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Tiki|botRecent Bug: - http://dev.tiki.org/item6746-Possibility-to-use-the-same-value-for-the-options-in-a-dropdown-tracker-field
Recent Bug: - http://dev.tiki.org/item6747-Can-t-set-2-tracker-as-related-on-the-wishlist 		[09:09]
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jonnybpolom Jyhem_ (nice underscore still ;) ) [12:06]
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lincolnaso, I've got deleted tracker fields still showing up in the drop-downs for various tracker options
is there some kind of reindex or something I can do to get rid of these? 		[12:24]
jonnybhi lincolna - yes, there's a button on the search control panel, also a link on the quick admin menu [12:34]
lincolnacheers [12:34]
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jonnybpompom chibaguy and all [12:43]
chibaguyhi jonnyb and all [12:43]
jonnybchibaguy: how near do you think you are to looking at converting the calendars for bs4? Or do you need me to do some fixes first? (they're quite borken now) [12:44]
chibaguyI didn't really have them on the list yet but I can start if the fixes are unrelated to Bootstrap layout, etc.
Is this fullcalendar? 		[12:45]
jonnybyes, fullcalendar mode [12:47]
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jonnybBut it's the item/event edit form that's particularly screwy (hence me working in 18 and forward porting at the moment)
was hoping i'd be able to get to it by now... ;) 		[12:47]
chibaguyWell, I can go through it once in trunk and do what I can.
Actually tiki-calendar_edit_item.php looks pretty good in trunk.
Highlight color/bg isn't so good but that's minor. 		[12:48]
lincolnagah, bloody trackers
apparenrtly the "items list" field is just a wya of completely and utterly breaking things 		[12:56]
chibaguyOops, I didn't have FullCalendar turned on, so need to recheck. [13:01]
lincolnaoh no, apparently that's just trying to *sort* the items list field
only the interface means that once you've decided to sort based on a field, you can't ever stop sorting
worth a bug report, or is this something weird with my setup? 		[13:01]
jonnybsounds like a bug, thanks lincolna [13:02]
lincolnato clarify: I add an items list field, link it up, seems to pull in the right items from the other tracker, all fine
chose which fields to display, again, all fine
if I start telling it to sort, I get a crash page related to a malformed sql query
(when attempting to view a tracker item) 		[13:03]
gourmorning [13:06]
jonnybmorning (etc) gour
lincolna: are you sure your database is up to date? (just in case) 		[13:09]
lincolnadepends what you mean by up to date? [13:09]
jonnybum, up to date as in running php console.php database:update (or the installer equivalent in the browser) [13:10]
lincolnaI did that when upgrading to 18.2 last week sometime
can run it again I guess
the default sort seems to be giving the order I wanted anyway mind for now 		[13:11]
gouri'm trying to configure local dev environment for tiki on my desktop (debian sid, apach2, php-7.2), using dev.local as virtual host to serve tiki, but when i enter http://dev.local/, firefox complains about 'not proper redirecting', while http://dev.local/tiki-index.php does work. i've enabled SEF, htaccess and tiki-check script reports working SEF URLs, but wonder what could be the cause of improper redirecting? (not having muc apache2 experience,
since i was in a recent time mostly using Hiawatha, but not sure whether that would work due to rewriting rules) 		[13:11]
lincolnaI had issue with SEF not working properly for a while, despite tiki claiming it was all fine
I have no recollection of what fixed it though :( 		[13:12]
jonnybgour - is your home page/feature all standard? i.e. a wiki page called HomePage? [13:15]
gourjonnyb: yes. however when i type http://dev.local/HomePage in the browser I get: http://dev.local/HomePage#&panel1-1 [13:17]
jonnyblooks a little odd - you have a tabs plugin on that page? (shouldn't be making any redirect weirdness though) [13:18]
gouri'd expect that if SEF does work, then there should not be need for using tiki-index.php, right? [13:20]
jonnybyou can fix that by changing the default document but in htaccess (there's an example there commented out)
but there must be something else wrong i think - try a curl -vvv (or whatever the syntax is for verbose) maybe? 		[13:21]
gourredirects is due to 302 [13:32]
