#tikiwiki 2017-05-23,Tue

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Tiki-KGB	03jyhem r62694 10trunk/setup.sh * [FIX] Ooops, option -p was lost 03jyhem r62695 10branches/17.x/ 10(16 files in 3 dirs) [FIX] Make all these mandatory_star stars consistent so users and theme creators can style them	[01:50]
	03jyhem r62696 10branches/ 10(12 files in 10 dirs) [FIX] Make all these mandatory_star stars consistent so users and theme creators can style them (completes r62695)	[02:08]
	03jyhem r62697 10branches/ 10(12 files in 10 dirs) * [FIX] Rolls back r62696 (I was not in the directory I thought I was in) 03jyhem r62698 10branches/17.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tracker.php [FIX] Make all these mandatory_star stars consistent so users and theme creators can style them (completes r62695) 03jyhem r62699 10(17 files in 4 dirs) [FIX][bpr62695][bp/r62698] Make all these mandatory_star stars consistent so users and theme creators can style them	[02:22]
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Tiki-KGB	03chealer r62700 10trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_module.php * Rename from "Insert Module" to simply "Module"	[04:32]
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Tiki-KGB	03amnabilal r62701 10branches/17.x/lib/pdflib.php * [Fix]Fixed formatting issues in pdf due to extra attributes in html tag.	[09:14]
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luciash	polom	[09:48]
Bsfez	polom	[09:49]
luciash	shalom B	[09:49]
Bsfez	shalom L dev doc and themes are down...	[09:49]
luciash	what can we do when sysadmins are unavailable?	[10:03]
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Bsfez	... ahhh do you remember how to switch branch ? :D	[10:43]
luciash	Bsfez: yes, it is on the Google :D	[10:44]
Bsfez	haaaaa try it and tell me what you find dev is down :D	[10:44]
luciash	svn switch path/to/branch I guess Bsfez: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=svn+switch	[10:45]
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luciash	hei amette__ :)	[10:48]
amette__	hey luciash	[10:49]
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luciash	amette__: miten menee?	[10:50]
amette__	ihan ok ok, sites are back	[10:52]
Bsfez	ha ha ha :D Hi Amette (just as I figured it out : svn switch https://svn.code.sf.net/p/tikiwiki/code/branches/17.x	[10:53]
amette__	hi Bsfez Bsfez : you need a period (".") at the end, I gues s That is, if you are in the webroot. What I mean is: "svn switch https://svn.code.sf.net/p/tikiwiki/code/branches/17.x webroot/"	[10:57]
Bsfez	haaa... not sure, I did a test on a dev server and it worked. So now the main tiki... we'll see :D	[11:03]
amette__	I'd be very wary.It can go wrong without. It did with the next script, I had to adapt it.	[11:03]
Bsfez	it worked ok without the "."	[11:03]
amette__	Speaking of which: next step, next sites.	[11:03]
Bsfez	but thanks :)	[11:03]
amette__	It won't always. Wait for conflicts or such.	[11:04]
Bsfez	yes yes yes ! next servers ?	[11:04]
amette__	there is only one next server	[11:06]
Bsfez	ok	[11:06]
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Bsfez	so you wanted to talk about the next server (cause we need it)	[11:10]
jonnyb	morning all	[11:10]
Bsfez	Hi Jonny	[11:10]
luciash	morning jonnyb amette__: what was the culprit? (for the sites down)	[11:10]
jonnyb	jonnyb waves	[11:10]
amette__	hi jonnyb luciash : innodb buffer pool size grew bigger than RAM. I'm a bit surprised that it could happen after such a long time, but apparently there is still some fine more tuning needed.	[11:10]
luciash	ah, indeed	[11:12]
amette__	Bsfez : no, didn't want to talk about them, just fix them	[11:14]
luciash	:D	[11:14]
jonnyb	amette__: sorry i didn't get back to you yesterday, meetings ran into each other all afternoon... then i had to lie down! ;)	[11:15]
amette__	jonnyb : no worries, all good	[11:15]
Bsfez	oh thanks Amette for taking care of next ! I still got a lot of error with setup.sh and composer (on 17x)	[11:15]
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Bsfez	that's funny... after updating a 16 -> 17 the tiki says it is logged in... as "Anonymous" :D	[11:44]
jonnyb	that's odd Bsfez even after clearing all the caches etc?	[11:46]
Bsfez	yes the first load after setup.sh + d:u + i:r + c:c --all I logged out but I never saw that before :)	[11:47]
jonnyb	most weird	[11:48]
Bsfez	creepy ! (and I don't have a user named "Anonymous")	[11:49]
jonnyb	was this showing in the login module?	[11:51]
Bsfez	the login popup at the top	[11:52]
Jyhem	you don't need the --all any more	[11:55]
Bsfez	Hi Jyhem yes I'm still using "old" command (I saw discussion about improvement)... details / ?	[11:56]
jonnyb	update time, brb	[11:58]
