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[09:39] Totte73 INSTATLLATION*
[09:39] Totte73 INSTALLATION*
[09:40] Totte73 ?
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[09:55] xavi polom
[09:56] xavi eeeehhhhrrrrrr..... doc.t.o & dev.t.o (and some others) are down
[09:56] xavi (luckily tiki.org is up)
[09:56] xavi anyone any clue?
[09:57] xavi risks of centralizing (almost all) server related to the tikiverse is that when something happens to the common infraestructure, all those are dreadfully affected.
[09:57] xavi we should consider efficiency vs. resilience, and rise the goal of achieving more resilience even at the cost of loosing some efficiency
[09:58] xavi we are old enough (as an organization/group of people) to consider this topic more seriously, imho
[10:05] xavi re: https://youtu.be/nORI8r3JIyw (TEDxBerlin - Bernard Lietaer - 11/30/09)
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[11:17] fatiki hi everyone - in case anyone logged on here looks after that, https://doc.tiki.org is currently down
[11:19] fatiki never mind, I've just seen the chat log and you guys were aware :)
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[12:22] xavi :-)
[12:22] xavi and sites are up again, yay! :-)
[12:23] xavi someone did his/her magic behind the scenes
[13:06] robertokir Polom Xavi
[13:06] xavi hi robertokir
[13:06] robertokir I restarted the server. I'm a pre-junior sysop, so I don't know the causes. :)
[13:07] robertokir I'll talk to the Real Sysop though
[13:07] xavi :-)  glad you had acces to the button :-)
[13:07] xavi did you restart by means of ssh access (or through some vm interface) or equivalent? or by means of pushing a physical button somewhere?
[13:08] robertokir In theory we have an automatic service that checks if a site is down and restarts it. I still don't know why it didn't work this time. I did it via a nice ClearOs Gui.
[13:08] xavi aha, so you could access the clearos gui
[13:08] xavi mmmm
[13:09] xavi see pm
[13:10] Jyhem pompom
[13:10] Jyhem Thanks robertokir
[13:11] * Jyhem spends tuesdays on customer meetings, sadly :-(
[13:59] Tiki|bot Recent Bug:  - Can't delete forum posts at tiki.org - http://dev.tiki.org/item7166-Can-t-delete-forum-posts-at-tiki-org
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[18:38] jonnyb Polom
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[19:51] Jyhem hi jonnyb :-)
[19:52] Jyhem anything still wrong about setup.sh now that the scary permission stuff is hidden?
[19:53] Jyhem (apart from «it's not in php») ;-P
[20:05] jonnyb hi Jyhem - not sure i've tried it...
[20:06] jonnyb must have, in which case it's a seamless job! :P (i think i've got so used to blanking that page out i don't notice if it/s gone ;) )
[20:08] Jyhem Lol, seems it's fine, then. I was afraid that being in shell was preventing some much expected improvement.
[20:09] * Jyhem thinks anything new in php should go in console.php
[20:11] jonnyb Hmmm, console.php depends on tiki being already set up, so i think it needs to be setup.php, but also using Symfony (and nice)
[20:22] Jyhem I don't like it depending on anything which exists in many incompatible versions and dropped all pretense at maintaining backwards compatibility as PHP recently decided to do.
[20:23] Jyhem setup needs to be reliably functionning even in badly configured environments (and tell us about it).
[20:24] Jyhem Anything in php will soon have the rest of Tiki's libs as dependences, as tiki-check.php illustrated.
[20:24] Jyhem s/dependences/dependencies/
[20:25] Jyhem or we could keep setup.sh as a backup for setup.php which is just silly :-)
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