i'll do fresh install... [13:39]
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luciashgour: iirc something like that happened to me when I used the carousel plugin or something
there is a param to switch that off for each slide changing the URL 		[14:00]
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chibaguyIf/when jonnyb comes back, with FullCalendar activated, tiki-calendar_edit_item.php displays without any CSS, so I'll hold off on adjustments until after the page gets reconnected to Tiki. [14:54]
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chibaguy(It's supposed to display as a modal dialog apparently.) [14:55]
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chibaguy: still awake? :P 		[15:23]
gourluciash: i've default/plain new 18.2 install, enabled SEF, but now when i enter http://dev.local in my ff browser i'm redirected to http://dev.local/HomePage and tiki says: Page not found HomePage
very strange 		[15:24]
jonnybAny ideas what to do about the category picker (e.g. on the 2nd tab on editpage?) [15:24]
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jonnybgour: do you have a .htaccess file (not just _htaccess) [15:24]
lincolnaI had exactly the same issue
trying deperatley to remember if I did anything to solve it
or if it just somehow worked itself out 		[15:25]
gourjonnyb: yes, installer apparently symlinked it...when i disable SEF there is no more redirect error [15:26]
chibaguyhi jonnyb, yes, I'm still around. I'll check on that. [15:27]
ipfreelygour: do you have mod_rewrite enabled in apache? [15:27]
gouripfreely: yes [15:27]
jonnybi think i found it chibaguy, just needs some more padding-left on .treenode .form-check - on it :) [15:28]
gouripfreely: rewrite.load mod (on debian) is enabled [15:28]
chibaguyjonnyb, just to get the indent? [15:29]
luciashgour: make sure .htaccess is enabled [15:29]
ipfreelyand u renamed _htaccess to .htaccess? and rewrite is enabled in the config file for the virtual server tiki is running on> [15:29]
jonnybthe checkboxes cover up the open/close triangles (for me) [15:29]
ipfreely? [15:29]
luciashgour: ah, sorry, already said that you have it [15:30]
gourhere is my dev.local.conf: https://paste.debian.net/1037153/ [15:31]
lincolnaas said, I had the same thing before, and everybody kept asking about .htaccess, which was in place and correctas I'd run setup.sh
eventually I got it solved... 		[15:33]
gourlincolna: heh, magic or dependence on moon's phase ;) [15:34]
chibaguyjonnyb, you know about Bootstrap 4's spacing classes? pl-4 adds kinda big padding left, etc. [15:34]
luciashis the file readable by apache? [15:34]
ipfreelyallowoverride is the one that was my issue, but i see you have it.... [15:35]
gourhowever, i believe this time i won't give up on tiki so easily...typo3/neos as possible replacements looks utterly complex [15:35]
jonnybah, no, i didn't know about that, thanks chibaguy [15:35]
chibaguyIf it makes sense to use an existing class. [15:35]
luciashchibaguy: looks like somebody stole my idea ;) [15:36]
chibaguyhttps://getbootstrap.com/docs/4.1/utilities/spacing/
:-) 		[15:36]
jonnybbut i've done it with a rule now... [15:36]
luciashchibaguy: just pl-4 would mean "padding-left: -4px" which does not make sense :) [15:36]
jonnyboops, done it wrong... update coming [15:37]
luciashi would use pl4 simply here [15:37]
chibaguyI guess Bootstrap has a convention of separating the class name parts.
with hyphens 		[15:37]
luciash(for my own classes, not Bootstrap) [15:37]
chibaguyah [15:37]
luciash:) [15:38]
gouram i right that for any practical purposes, if i want to use tiki, then it does not make sense to look at any other CSS framework (e.g. foundation, bulma etc.) except BS in order to do tiki themes? [15:40]
luciashgour: right
gour: unless you are willing to rewrite all the tpl files with your own classes (foundation, etc.) 		[15:42]
ipfreelywith the new relations feature in trackers working right, i think tiki is on its way to blow up big time [15:42]
gourluciash: thanks...that's also something...iow. deciding to use tiki would make my hunting for the 'right' framework over :-) [15:43]
fabriciusipfreely: relations which version? [15:43]
chibaguyor if a framework could use the bs classes already in the tpl files. [15:43]
ipfreely18.2 [15:44]
gour"Simplicity rules!" :-) [15:44]
ipfreelyit was broken in 18.1
worked in 15.x but wasn't as nice 		[15:44]
fabriciusand introduced in?
