#tikiwiki 2008-08-01,Fri

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franck	marclaporte: oi! marclaporte: can you add an article on info.tw.o about the release of RC4, with a thanks to joshua for pointing some vulnerabilities that have been fixed?	[00:13]
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franck	marclaporte: you here?	[00:41]
marclaporte	yes franck: I'll give you perms to add the article	[00:42]
franck	:) damn! ;)	[00:42]
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marclaporte	http://info.tikiwiki.org/tiki-edit_submission.php	[00:45]
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franck	marclaporte: you can approve the submission ;)	[01:06]
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marclaporte	franck: approved franck: : I move download link a bit lower so people have to "read more" b4 hope it s ok I want them to be counted as reads	[03:04]
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marclaporte	polom	[04:48]
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chibaguy	I have to give px widths to divs in wikitext (such as for .codelisting) now in *litecss themes because Firefox 3 seems to calculate % widths wrong. They aren't 90% or whatever of the parent div, they are much wider, causing a scrollbar. Is there a hack to give FF3 its own css? IE7 does something similar. For now I'm giving pixel widths to things like div.codelisting.... :-\|	[07:21]
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chibaguy	I don't know if *litecss theme's floated divs and negative margins, etc., throws off calculations of widths for divs in there. But with FF2 there can be a 90% div in wikitext and it stays within the space. FF3 makes the div way wide. I need to make a simple html demo and see what happens. A concern is that standard divs can be given px widths easily enough in the stylesheet, but it'll be bad if users' wikiplugin div width=90% make long horizontal scrollbars.	[07:37]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sept_7 :: r 13999 /branches/2.0/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] : bug fix reported by amette, TikiTest unusable without this fix.	[07:43]
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chibaguy	Divs made with DIV plugin and given 90% width or codelisting class behave ok, no page streching. The problem with {CODE()}{CODE} may be its pre tags or something. No, problem is also div.codelisting.	[08:05]
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chibaguy	Reducing the width to, like, 30% makes the overflow: auto div narrow enough to be about 400px wide -- but the whole page still is stretched wide and has a scrollbar, widened by something not visible. Sorry for the monolog. I'm off now. :-)	[08:17]
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joe100	I made custom module from meebo for chat and I'm completely locked out of my site I made custom module from meebo for chat and I'm completely locked out of my site it was a smarty error <---- fool	[08:33]
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slam28	I added a meebo chat module and now I'm locked out with a smarty error <----- fool how would i fix it? im using cpanel and i have ftp access Anyone? slam28 sobs	[08:38]
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mstef	hi all	[08:59]
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slam28	hi I added a meebo chat module and now I'm locked out	[09:08]
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slam28	with a smarty error im using cpanel and i have ftp access how would i fix it?	[09:08]
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qan	Ticket data corrupts like hell comments moving around from ticket to ticket saving tickets copies stuff from ticket to ticket using multiple tabs gives issues if someone closeses a ticket and you open a ticket, the ticket gets issues Any comments ?	[09:22]
slam28	Anyone?	[09:34]
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qan	slam28: ask again i wasn't here	[10:36]
sylvieg	slam28: is it a module?	[10:46]
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chibaguy	slam28, you can access your database with phpmyadmin and delete the module from the tiki_modules table.	[11:10]
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slam28	I got it I edited wiki-setup.php removed loading of the modules at all then logged in and fixed it. kinda crude heh would anyone know how to insert meebo chat without the whole thing breaking?	[11:18]
chibaguy	Well, whatever works.	[11:20]
slam28	Its much easier on the eyes then the built in chat thingy	[11:20]
ricks99_	hi slam28... i use meebo chat on my tiki... its not embeeded tho.. just a link in new popup	[11:21]
slam28	so you have a link on the page to the mmebo chat?	[11:22]
