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[00:28] fabricius wodwod
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[01:28] Jyhem fabricius: how are you ?
[01:28] Jyhem Ready for Fosdem? We'll have tote bags after all :-)
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[10:20] Tiki|bot Recent Bug:  - http://dev.tiki.org/item6542
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[14:22] Arun Hi
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[14:54] RadoS Moin. When using "{toc}", the resulting list can become quite lengthy. What's a simple way to make the output multi-column?
[14:57] RadoS Since there is no ready-to-use option, I guess css would be the way to go?! But how?
[14:57] fabricius Hello RadoS
[14:58] fabricius you could limit the levels. maybe you could limit to sections and put the section tocs into cards / panels / columns
[14:59] RadoS fabricius, nah, it (ab-)used as glossary(all pages) overview, so skipping entries is not helpful here. :-/
[14:59] RadoS +'s
[15:00] fabricius then I do not know RadoS
[15:01] * RadoS tries #css for quick&dirty hack.
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[15:08] Arun1 Hi all
[15:09] Arun1 Is anyone here?
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[15:13] Arun1 Hi - I have a new tikiwiki site which works fine for almost everything - pages load up quickly, all functionality works -the only issue is that it takes about 20 seconds to save changed content in a page. Ive spoken at length to our webhost and they claim the issue is not with their hosting .... is it normal for page saves to take that long, and if not what might be causing it?
[15:16] Arun1 For info I have v 17.1 instralled
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[15:25] Arun1 is there anyone there
[15:26] Jyhem_laptop Hi Arun1
[15:26] Jyhem_laptop I'm here but I don't know the answer to the question
[15:27] Arun1 do you use tikiwiki?
[15:28] Jyhem_laptop My guesses might be: your page changes might send out many mail notifications, or sending mails takes too long
[15:28] Arun1 only one mail notification is sent
[15:28] Arun1 how long dows it normally takje to save simple page contenty?
[15:29] Jyhem_laptop or you have too many logging?
[15:29] Arun1 logs were off
[15:29] Arun1 at the moment i am trying to find out is this is abnormal
[15:30] Jyhem_laptop nothing in tiki-admin_actionlog.php ?
[15:30] Arun1 hang on will look
[15:31] Jyhem_laptop tiki-admin.php?page=performance might have interesting things to say
[15:32] Arun1 where is the actual log created by tiki-admin_actionlog.php?
[15:32] Jyhem_laptop Also you could disable incremental search in tiki-admin.php?page=search just i order to know if that's the thing that slows down saving pages
[15:34] Jyhem_laptop tiki-admin_actionlog.php has 2 tabs. The second one says what is logged and what can be looked up
[15:34] Jyhem_laptop Usually, nothing can be looked up so the first tab does not allow searching the log
[15:35] Jyhem_laptop By default, "Updated 	Page Wiki" is logged and also "Created Pag Wiki"
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[15:35] Jyhem_laptop are loged
[15:35] Jyhem_laptop *logged
[15:36] Arun1 OK I have set all the wiki age settings, where do I actually see the log?
[15:37] Jyhem_laptop In the first tab of tiki-admin_actionlog.php
[15:37] jonnyb pompom polom
[15:37] Jyhem_laptop you should see filtering options
[15:37] Jyhem_laptop hi jonnyb
[15:37] Arun1 That just shows Report and Filter and thats it
[15:37] jonnyb hi Jyhem_laptop
[15:38] Jyhem_laptop we are wondering what could slow down saving page changed content
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[15:40] Jyhem_laptop Arun1: no way of selecting dates or groups or users?
[15:40] Arun1 In Perfoance this is showing:
[15:40] Arun1 Some PHP.INI settings that can increase performance  ‘realpath_cache_size setting’: 16K (percentage used 99.8 %) ‘realpath_cache_ttl setting’: 120 seconds
[15:40] Arun1 no nothing is showing apart from Report and Filter
[15:41] jonnyb I meant to catch up with you Jyhem_laptop about a commit i did on tracker field layout - http://sourceforge.net/p/tikiwiki/code/65196 as i trod om some code you did i think, just wanted to check it didn't mess up what you needed?
