously?

[15:52]

jonnyb

wow, that's old!
We had someone looking after thast for a while didn't we? Greg someone?

[15:56]

Jyhem

was it created today?

[15:57]

xavi

yes
I?ll remove and create a gain

[15:58]

Jyhem

oh :-(
no, wait

[15:58]

xavi

ok, I wait

[15:58]

luciash

jonnyb: maybe, apparently he is gone from that

[15:59]

jonnyb

luciash: i guess so :(

[16:00]

Jyhem

obviously, I need to untar all source ones, do svn upgrade and tar again :-(
For the new ones
xavi: does it work?

[16:00]

luciash

wow, what means "all source ones" ? this was trunk, right ?
btw, any idea what is the rule for putting trunk 13.x and 12.x only in those which should be svnupped?
in doc/devtools/tim/tim-common
line 13
sounds weird to me

[16:04]

xavi

Jyhem: now I see the login page to type in db credentials to access the installer

[16:07]

Jyhem

xavi: now?

xavi

yes

Jyhem

http://xavi-9794-5916.show.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php

xavi

ah, oups, no
it shows homepage. it seems to have taken a loooong way

yes/no: whatever, I mean it currently shows the show instance as expected
thks jyhem

Jyhem

np
luciash: this was done a long time ago, I can't remember specifics right now

[16:13]

Tiki-KGB

03luciash r59821 10trunk/doc/devtools/tim/tim-create
[FIX] just to be sure it does not fail when svn format of the working copy changes again

[16:14]

luciash

does it mean 15.x show instances are never svn upped?

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Tiki-KGB

03jonnybradley r59822 10trunk/ 10templates/tiki-admin_structures.tpl 10templates/tiki-edit_structure.tpl 10tiki-edit_structure.php
[FIX] structures: Expose link to object permission management for wiki structures to allow object perms - also check structure perm as well as the wiki perm.
There's still some overlap/confusion as to where the structure perms are applied so more work required on this i expect (thanks Xavi)

[16:24]

Jyhem

sorry luciash, now that everybody seems unstuck, I'd really like to make progress on my current contract work
maybe tonight I find time for composer.to or show.to

[16:25]

luciash

interesting - is it a new level of permissions? we have global perms, category perms, object perms... where does this slip in? between category perms and object perms?
Jyhem: np, i was just wondering

[16:25]

jonnyb

luciash: you mean in r59822? It's object perms, no new type
the trouble is that structure perms were sort of based on the top page perms so it was confused as to whether we were talkng about page perms or structure ones

[16:26]

luciash

jonnyb: yep, so what happens if you have top parent page in structure with those structure perms and some page inside the structure has own object perms? does it simply ignore the object perms of the wiki page or do they override the structure object perms of the parent page?
yes, i am still confused :)

[16:28]

jonnyb

well the aim was to make structure perms apply to structures and page perms apply to pages (they are different object types)

[16:29]

luciash

ah, so you can still view the page, just not in the structure for example?

[16:30]

jonnyb

it's only edit, lock, watch and admin - view is still per page

[16:33]

luciash

aaah, all right, i was assuming there is some view_structure perm
my bad
i hope adding the svn upgrade command to TIM will help to prevent the show issue in the future (it seems fast enough when the svn working copy is up-to-date already)
c ya, bbl

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Tiki-KGB

03jonnybradley r59823 10trunk/lib/structures/structlib.php
[REF] structures: Remove an unused function that was full of errors (introduced in r46430 but no other reference to it found now, if it was being used i cannot see how it could have worked)

[16:40]

xavi

jonny, only local perms for a structure (without global) do not allow to edit the structure (add new pages to it is not possible). But at least with global and local we can setup all use cases, so thanks for your commits and fix

[16:41]

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New Forum Posts: Fwd: Partial Fix to Structure Perms regression in 15.x+ - http://translation.tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=61337
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New Forum Posts: edit toolbars glitch in trunk (59809) (and Tiki15?) - http://translation.tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=61329

[16:42]

xavi

oh well, sorry, I unteted categs, I leave that for Geoff (I don't use categ perms in production myself, to be honest, don't tell anyone ;-) )
s/unteted/untested

[16:42]

jonnyb

hope it helps a bit, i think a more complete revamp is really required

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Morning All

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New Forum Posts: Fwd: Partial Fix to Structure Perms regression in 15.x+ - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=61337
New Forum Posts: Partial Fix to Structure Perms regression in 15.x+ - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=61336
New Forum Posts: edit toolbars glitch in trunk (59809) (and Tiki15?) - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=61329

[16:52]

ipfreely

Can i display a item link to annonymous?
i have set permissions for tracker for annonymous view, and in wiki page in anonymous view
everything else works

[16:54]

xavi

hi ipfreely, yes you can, it's a matter of granting the required perms in both trackers

[16:55]

ipfreely

but when its supposed to display a list via item link, it only displays "---"

[16:55]

xavi

otherwise, please report bug a create a show.t.o instance to reproduce it. thnks

[16:56]

ipfreely

those are the only permissions to set yes?
view trackers in both trackers
im trying to add an item in wiki, i have set wiki perms to view by anonymous
am i missing another permission?

[16:56]

jonnyb

hi ipfreely

[16:58]

ipfreely

hi jonnyb

[16:58]

jonnyb

so can admins or registered see the right thing?
and how are you adding the item link in the wiki page?