ricks99_	see: http://www.keycontent.org in "key features" area in left col, select Live Chat	[11:22]
chibaguy	There's a new minichat module at mods.tikiwiki.org, too. ...which seems to be down now.	[11:23]
ricks99_	lots of spam on tw.o forums.....	[11:24]
chibaguy	I'll start deleting	[11:26]
ricks99_	... unless u want to know how to MAKE LOTS OF MONEY :)	[11:26]
chibaguy	oh, yeah, right.	[11:26]
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chibaguy	'meenaz' and his messages are gone. Hope I didn't flush away my ticket to big money.	[11:29]
ricks99_	np. i get plenty of "opportunities" via email ill b more than happy to forwrd to u. :)	[11:30]
chibaguy	oooh, no thanks.	[11:30]
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ricks99_	btw chibaguy.. tx for 'thenews' theme.. very nice & clean. gonna mod it for one of my tikis	[11:32]
chibaguy	your welcome. have fun. maybe changing the column widths would be one thing to do.	[11:32]
ricks99_	y. im using left col only... having to make it wider but i really like the neat & clean look	[11:33]
chibaguy	yeah, that was the main goal. gotta eat now but will be back	[11:34]
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chibaguy_eating	I mean _you're_ welcome (subliminal bothering at the dinner table)	[11:42]
slam28	Rick, how would I change the link to popup a window thats exactly the size of the chat insted of just linking to it? Basically to make it like you've got it :)	[11:46]
ricks99_	need to use an onclick event. something like: <a href="#" onclick="window.open('YOURFILENAME.htm','chat','width=450,height=350')"> feel free to copy from KC.o	[11:47]
slam28	thanks! and I cnat add that to the main menu..... *can't	[11:48]
ricks99_	right. ull need to add it directly to the module (that contains the menu) for example....	[11:49]
slam28	Can I add that to a wiki page?	[11:50]
ricks99_	on KC.o, the "Key Features" module contains the menu that has the first 3 options. Then I added the Live Chate link directly in the module i dont think u can use the onclick in a wiki link	[11:50]
slam28	k thanks	[11:51]
	can't seem to get it... is the <a href="#" onclick="window.open('YOURFILENAME.htm','chat','width=450,height=350')"> code the dta? data do I put that in the dya fireld when i create the module? *data field	[11:56]
ricks99_	y. ur module should look something like: {menu id=xxxx} <a href=.....	[11:58]
slam28	soory I'm not getting it.... I'm in the create sutom module screen *custom	[11:59]
ricks99_	k. first, add the menu that u want... from the "objects that can be included..." select the menu that you want to show and click "use" tiki will automatically add it to the Data area... u'll get something like {menu id=xxxxx got it?	[12:00]
slam28	sec k yes	[12:04]
ricks99_	k... now, in the data area, add the link... <a href...... >	[12:05]
slam28	okie	[12:05]
ricks99_	note: since tiki will strip out the onclick, you need to add it as: {literal}on{/literal}click="......	[12:05]
slam28	not working slam28 bangs his head against the wall I'm having a dumb day heh I have a module	[12:11]
ricks99_	is ur site public? can i see it?	[12:12]
slam28	wikihyp.com	[12:12]
ricks99_	k.. its working, but u need to add the text link.... <a ...>CLICK HERE TO CHAT </a> so very close... :)	[12:13]
slam28	heh sec	[12:14]
ricks99_	nice site.... im strting to feel sleepy.. eyelids becoming heavy.... :)	[12:14]
slam28	heh hypnosis is mmuch easier then this	[12:15]
ricks99_	PERFECT!!! works fne now (the chat link -- not the hypnosis) :)	[12:15]
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slam28	Thanks a million!!	[12:16]
ricks99_	np. have fun	[12:17]
luciash	polom	[12:20]
ricks99_	moloq	[12:20]
luciash	slam28: with 2.0 you could also use wiki syntax link with shadowbox effect, e.g. [link to the chat\|Chat\|shadowbox;width=450;height=350;title=Chat Window]	[12:22]
ricks99_	good point.	[12:23]
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amette	luciash: need to fix the wiki-parser still btw!! There's a regression-bug with nocache!	[13:18]
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luciash	amette: oh ? i thought it got fixed already by itself :-p	[13:24]
amette	oh, it did? wow - kewl! Tikiwiki - all out-of-one-box - including selfhealing code... :P	[13:27]
luciash	amette: at least i don't get any problem with it on a.eu ;)	[13:28]
amette	yeah, because I everywhere, where I had nocache, put in [..\|noref\|nocache] :P	[13:28]
luciash	aah :-p	[13:29]
amette	the problem is not that you can't combine refs and nocache, the problem is that if you had nocache before in your links, then it is now interpreted as ref="nocache" ;)	[13:29]
luciash	i see the problem now, ok	[13:30]
amette	which reciprocally means: all the nocache-pages get cached now and added an ugly (cache) even in places, where it shouldn't be ;) ok :)	[13:30]
