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I wish I could help, but I have no expertise there. [15:48] GillesM marclaporte is always on the project ? [15:50] chibaguy Yes, but the best way to get help is to ask on the developers list, or submit a bug at dev.tiki.org, if you think there is a bug. [15:53] GillesM it seems to be a known bug [15:53] chibaguy Did you submit a bug report? [15:54] GillesM I wrote on list yes [15:58] chibaguy But I mean did you submit it at https://dev.tiki.org/Make a wish ? [15:59] GillesM a lot of people have thr problem i see [16:03] chibaguy I also have some problem with the database in Tiki 18, maybe related. [16:20] marclaporte GillesM: you bet! [16:20] marclaporte GillesM: you are always the complainer [16:20] marclaporte GillesM: tying to make people feel guilty into fixing your problems [16:20] marclaporte You have not changed [16:21] marclaporte tying -> trying [16:23] marclaporte How about being a regular contributor who is there to help the community and project? Make regular contributions. Keeping your Tiki instances up to date. [16:26] marclaporte Bug reports go in the bug tracker after searching to see if it has already been reported. In which case, add useful info. And in the ideal world, a patch! [16:27] GillesM I love the projects where when you have a problem you are "complainer" .. [16:28] marclaporte Here are some teams to get involved in: https://tiki.org/Teams [16:30] GillesM marclaporte, how many active people on the teams ? [16:30] GillesM marclaporte, I am ok to help [16:30] marclaporte Super! [16:30] marclaporte Teams have 0 to 3 people active [16:31] marclaporte System is designed so workload of each team is reasonable [16:31] marclaporte We need doers [16:32] GillesM 0 to people to each team ? or 0 3 people to all the project ? [16:34] marclaporte each team [16:34] marclaporte some teams are dead [16:34] marclaporte some are good [16:36] marclaporte There is a TikiFest soon in France. Would be perfect for you! [16:36] marclaporte https://tiki.org/TikiFestStrasbourg2018 [16:37] marclaporte I took the train from Paris to Strasbourg a while back. Nice little trip! [16:39] marclaporte If you really want to get away, there is a TikiFest within a WikiSuite Unconference in Montreal in September: http://wikisuite.org/Unconference1 [16:42] marclaporte Activity level on the whole project can be tracked here for committers: https://www.openhub.net/p/tikiwiki/contributors?query=&time_span=&sort=twelve_month_commits [16:43] marclaporte Add to that some good contributors that don't commit, but help a lot in forums, translations, etc. [16:45] marclaporte AFAIK, the Tiki 16-17-18 cycle has actually been the period with the most development in the history of the project. [16:45] GillesM ok [16:45] marclaporte There has been tons of back-end things done that are not necessarily very visible but that have a huge impact for the future of the project [16:45] marclaporte Tiki is 15 years old, so there was some technical debt [16:46] marclaporte Danger is that we don't take advantage of newest and greatest tools and techniques [16:47] marclaporte Ex.: We now have a Composer Web Installer: https://doc.tiki.org/Packages [16:47] marclaporte This required a revamp of how we use Composer, with some transition pains. [16:48] marclaporte But now, we can cleanly and easily add some code which was very messy before (ex.: ViewerJS) [16:49] marclaporte All the gory details here: https://tiki.org/forumthread67983-About-Tiki-Packages-in-Tiki-18-0-LTS-and-why-I-support-this-project-And-mods-tiki-org-can-now-be-scheduled-for-retirement [16:50] marclaporte Tiki uses over 100 external libs [16:51] marclaporte The danger is: https://blog.versioneye.com/2014/02/18/why-your-software-project-will-slowly-die-without-continuous-updating/ [16:52] marclaporte All the external libs have been updated, and are now managed by Composer [16:52] marclaporte This was an incredible amount of thankless work [16:52] marclaporte Ex.: moving Zend Framework 1 to 2, and then, 2 to 3 [16:53] marclaporte For most libs, it goes quite well. But for others, they are dead, and we need to find alternatives. [16:53] marclaporte And then, a painful migration [16:54] marclaporte That was all done and cleaned up, and in trunk (upcoming version 19.0), we are pretty much up to date on everything [16:55] marclaporte On another topic: we have implement a Git-SVN 2-way mirror. So committers have the choice now. And it makes it easier to have certain kinds of workflows. And to add certain types of new tools. [16:56] marclaporte We implemented a Continuous Integration system (within GitLab, which is also Open Source) that alerts when a test is broken or some other error is detected [16:56] marclaporte The CI is in soft launch. We are refining, and then, will make the alerts more public. [16:57] marclaporte Then, it will be easy to add new alerts [16:58] marclaporte chibaguy is leading the migration from Bootstrap 3 to 4 in trunk [16:58] GillesM wow [17:36] marclaporte It's less hard than the initial migration to Bootstrap [17:36] marclaporte Tiki has several hundred templates and they had to be modernized [17:39] marclaporte joined #tikiwiki [18:02] marclaporte joined #tikiwiki [18:37] Jyhem_ joined #tikiwiki [20:29] Jyhem_laptop_ joined #tikiwiki [20:33] Jyhem_laptop joined #tikiwiki [20:39] fabricius joined #tikiwiki [20:42] Jyhem_laptop_ joined #tikiwiki [21:26] Tiki|bot Recent Bug: - http://dev.tiki.org/item6702-Smarty-icon-function-returns-green-question-mark-images-instead-of-intended-icons [21:48] fabricius1 joined #tikiwiki