ah 		[15:44]
ipfreelyits basically a full relational database CRUD app like filemaker now [15:44]
fabriciusnever looked into it, but sounds valuable [15:44]
luciashipfreely: nice to hear it got better in 18.2 [15:44]
lincolnahonestly, I'm using a lot of trackers [15:45]
fabriciusis it well documented? [15:45]
lincolnaand finding them a real pain to actually use [15:45]
ipfreelyfabricius, well enough :P [15:45]
lincolnathe trackers themselves aren't the problem [15:45]
fabriciussure lincolna? I love trackers.
but? 		[15:45]
lincolnait's displaying the contents neatly on a wiki page
or actually using the relations 		[15:45]
ipfreelytemplates let u do it [15:46]
lincolnain theory, sure [15:46]
fabriciusok. you need to setup a number of templates to copy/paste [15:46]
lincolnabut in practice, they never seem to work out [15:46]
ipfreelythe only issue left with relations is link fields display linked field ID's not content of the linked field
but theres a workaround 		[15:46]
lincolnaeg I've got one page I'd like to work [15:46]
fabriciusipfreely: yes? [15:46]
lincolnaand it works fine if you input the filter terms by hand [15:46]
ipfreelyfabricius, yes [15:47]
fabriciuswhich? [15:47]
lincolnabut not when you start using variables and actually use it as a template [15:47]
ipfreelyfabricius, u need to setup template files for each display [15:47]
fabriciusok [15:47]
lincolnaand the response I get on here to most of my troubles is "pluginlist does it"
which maybe it does, but figuring out how is really hard 		[15:48]
ipfreelytrackerlist yeah
you get used to it.... 		[15:48]
lincolnanah, I always get told here "don't use tracker list, use list"
https://doc.tiki.org/PluginList 		[15:48]
fabriciusnah trackerlist is not list ... list needs a bit more documentation, respectively more examples. But it appears to be quite cool at the end ... just a bit advanced
lincolna: in that regard I really understand you. *hug*
ipfreely: and that's it? template files and done? 		[15:49]
ipfreelyfabricius, essentially yes, but easier said than done
lots of trial and error
i agree the documentation could be expanded
but if im picking the guys working on bugs/features or documentation, i choose bugs/features :P 		[15:50]
fabriciuswill be looking into it and maybe then do some docs when I understood. will see [15:53]
jonnybjonnyb feels only slightly guilty guiding everyone to use plugin list ;) [15:54]
gourlincolna: changing the theme helped with SEF here :-)
luciash: that's Roundtable meeting or something else? 		[15:55]
luciashgour: something else ;) [16:00]
gourok [16:00]
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gourfor the sdake of curiosity, i've looked briefly at the installation procedures for typo3/neos and quickly gave up...not pretty in comparison with tiki
now installed tiki-19svn and noticed that there are only 1493 SQL queries executed, while i've a feeling that with 18.x that was in the range of 10k?
maybe because it was install over old db 		[18:47]
luciashupgrade? [18:51]
gourwell, i wanted a fresh 19 install
now doing from the scratch
now doing from the scratch
oops 		[18:52]
well, lasttrunk drives me in circles...going back to 18.2 [18:57]
jonnybsorry gour, sounds like you're still having trouble
trunk it a little, er, wobbly at the moment, so 18.x is best i expect 		[19:07]
gourhuh, trying re-install on my production server, untarred fresh src, created new database, selected mysql classic driver (not mysqli), but installer always returns me to Tiki Installer Security Precaution page. any hint?
it is with php 5.6. if i try with 7.x which one is the best: 7.0, 7.1 or 7.2? 		[19:16]
jonnybfor 18.x php 7.2 seems fine, but if you're feeling caution 7.1 is maybe safer
do you not have svn? i ususally run all my tikis from the stable branch with svn, makes for much easier updates
some info here https://dev.tiki.org/svn+tips

(won't help you with your redirect problem though, unless 18.2 has some nasty bug no one else has found) 		[19:24]
gouruhh...i'm not really svn guy - after short usage of CVS jumped to DVCS (mostly darcs), but nowadays using fossil for all my stuff...but will take a look at svn since it seems it's inevitable if i'm going to stick with tiki [19:26]
jonnybwe have a nice script now that will look after the updates for you (doc/devtools/svnup.php) [19:28]
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gourmy installer-related problem was due to browser cache...although i'm sure i cleared it before...otoh, SEF is still without clear solution, but more like a magic
but e.g. i can say it works both locally and remotely with Lumen theme 		[19:45]
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cd [20:19]
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luciash/home/gour
that command took long to process ;) 		[20:43]
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gour:-) [21:24]
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