[15:41] jonnyb slow page saving might be casued by incremental indexing maybe? turn that off and see if it's quick again
[15:42] Arun1 I did that jobbyb and that made no difference
[15:42] Arun1 jonnyb!
[15:42] jonnyb :)
[15:43] jonnyb which version of tiki are you on? (trunk has some performance issues at the moment)
[15:43] Arun1 17.1
[15:43] Arun1 and it was the same on 17.0
[15:44] jonnyb and the database - myisam or innodb? (not sure what the performance issues are but there are differences, espescially with biog tables)
[15:44] jonnyb biog/big
[15:45] Arun1 mysqli
[15:46] Arun1 its not a big site at present im just getting it set up
[15:46] Jyhem_laptop jonnyb: I look it up (the commit)
[15:46] Arun1 just trying to convince users to use it
[15:46] Arun1 they like it ( with the exception of slow page saves :) )
[15:47] jonnyb Arun1: so probably myisam (ithese are the storage engines mysql uses, myisam is the default... in 17.x)
[15:47] jonnyb how much memory on the server?
[15:48] jonnyb Jyhem_laptop: that commit was to make this sort of user tracker reg page look "normal" :) https://tiki.org/tiki-register.php?key=randomstring
[15:48] Arun1 I need to check - its a VPS host from Inmotion HOsting
[15:48] jonnyb i.e. all the inputs the same width and the decriptions be under the fields they describe
[15:49] jonnyb Arun1: ok, if it's got very tiny RAM, like under 1GB tiki might struggle
[15:49] Arun1 4GB Ram
[15:50] Arun1 is there a way to change the database to myisam once mysqui is used?
[15:52] Jyhem_laptop jonnyb: you mean deal with the "Real Name" and "Why do you want to register for the Tiki project website?" fields like we deal with the rest?
[15:53] Arun1 In tiki-admin.php?page=performance this shows - could that be an issue? :
[15:54] jonnyb do you have phpmyadmin or similar installed? if so that will tell you the storage engine of each table (afaik mysqli is the connection type, and tiki uses PDO now, and mysqui is just a typo i'm guessing? ;) )
[15:54] Arun1 Some PHP.INI settings that can increase performance  ‘realpath_cache_size setting’: 16K (percentage used 99.8 %) ‘realpath_cache_ttl setting’: 120 seconds
[15:54] Arun1 yes i have phomyadmin
[15:54] jonnyb probably wouldn't make much difference - which version of php do you have there?
[15:54] Arun1 5.6
[15:55] Arun1 let me check the storage engine if i can find it
[15:55] Arun1 MyISAM
[15:55] jonnyb Jyhem_laptop: all the tracker fields use col-md-4 but the registration fields use col-sm-8 (until my commit)
[15:56] Arun1 in local.php i have: $db_tiki='mysqli';
[15:56] Arun1 i think that was an option on setup
[15:56] jonnyb ok Arun1, changing that probsably wouldn't make much difference with small tables and presumably few (one) user/s
[15:57] jonnyb sorry, i have to fix some stuff blocking tiki 18.0 - maybe we can try more later (but i think you probably need more RAM)
[15:57] Arun1 isnt 4GM enough?
[15:57] Arun1 GB
[16:03] jonnyb sorry, missed that - 4GB is plenty :)
[16:03] Arun1 :)
[16:03] jonnyb which type of search index are you using? (if you didn't change it, it will be mysql)
[16:04] Arun1 didnt change it
[16:07] Jyhem_laptop jonnyb: yes, it's a pity we don't do it the other way (all in 8 cols) just because we need the extra room for mandatory asterisks. But I figure there is no way around this
[16:07] * Jyhem_laptop tries on a real-life project. code gazing is a bit useless here
[16:08] jonnyb ah yes, i moved the mandy asterisks back the just after the labels again, as they were wrapping round on to the next row, and the registration form has them after the label anyway - seemed better to be consistent
[16:09] jonnyb shame, looks like https://next.tiki.org/tiki-register.php?key=randomstring isn't up to date even (should be on trunk by now)
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[16:12] Arun1 I can see the logs now - didnt clck " reporting" only "recording " but cant see anything useful
[16:14] jonnyb yes, the logs interface needs some love... one day ;)
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[16:15] Arun1 ;)
[16:16] Deeku_ Good to see an Indian name in the chat list, Arun.
