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mose: heya! long time no see! :) | [09:14] |
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jonnyb | hi chibaguy | [12:39] |
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jonnyb | just upgrading a 1.2GB tiki database to 18.x - quite exciting! (also slow ;) ) | [12:40] |
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mose | just had to install a new tiki from peer pressure
that's a long time :) | [19:10] |
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jonnyb | hi mose, how did i go?
i/it (i went fine ;) ) actually i have to go, hope your tiki is happy, catch you another time... | [19:17] |
mose | :)
I just have to lurk around see what the hell happened in the past 10 years now as I got a new job at bitnami, I tried their installer, that went smooth | [19:21] |
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fabricius | hi mose | [21:57] |
mose | heya
now maybe I will migrate my v0.9/0.10 tikis hrum | [21:57] |
fabricius | I think I came to Tiki when you left the scene, so we never met; but heard a lot. Your name is still visible at a lot of places
huuu | [21:58] |
mose | yeah I had dirty fingers put them in many places
nice to meet you and .. don't believe what people said of me it's all false | [21:58] |
fabricius | I just wrote an email to the devlist where I pointed out that with Tiki you can upgrade across a lot of versions and that the community likely will not change the policy behind that.
I heard only good things, respectively that people remember you with respect | [21:59] |
mose | yeah exactly
people always exagerate memory creates embellished images | [22:00] |
fabricius | so you tell me not to believe you would be one of the good guys
or at least a nice guy :) | [22:01] |
mose | I was just one guy | [22:01] |
fabricius | we all are just one guy or girl ... and still a community together | [22:02] |
mose | it survived the years, amazingly
and you still didn't migrate to git haha | [22:02] |
fabricius | survived without Tiki. hard to believe :) | [22:03] |
mose | that was already a topic 10 years ago | [22:03] |
fabricius | hehe
and it is still | [22:03] |
mose | that's crazy | [22:03] |
fabricius | I am happy that I learned to use svn after a while and now I have to learn a new thing ... errr since ... in ... anyway | [22:04] |
mose | the thing is the collaboration model. Tiki is built on access and trust, git/github is building on openess and lower trust | [22:04] |
fabricius | this belongs to Tiki aswell. in some aspects we are kind of reluctant
what is the difference between access and openess? | [22:04] |
mose | acess gives you power, openess only gives you opportunity | [22:05] |
fabricius | ah, I guess I understand what you mean | [22:06] |
mose | ie. diff between write right to commit on trunk vs anybody can do PR | [22:06] |
fabricius | apply to the three rules and get full commit access to the full repository based on trust | [22:06] |
mose | the commitment is higher | [22:07] |
fabricius | with access!? | [22:07] |
mose | yes
because there is more power, so there is a process to acquire it there is no process to submit a PR | [22:07] |
fabricius | many devs argue about the committment of sourceforge. I think that is more of a reason than preferring one version system over another | [22:08] |
mose | yeah sourceforge kinda sucks
it does since 2001 so that's not new when they close-sourced that made savanah and gna appear | [22:08] |
fabricius | sometimes changes are due to the amount of pain, sometime due to the timespan, when it never stops | [22:09] |
mose | change in open source always happen because indiviuals
talking is cheap let's do or not do, the one that does win haha migratign the scm is just a lot of work I'm sure tiki would survive with a new paradigm of collaobration it's just a different community activity more time sorting out contributions smaller core team but there are various projects that still are cohesive after migrating to github by enforcing some cluture but hey I know nothing from the years that passed from how the community evolved I left php 10 years ago went to java, puked, ended up to ruby and node | [22:09] |
fabricius | I mean, I am not a coder, thus I trust the coders I know in person or collaborate with since long time. I enjoy to have commit access and ever so often be able to commit a small thing I see (and understand) and otherwise do different tasks. wether the (trusted and longknown) coders finally decide for git or svn - I do both. | [22:14] |
mose | seems there is much less people than long time ago
but they may be much more skilled, as time passed | [22:15] |
fabricius | I am not sure. I see that there are some coming and going and others staying since years. sadly we are kind of a niche product and not as renown as the big 3 (Woprdpress, Joomla, Drupal). | [22:17] |
mose | yeah | [22:17] |
but it would have died if it had not its unique value
anyways, now that I have to maintain a tiki again, I will stay around | [22:22] | |
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fabricius | great to hear
and mose: you'll make it nice and responsive finally | [22:48] |
mose | hahaha | [22:51] |
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fabricius | yeah, I assume you'll upgrade to 18 anyway and from 14 you are fully bootstrapped ;-) | [23:09] |
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Tiki|bot | Recent Bug: - http://dev.tiki.org/item6583--session_protected-feature-is-broken-if-HTTPS-termination-happens-outside-of-PHP-s | [23:55] |
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