[17:00]

ipfreely

hrrm, lemme check registered
admin can see it when logged in
lemme check registered, brb

[17:01]

Tiki|bot

New Forum Posts: List plugin tip - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=61347

[17:03]

ipfreely

ahh
registered
cannot see it
only admin can see it
so registered and annonymous cannot see the link, only admin

[17:03]

jonnyb

what do you mean by "display a list via item link"?
brb

[17:04]

ipfreely

tracker A is a registration tracker for students tracker b has course dates that students to choose.
tracker A has a item link field
to display the dates in tracker b
am i doing something wrong? reading the wiki about item link and item list, it almost seems like im using item link wrong

[17:06]

jonnyb

so this is in a wiki page?

[17:09]

ipfreely

yes
the wiki page has a {tracker} entry to input the data

[17:10]

jonnyb

ah, ok, and the tracker the {tracker} plugin uses has an itemlink field, which appears ok for admins but not ithers... hmm - odd
ithers/others

[17:15]

ipfreely

yes, exactly

[17:15]

jonnyb

how about search permission? ItemLink uses the unified search in some modes, so maybe tiki_p_search is needed?

[17:16]

ipfreely

lemme try

[17:16]

luciash

[17:17]

ipfreely

i allowed tiki_p_search globally for anonymous to test, no change
am i using item_link field correctly?
im gonna go through all the global permissions, see if theres anything thats related somehow
thanks guy, if i get stuck, ill come back to you ;)
guys

[17:20]

luciash

ipfreely: did you clear your tiki cache already and/or did you try search index rebuild?

[17:28]

Tiki-KGB

03xavidp r59824 10trunk/templates/tiki-admin_structures.tpl
[FIX]Expose link to structure permissions also to users with tiki_p_admin and not only those with local perm on the specific structure

[17:38]

ipfreely

luciash, no, not yet, but i will try it now, thanks

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Jyhem

polom back
Anyone knows what �'legacy_index' => 3,� stands for in lib/core/Tracker/Field/ItemLink.php ??

[17:57]

jonnyb

Jyhem: yes it was from when LP changed field options from having to be in the same order as a horrible string (like "0,1,itemId" etc) to having proper names so upgrades would work
so it's only for use when upgrading from tiki 11 or whenever that was

[18:02]

xavi

done for the day (probably). c u

[18:05]

Jyhem

jonnyb: but now the field only displays "
Multiple Fields
Display the values from multiple fields instead of a single one.
"
and there is no input field

[18:06]

jonnyb

where?

[18:07]

Jyhem

In a Tiki I upgraded from tiki12 to 15
and the drop-down shows a combined label with the value plus the itemId, so I wondered if this was the offending field
only the content is not accessible

[18:07]

jonnyb

is the search index working?

[18:09]

Jyhem

rebuilding now
YES!!!!
that was it, thanks jonnyb
when I edit the field, I can now select from a multiple drop-down of the dields
s/dields/fields

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jonnyb

[18:14]

ipfreely

lol
X2
rebuild search index for me too!!!
works now
thanks all ;)

[18:15]

jonnyb

woo hoo! yes, lots of tiki doesn't work properly if the search index is unhappy

[18:16]

ipfreely

should i set a crontab for this?

[18:17]

Jyhem

we need a combined clear-caches/rebuild-index console command :)

[18:17]

ipfreely

how often should this be done?
im ashamed to admit mine was from march

[18:18]

Jyhem

Jyhem wonders about nightly index rebuilds also

[18:20]

jonnyb

on busy sites i usually have an overnight index:rebuild cron going, but don't worry about the caches (on some "lower priority sites i also run svnup.sh every hour or so, which does database:update and clears caches too)
Note: that if you do and svn up and the database does need updating it stops tthe index rebuild from working (that got me last week)

[18:31]

ipfreely

how would you guys handle custom events? for example, now that a user has created a item in the tracker, i wanna use the email field in that tracker item to send an email to him as a "confirmation"

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[18:38]

Jyhem

I feel there are some places where some reindexing is missing. I wonder if there is a simple way of fixing these things?
Jyhem would settle for "documented way", is "simple way" is too much :)

[18:41]

jonnyb

how do you mean?

[18:42]

Jyhem

Example: http://www.promusa.org/blogpost190-The-workings-and-impact-of-a-world-class-collection uses LIST plugin (youhouuu), and the filter is a gallery_id
when one notices that there is a thumbnail in the gallery, one moves the thumbnail to another gallery to remove it from the LIST
But the thumbnail still stays there.
But reuploading the thumbnail (not moving it) makes it go away
an obvious issue of some reindexing not triggered by moves, but triggered on uploads
and I wonder how I could fix that
BTW, I believe Benard mentioned such an issue some months ago, when I had not managed to get any of my customers to use LIST yet

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[18:51]

jonnyb

yes, the index needs refreshing but presumably the code to do it is missing
easiest way is to do $tx = TikiDb::get()->begin(); before the move and then $tx->commit(); afterwards (might work?)

[18:53]

Jyhem

$tx being just any var name?

[18:58]

jonnyb

yes, it's an instance of TikiDb
i'm not 100% sure it works with everything but worth a go
the old way way to use refresh_index() in lib/search/refresh-functions.php

[18:59]

Jyhem

Thanks, there is a similar issue with changing Item link targets :-(

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[19:01]

Jyhem

I hope it's not the same thing as running php console.php index:rebuild which takes 2 minutes on that site

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New Forum Posts: List plugin tip - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=61347
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