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INSTATLLATION*
INSTALLATION*
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polom
eeeehhhhrrrrrr..... doc.t.o & dev.t.o (and some others) are down
(luckily tiki.org is up)
anyone any clue?
risks of centralizing (almost all) server related to the tikiverse is that when something happens to the common infraestructure, all those are dreadfully affected.
we should consider efficiency vs. resilience, and rise the goal of achieving more resilience even at the cost of loosing some efficiency
we are old enough (as an organization/group of people) to consider this topic more seriously, imho 		[09:54]
re: https://youtu.be/nORI8r3JIyw (TEDxBerlin - Bernard Lietaer - 11/30/09) [10:05]
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hi everyone - in case anyone logged on here looks after that, https://doc.tiki.org is currently down

never mind, I've just seen the chat log and you guys were aware :) 		[11:16]
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xavi:-)
and sites are up again, yay! :-)
someone did his/her magic behind the scenes 		[12:22]
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robertokirPolom Xavi [13:06]
xavihi robertokir [13:06]
robertokirI restarted the server. I'm a pre-junior sysop, so I don't know the causes. :)
I'll talk to the Real Sysop though 		[13:06]
xavi:-) glad you had acces to the button :-)
did you restart by means of ssh access (or through some vm interface) or equivalent? or by means of pushing a physical button somewhere? 		[13:07]
robertokirIn theory we have an automatic service that checks if a site is down and restarts it. I still don't know why it didn't work this time. I did it via a nice ClearOs Gui. [13:08]
xaviaha, so you could access the clearos gui
mmmm
see pm 		[13:08]
Jyhempompom
Thanks robertokir
Jyhem spends tuesdays on customer meetings, sadly :-( 		[13:10]
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Tiki|botRecent Bug: - Can't delete forum posts at tiki.org - http://dev.tiki.org/item7166-Can-t-delete-forum-posts-at-tiki-org [13:59]
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Jyhemhi jonnyb :-)
anything still wrong about setup.sh now that the scary permission stuff is hidden?
(apart from «it's not in php») ;-P 		[19:51]
jonnybhi Jyhem - not sure i've tried it...
must have, in which case it's a seamless job! :P (i think i've got so used to blanking that page out i don't notice if it/s gone ;) ) 		[20:05]
JyhemLol, seems it's fine, then. I was afraid that being in shell was preventing some much expected improvement.
Jyhem thinks anything new in php should go in console.php 		[20:08]
jonnybHmmm, console.php depends on tiki being already set up, so i think it needs to be setup.php, but also using Symfony (and nice) [20:11]
JyhemI don't like it depending on anything which exists in many incompatible versions and dropped all pretense at maintaining backwards compatibility as PHP recently decided to do.
setup needs to be reliably functionning even in badly configured environments (and tell us about it).
Anything in php will soon have the rest of Tiki's libs as dependences, as tiki-check.php illustrated.
s/dependences/dependencies/
or we could keep setup.sh as a backup for setup.php which is just silly :-) 		[20:22]
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