amette__	ok, will have to run a quick errand, max. 1h, bbl	[12:07]
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	back (that was a biggie!)	[12:25]
luciash	big update?	[12:34]
amette__	re, too	[12:34]
jonnyb	yup, minor OS update took 30 minutes! :O	[12:35]
amette__	That's windoze territory.	[12:35]
jonnyb	:P	[12:37]
amette__	;)	[12:38]
luciash	:)	[12:38]
Tiki-KGB	03jonnybradley r62702 10branches/17.x/templates/admin/include_profiles.tpl * [FIX] profiles: Show prefs to export on page load 03jonnybradley r62703 10trunk/lib/pdflib.php 10trunk 10trunk/templates/admin/include_profiles.tpl * [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/17.x 62691 to 62702	[12:48]
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	ok, I think I found all bugs and nextdev should be back online in half an hour or so. I'll be away for a bit while the refresh runs. bbl	[15:57]
jonnyb	hi hi, was just about to check in and see how you're doing amette_ - good news! :) (hopefully)	[16:06]
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luciash	coolio	[16:28]
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Tiki-KGB	03kroky6 r62704 10trunk/lib/core/Tracker/Field/ItemsList.php [ENH] ItemsList ability to list items based on ItemLink/DynamicItemList based in the same tracker	[17:16]
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amette_	are the star names documented anywhere? they aren't even mentioned on the doc pages correlating to versions. I thought somewhere they were mentioned.	[17:31]
	and btw: yes, nextdev really works :) next-doc/themes next	[17:36]
luciash	amette_: great! yeah, we have them somewhere... amette_: mainly they are here > https://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki/files/ amette_: also https://tiki.org/All+Releases	[17:41]
amette_	luciash : Awesome!! Thanks! :)	[17:45]
luciash	amette_: I see some are missing ;)	[17:46]
amette_	I found the svn, too... but that's not presentable to a normal user. luciash : right, looks like more people than just us forgot about that page. ;)	[17:47]
luciash	g who are you going to present it to? (just curious)	[17:47]
amette_	Right now I just came up with it in discussion with a friend, because he sent me a link that Tabby's Star is acting up again in recent days. So I was like "Oh, yeah, did you know that Tiki 16 was named after that star!?" and then looked dumb cause I couldn't prove it... :P ... but having experienced that: it's gonna be handy to know this URL in the next client meeting in which we come to talk about the star names.	[17:49]
luciash	yeah. would be nice if you join us! :) last time we were just 6 admins there :-p ah, client meeting, sorry, I thought TRM Tiki Roundtable Meeting	[17:57]
amette_	Ah, right, yes, I need to try and make the TRM a habit...	[17:59]
luciash	+1! :)	[17:59]
amette_	:)	[17:59]
luciash	have you seen the recording (or a part of it?)? ;)	[18:00]
amette_	no, I haven't... are there good topics in it?	[18:00]
luciash	heheh, they are listed on https://tiki.org/Roundtable+Meeting+2017+05	[18:01]
amette_	Right... I was trying to find that right now...	[18:02]
luciash	you decide if they are good for you ;)	[18:02]
jonnyb	hey woo, https://nextdev.tiki.org/Development is back (but still on trunk sadly) https://nextdoc.tiki.org still being refreshed...	[18:02]
amette_	... there seem to be issues with the search there... favouring the devel-list !? see https://tiki.org/tiki-searchindex.php?filter~content=round+table+meeting	[18:02]
luciash	hey	[18:03]
jonnyb	all the starts are here, btw https://sourceforge.net/p/tikiwiki/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/lib/setup/twversion.class.php	[18:03]
amette_	I had the same problem when searching for the star names... I had lots and lots of mailing list posts instead of wiki pages. Ok, that's the coder's answer! :)	[18:03]
jonnyb	you can use the facet result pickers on teh right hand side to select wiki pages only	[18:04]
luciash	hmm, when I filter by wiki page, only two results? object	[18:04]
amette_	luciash : Need to put "roundtable" in one word. :(	[18:05]
jonnyb	brb	[18:05]
luciash	ah, roundtable must be together	[18:05]
amette_	yep	[18:05]
luciash	m-conn :)	[18:05]
amette_	and then it doesn't matter to filter or not	[18:05]
luciash	https://tiki.org/tiki-searchindex.php?filter%7Econtent=roundtable+meeting&filter%7Eobject_type=%22wiki+page%22&filter%7Elanguage=&filter%7Edeep_categories=&filter%7Ecategories=&filter%7Etitle_initial=&filter%7Etitle_firstword=	[18:05]
amette_	yep, yep ;) sooo... is that a bug report at Elastic.co or at dev.tiki.org !? Another thing, I just noticed... why do we offer "Stay in SSL mode" on dev.tiki.org? Why don't we just do it by default? I don't think we should have any performance issues by doing SSL all the time.	[18:05]