[16:16] jonnyb hi Deeku_
[16:17] Arun1 aha,  Indian in name only, my surname is Italian and I an British
[16:17] Arun1 is there any way to log what is actually happening when the save button is pressed to give a clue as wo what is holding things up?
[16:18] Deeku_ Ok! Then it falls upon me to keep the flag flying by myself for a while longer. :-)
[16:18] Arun1 :)
[16:19] jonnyb not easily Arun1 (welcome fellow Brit! ;) ) - do you code?
[16:19] Deeku_ Yo Jonny
[16:19] Arun1 no afraid I dont - well apart from HTML/CSS :)
[16:20] Arun1 Where in the UK are you jonnyb? Stroud, Gloucestershire here
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[16:21] Arun1 so what is a typical page save speed?
[16:21] jonnyb Wimbledon me
[16:21] Arun1 aha.... where did the Wombles go ? :)
[16:22] jonnyb should be under a second, but on doc and dev sometimes its a few seconds (they use elastic search on a separate server, so we think there is some extra latency involved there)
[16:22] jonnyb Wombles went in a curry! :D
[16:22] Arun1 so 15-20 secnds is well out then
[16:22] Arun1 loading pages is fine....that is 1-2 seconds tops
[16:24] jonnyb yes, that's bad, unusable really
[16:24] Arun1 yes it is pretty unusable
[16:24] jonnyb have you tried with a clean install? totally default tiki woth no other features etc enabled?
[16:24] Arun1 i could try that
[16:29] jonnyb I've got an idea everyone - if you're available, come along to the "round table" meeting in about 30 minutes, even just to say hello - start here https://tiki.org/live and the notes about it are here Roundtable Meeting 2018 01
[16:29] jonnyb Someone else there might have other ideas on how to debug your issue Arun1 :)
[16:30] Arun1 thanks jonnyb.... just setting up a test site
[16:55] Jyhem_laptop jonnyb: can't find any issue testing my current Tiki18 test site wih complex registration. Thanks for asking
[16:57] jonnyb jolly good, i didn't quite follow why the code was like that so thought i should check :)
[16:57] amette_ chibaguy : any news on this one? https://dev.tiki.org/item6248 Might it be that your issue is related to SefURL, which isn't active on show.tiki.org? If so, then I think it is related to this one: https://dev.tiki.org/item6462
[16:57] amette_ And if all of that, then I think that those two should be merged into some kind of meta-bug... it looks like the spaces work nowadays, only if spaces are replaced by dashes... then it breaks.
[16:59] jonnyb So it's time - everyone is invited! :) http://live.tiki.org/
[16:59] amette_ oh, whut!? I missed that...
[17:00] * amette_ is in the office now, can't really join
[17:00] jonnyb pompom amette_
[17:00] amette_ heyho jonnyb
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[17:00] jonnyb Office? amette_ in an office? Wonders will never cease ;)
[17:00] amette_ hehehe ;)
[17:07] Arun1 Jonnyb..... on test site page saves in under 2s
[17:07] jonnyb aha, a clue indeed...
[17:08] jonnyb to see the prefs you've changed you can go to admin profiles and go to the export profile tab
[17:11] Arun1 where is that jonnyb?
[17:12] Arun1 dont worry found it
[17:12] jonnyb :)
[17:14] Arun1 not quite sure how to use that though!
[17:17] Arun1 where does it export to?
[17:17] jonnyb you don't need to export, it can just list the prefs you have changed from the default
[17:18] jonnyb so on a clean test install (the quick one) there won't be any, but the slow one presumably has something enabled that is killing the save page thing?
[17:18] Arun1 ah i see
[17:18] Arun1 got you....
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[17:28] Arun1 its gonna tyake ages to figure out firstly where the preserences are set and then test by turning off each one - and of course it could be a cumulative thing
[17:38] Arun1 dont worry found out about the search for settings :)
[17:43] RadoS fabricius, I got that from #css, but doesn't look good for deeply cascaded entries where 1 is much bigger/ smaller than the neighbours:
[17:44] RadoS http://paste.debian.net/1005854/
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[20:20] fabricius RadoS: do you have an image aswell?
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