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mose: heya! long time no see! :) 		[09:14]
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jonnybhi chibaguy [12:39]
chibaguyhi jonnyb [12:40]
jonnybjust upgrading a 1.2GB tiki database to 18.x - quite exciting! (also slow ;) ) [12:40]
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mosejust had to install a new tiki from peer pressure
that's a long time :) 		[19:10]
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jonnybhi mose, how did i go?
i/it
(i went fine ;) )
actually i have to go, hope your tiki is happy, catch you another time... 		[19:17]
mose:)
I just have to lurk around see what the hell happened in the past 10 years now
as I got a new job at bitnami, I tried their installer, that went smooth 		[19:21]
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fabriciushi mose [21:57]
moseheya
now maybe I will migrate my v0.9/0.10 tikis
hrum 		[21:57]
fabriciusI think I came to Tiki when you left the scene, so we never met; but heard a lot. Your name is still visible at a lot of places
huuu 		[21:58]
moseyeah I had dirty fingers put them in many places
nice to meet you
and .. don't believe what people said of me it's all false 		[21:58]
fabriciusI just wrote an email to the devlist where I pointed out that with Tiki you can upgrade across a lot of versions and that the community likely will not change the policy behind that.
I heard only good things, respectively that people remember you with respect 		[21:59]
moseyeah exactly
people always exagerate
memory creates embellished images 		[22:00]
fabriciusso you tell me not to believe you would be one of the good guys
or at least a nice guy
:) 		[22:01]
moseI was just one guy [22:01]
fabriciuswe all are just one guy or girl ... and still a community together [22:02]
moseit survived the years, amazingly
and you still didn't migrate to git haha 		[22:02]
fabriciussurvived without Tiki. hard to believe :) [22:03]
mosethat was already a topic 10 years ago [22:03]
fabriciushehe
and it is still 		[22:03]
mosethat's crazy [22:03]
fabriciusI am happy that I learned to use svn after a while and now I have to learn a new thing ... errr since ... in ... anyway [22:04]
mosethe thing is the collaboration model. Tiki is built on access and trust, git/github is building on openess and lower trust [22:04]
fabriciusthis belongs to Tiki aswell. in some aspects we are kind of reluctant
what is the difference between access and openess? 		[22:04]
moseacess gives you power, openess only gives you opportunity [22:05]
fabriciusah, I guess I understand what you mean [22:06]
moseie. diff between write right to commit on trunk vs anybody can do PR [22:06]
fabriciusapply to the three rules and get full commit access to the full repository based on trust [22:06]
mosethe commitment is higher [22:07]
fabriciuswith access!? [22:07]
moseyes
because there is more power, so there is a process to acquire it
there is no process to submit a PR 		[22:07]
fabriciusmany devs argue about the committment of sourceforge. I think that is more of a reason than preferring one version system over another [22:08]
moseyeah sourceforge kinda sucks
it does since 2001
so that's not new
when they close-sourced
that made savanah and gna appear 		[22:08]
fabriciussometimes changes are due to the amount of pain, sometime due to the timespan, when it never stops [22:09]
mosechange in open source always happen because indiviuals
talking is cheap
let's do or not do, the one that does win haha
migratign the scm is just a lot of work
I'm sure tiki would survive with a new paradigm of collaobration
it's just a different community activity
more time sorting out contributions
smaller core team
but there are various projects that still are cohesive after migrating to github
by enforcing some cluture
but hey
I know nothing
from the years that passed
from how the community evolved
I left php 10 years ago
went to java, puked, ended up to ruby
and node 		[22:09]
fabriciusI mean, I am not a coder, thus I trust the coders I know in person or collaborate with since long time. I enjoy to have commit access and ever so often be able to commit a small thing I see (and understand) and otherwise do different tasks. wether the (trusted and longknown) coders finally decide for git or svn - I do both. [22:14]
moseseems there is much less people than long time ago
but they may be much more skilled, as time passed 		[22:15]
fabriciusI am not sure. I see that there are some coming and going and others staying since years. sadly we are kind of a niche product and not as renown as the big 3 (Woprdpress, Joomla, Drupal). [22:17]
moseyeah [22:17]
but it would have died if it had not its unique value
anyways, now that I have to maintain a tiki again, I will stay around 		[22:22]
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fabriciusgreat to hear
and mose: you'll make it nice and responsive finally 		[22:48]
mosehahaha [22:51]
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fabriciusyeah, I assume you'll upgrade to 18 anyway and from 14 you are fully bootstrapped ;-) [23:09]
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Tiki|botRecent Bug: - http://dev.tiki.org/item6583--session_protected-feature-is-broken-if-HTTPS-termination-happens-outside-of-PHP-s [23:55]
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