jonnyb	+1 for ssl always	[18:11]
amette_	apropos performance - am I imagining or is dev.tiki.org leaps and bounds faster than before?	[18:11]
jonnyb	maybe we need to add freetags on those pages with round and table separately	[18:11]
amette_	jonnyb : ok, cool. I'll try and conf that on dev	[18:12]
luciash	+1 for ssl no matter what	[18:12]
amette_	jonnyb : I would have imagined that elasticsearch would be smart enough to find that in one word evem though we enter it with the idiot's space in betwen luciash : cool! :)	[18:12]
luciash	can be set up in tiki admin only afaik	[18:13]
jonnyb	or maybe we should use two separate words as "roundtable" isn't actually an English word? ;)	[18:13]
luciash	round-table maybe	[18:13]
amette_	Hoooo-ly shit! luciash and I wrote it right.	[18:13]
luciash	we invent Tiki words ;)	[18:14]
jonnyb	:D	[18:14]
amette_	hrhr ;)	[18:14]
luciash	it is allowed ;) http://www.dictionary.com/browse/roundtable	[18:15]
amette_	still I thought elastic would be that smart or what is all that lucene stuff about being smart about people typing and things!? or am I imagining again? hehe	[18:15]
luciash	http://www.thefreedictionary.com/roundtable amette_: yeah, I would have thought so too amette_: apropos performance, if it is fast we do not notice, we notice only when it is sloooow ;)	[18:16]
amette_	luciash : yeah, I know :-/	[18:18]
luciash	amette_: but I do not find it super fast (thanks to piwik)	[18:19]
amette_	I'm running all of MySQL in RAM and everything comes from SSD. Especially the first part works wonders, as far as I can tell.	[18:19]
luciash	(not logged in) SSD is cool!	[18:19]
amette_	piwik slows it down? MySQL in RAM is muuuch cooler, believe me!	[18:20]
luciash	initial load of the site it seems to me	[18:20]
amette_	Well, ok, I can live with the initial load (that SSD must be the limiting factor there ;) ). Or do you mean initial load of piwik.tiki.org ?	[18:20]
luciash	as far as it does not crash I believe you ! ;) i mean load of dev.tiki.org	[18:20]
amette_	yeah, I'm willing to put more RAM to it, don't worry. ok, yep, initial loading can take a while for dozens of reasons... mainly because we have dozens of assets to load, that your browser needs to check, if they were modified	[18:21]
	Ok, I think now the SSL always thingy works... I couldn't set session_protected to 'y' or it would end in a redirect loop, but looks, like I'm not in HTTPs always. Let's see how this works out. And regarding performance: click on a tracker item, try go making a tea, you won't get up from your seat before it has loaded. Listing all tracker items is the most painful thing and it's still bearable.	[18:30]
Tiki-KGB	03jonnybradley r62705 10branches/17.x/templates/tiki-admingroups.tpl [FIX] groups: Prevent the footer modules appearing directly under the "add to" / "ban from" group panel and covering up the member checkboxes etc (curious layout, not re-indented, TODO in trunk later... maybe)	[18:34]
amette_	s/like I'm not/like I'm/	[18:34]
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luciash	amette_: :)	[18:53]
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quirkymcardle	joined #tikiwiki Hi, group. New to TW and could use some advice about site navigation. Can anybody advise if it's possible to use the TOC for a structure as navigation for the wiki so that users see that on my home page? thanks in advance for any insight.	[19:34]
	I am thinking that what I need to do is make a menu module that refers to the structure TOC. If that's possible.	[19:42]
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Tiki-KGB	03jonnybradley r62706 10trunk/templates/tiki-admingroups.tpl 10trunk * [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/17.x 62702 to 62705	[19:56]
jonnyb	hi quirkymcardle, welcome to Tiki! :) short answer, yes - stick a menu module where you want it (often in the toppbar zone) and set the structure id in the module properties probably more info on here: https://doc.tiki.org/Structure+User (i have to go now, see you next time!)	[19:56]
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Tiki-KGB	03chealer r62707 10trunk/tiki-view_tracker_item.php [REF] Stop assigning Smarty variable $id_fields No idea what this did, but no occurence of "id_fields" in any template Remove presumably related comment "dynamic list process"	[22:38]
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Tiki-KGB	03chealer r62708 10trunk/tiki-view_tracker_item.php [REF] Stop defining $fid and $ins_id Apparently unused	[22:52]
	03chealer r62709 10trunk/tiki-view_tracker_item.php * [REF] Rename $xfields "fieldDefinitions" and simplify 03chealer r62710 10trunk/tiki-view_tracker_item.php * [REF] Optimize (move if earlier)	[23:02]
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