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   <br> polom
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   <br> <u>mose</u>: heya! long time no see! :)
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   <br> polom
   jonnyb: hi chibaguy
   chibaguy: hi jonnyb
   jonnyb: just upgrading a 1.2GB tiki database to 18.x - quite exciting! (also slow ;) )
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   mose: just had to install a new tiki from peer pressure
   <br> that's a long time :)
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   jonnyb: hi mose, how did i go?
   <br> i/it
   <br> (i went fine ;) )
   <br> actually i have to go, hope your tiki is happy, catch you another time...
   mose: :)
   <br> I just have to lurk around see what the hell happened in the past 10 years now
   <br> as I got a new job at bitnami, I tried their installer, that went smooth
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   fabricius: hi mose
   mose: heya
   <br> now maybe I will migrate my v0.9/0.10 tikis
   <br> hrum
   fabricius: I think I came to Tiki when you left the scene, so we never met; but heard a lot. Your name is still visible at a lot of places
   <br> huuu
   mose: yeah I had dirty fingers put them in many places
   <br> nice to meet you
   <br> and .. don't believe what people said of me it's all false
   fabricius: I just wrote an email to the devlist where I pointed out that with Tiki you can upgrade across a lot of versions and that the community likely will not change the policy behind that.
   <br> I heard only good things, respectively that people remember you with respect
   mose: yeah exactly
   <br> people always exagerate
   <br> memory creates embellished images
   fabricius: so you tell me not to believe you would be one of the good guys
   <br> or at least a nice guy
   <br> :)
   mose: I was just one guy
   fabricius: we all are just one guy or girl ... and still a community together
   mose: it survived the years, amazingly
   <br> and you still didn't migrate to git haha
   fabricius: survived without Tiki. hard to believe :)
   mose: that was already a topic 10 years ago
   fabricius: hehe
   <br> and it is still
   mose: that's crazy
   fabricius: I am happy that I learned to use svn after a while and now I have to learn a new thing ... errr since ... in ... anyway
   mose: the thing is the collaboration model. Tiki is built on access and trust, git/github is building on openess and lower trust
   fabricius: this belongs to Tiki aswell. in some aspects we are kind of reluctant
   <br> what is the difference between access and openess?
   mose: acess gives you power, openess only gives you opportunity
   fabricius: ah, I guess I understand what you mean
   mose: ie. diff between write right to commit on trunk vs anybody can do PR
   fabricius: apply to the three rules and get full commit access to the full repository based on trust
   mose: the commitment is higher
   fabricius: with access!?
   mose: yes
   <br> because there is more power, so there is a process to acquire it
   <br> there is no process to submit a PR
   fabricius: many devs argue about the committment of sourceforge. I think that is more of a reason than preferring one version system over another
   mose: yeah sourceforge kinda sucks
   <br> it does since 2001
   <br> so that's not new
   <br> when they close-sourced
   <br> that made savanah and gna appear
   fabricius: sometimes changes are due to the amount of pain, sometime due to the timespan, when it never stops
   mose: change in open source always happen because indiviuals
   <br> talking is cheap
   <br> let's do or not do, the one that does win haha
   <br> migratign the scm is just a lot of work
   <br> I'm sure tiki would survive with a new paradigm of collaobration
   <br> it's just a different community activity
   <br> more time sorting out contributions
   <br> smaller core team
   <br> but there are various projects that still are cohesive after migrating to github
   <br> by enforcing some cluture
   <br> but hey
   <br> I know nothing
   <br> from the years that passed
   <br> from how the community evolved
   <br> I left php 10 years ago
   <br> went to java, puked, ended up to ruby
   <br> and node
   fabricius: I mean, I am not a coder, thus I trust the coders I know in person or collaborate with since long time. I enjoy to have commit access and ever so often be able to commit a small thing I see (and understand) and otherwise do different tasks. wether the (trusted and longknown) coders finally decide for git or svn - I do both.
   mose: seems there is much less people than long time ago
   <br> but they may be much more skilled, as time passed
   fabricius: I am not sure. I see that there are some coming and going and others staying since years. sadly we are kind of a niche product and not as renown as the big 3 (Woprdpress, Joomla, Drupal).
   mose: yeah
   <br> but it would have died if it had not its unique value
   <br> anyways, now that I have to maintain a tiki again, I will stay around
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   fabricius: great to hear
   <br> and mose: you'll make it nice and responsive finally
   mose: hahaha
   fabricius: yeah, I assume you'll upgrade to 18 anyway and from 14 you are fully bootstrapped ;-)
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