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luciash	i think it would be easy to fix by checkin' if the param == nocache don't put it in rel="" ...	[13:34]
amette	and what if someone wants to put [http://me.com\|Me\|nocache\|nocache] ;)	[13:35]
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luciash	no problem then, it would check at the third position only i think but i'm not looking at the code now so it's just a guess	[13:37]
amette	how about putting the rel as \|rel=xyz\| in there? then it's totally clear and easy to parse... sadly we can't change nocache to \|nocache=[y\|n]\| now any more... :-/	[13:38]
luciash	hmm, i think it's more complicated for users	[13:40]
amette	huh? why?	[13:40]
luciash	some users have problems to find "=" on their keyboard, even ;)	[13:40]
amette	who is fancy enough to know what a rel-attribute does and wants it to use - he's smart enough to understand a variable association :P ROFL :P	[13:40]
luciash	but well, "[" and "]" is even harder :-p	[13:41]
amette	hehehe ;P	[13:41]
Caarrie	Caarrie sends luciash ===================	[13:42]
luciash	luciash does svn up	[13:42]
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amette	see luciash : from Caarrie you can copy paste - we can make a wiki-page with the complete ASCII-charset for people to copy-paste their "=" from ;P	[13:43]
Caarrie	:P anyone here use docbook for making websites?	[13:43]
ricks99_	*rick prefers dita	[13:45]
Caarrie	i have a docbook site i just need help with it, and i cant change it otherwise	[13:46]
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maskiepop	hi	[15:36]
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maskiepop	new to tikiwiki. trying to install it in ubuntu. what is the id command that is supposed to give me the apache id and apache group name? if i install and make a mess of it, is there an uninstall command to get me back to where I was before?	[15:38]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sept_7 :: r 14002 /branches/experimental/tiki-pdo/ (db/tiki-db.php lib/tikidblib.php): [EHN] : brings tiki into PDO world !	[16:04]
maskiepop	hi. am new to tikiwiki. trying to install it in ubuntu.	[16:05]
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maskiepop	if i make a mess installing it, is there an uninstall command to get me back to my original position?	[16:05]
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maskiepop	what is the id command that is supposed to give me tha apache userid and apache group? is that a php command?	[16:07]
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SEWilco2	maskiepop: I just expand the tar.bz2 file into a directory of its own. To uninstall, just delete everything in the directory (the "rm -r directoryname" command), and delete the database.	[16:18]
maskiepop	it doesn't update databases and all?	[16:21]
SEWilco2	maskiepop: What doesn't update?	[16:21]
maskiepop	the setup.sh	[16:21]
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SEWilco2	maskiepop: If you're trying to uninstall and want to get rid of the database, what setup.sh put in that one database doesn't matter, does it? maskiepop: Create a separate database for TikiWiki when installing. It can run in the same database server as other databases. maskiepop: And I think setup.sh only tinkers with files within the TikiWiki directory (and subdirectories). I've run it as an ordinary user. The problem with using it as an ordinary user is some things, such as uploading, won't work because the Apache web server doesn't have permissions. Had to grant it permission. In my system, I see the Apache account info is in /etc/apache2/envvars.	[16:22]
maskiepop	ok. if i run it with su setup.sh ubuntu_usr www-data 02777 mydomain.com, i have the mydomain as a subdir of www. does mydomain become a virtual host?	[16:27]
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maskiepop	on the other hand, if i run the setup.sh as sudo setup.sh www-data www-data, and i have defined mydomain as a subdir of www, can i just simply use http://mydomain/index.html?	[16:37]
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maskiepop	i mean after running the setup and assuming it ended cleanly	[16:39]
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SEWilco2	maskiepop: virtual hosting is defined in the web server	[16:41]
maskiepop	SEWilco2: I know. I've been reading about it. but I cannot relatet it to setup.sh. Not sure whether setup.sh will build it, or i have to build it manually.	[16:42]
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SEWilco2	maskiepop: In Ubuntu, a file should be created in /etc/apache2/sites-available for the virtual host. Then a link to the sites-available file should be created in sites-enabled and restart Apache (sudo apache2ctl restart) The directory where the virtual host's data is will be defined in the Apache2 site file. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/	[16:43]
maskiepop	SEWilco2: meaning I have to do it manually after the setup.sh? doesnt't the fourth, fifth parms of setup.sh says it's a virtual host? that's where i get confused -- whether the fourth parm of setup.sh is the name of a virtual host, that will be built.	[16:45]
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SEWilco2	A TikiWiki virtual host is different. TW virtual host means one copy of TikiWiki is servicing several sites, so a single TW database contains tables for several sites.	[16:47]
maskiepop	SEWilco2: perhaps u can tell me how you run your setup.sh? what parms did you specify?	[16:48]
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SEWilco2	maskiepop: I think it was 'sudo sh setup.sh www-data www-data' maskiepop: But that means I have to use sudo when I'm altering the TikiWiki files, such as when installing updates. For testing, I used 'chmod -R myaccount' then 'sh setup.sh myaccount www-data' so the files were still owned by myaccount. Oops. typo.	[16:49]
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SEWilco2	'chown -R myaccount *'	[16:52]
maskiepop	SEWilco2: you have a subdir under/var/www? is that the myaccount? sorry about this. new to linux as well.	[16:54]
SEWilco2	TikiSheet problem: I'm trying to have 'T' or 'true' shown when two other columns have the same value. But =(H3==K3) when saved shows "true=(H2=". maskiepop: It doesn't have to be in /var/www. The Apache configuration can tell it where the directory is. It is customary to have a /var/www subdir or a symlink to the actual location. A symbolic link is a named pointer, created with 'sudo ln -s /some/dir/someplace /var/www/mysite1'	[16:55]
maskiepop	SEWilco2: ok. i have unpacked the tar.bz2 in /var/www/mydom. if i sudo ./setup.sh www-data www-data can i now simply do an http://mydom/index.html afterwards. SEWilco2: i take it i still have to worry about permissions?	[17:00]
SEWilco2	http://mydom/mydom/index.html by default. The setup.sh should fix permissions. There also is an 'sudo sh htaccess.sh' available if you want the _htaccess rewriting rules. To change from http://mydom/mydom/ to http://mydom/ you'll have to tell Apache to use the directory mydom as the home directory for http://mydom/	[17:01]
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maskiepop	SEWilco2: ok. good. It's getting a bit clearer. do yo use the htaccess? I may have to read on that. are there any advantages having it?	[17:06]
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maskiepop	SEWilco2: where do i specify to apache to use only http://mydom/ rather than http://mydom/mydom/?	[17:09]
SEWilco2	I use htaccess for SEF URL reasons; I created a custom menu with My+Page+Link type URLs, which requires .htaccess, so bots will crawl those URLs. maskiepop: with "DocumentRoot" in the site definition: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/examples.html I made 1.9.11 also emit SEFURLs for most tools, and am trying to figure out the 2.0 SEFURL code so 2.0 can also emit SEFURLs. But the default TW .htaccess will work with Some+Page+Title type URLs on 1.9.11; the 2.0 .htaccess also accepts spaces in URLs.	[17:10]
maskiepop	SEWilco2: thanks heaps. i will have a read on the htaccess. i am only trying to install on my pc, not a remote webserver yet. just want to try tw -- just a few pages.	[17:14]
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maskiepop	SEWilco2: one more thing about vhosts, on local pc? do I need to have the domain name in the DNS as well?	[17:19]
SEWilco2	For a local PC test it hardly matters. If you have an externally-accessible web server then you can put it in DNS.	[17:21]
harold	Hi, can anyone tell me if it's possible to get the username posted next to a page when modified, when it is included as part of another one?	[17:21]
SEWilco2	Or you can put an entry in /etc/hosts and only your local server will know that name. harold: pronoun trouble. What is the "it" of "it is included" and what is "one"?	[17:21]
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SEWilco2	Lately I've been hearing Obama is The One. But that doesn't seem to be your problem. Yet.	[17:22]
maskiepop	SEWilco2: I want this work completely local. I simply create an etc/hosts directory? at the moment i don't have one.	[17:22]
SEWilco2	maskiepop: If you add a line to /etc/hosts which says "127.0.0.1 some.domain" then that machine will go to that IP address when you refer to "some.domain".	[17:24]
maskiepop	SEWilco2: in my reading of /etc/hosts it seems it gets built when doing some networking, is that right? can i just create the /etc/hosts directory	[17:24]
SEWilco2	maskiepop: The outside world won't know about your /etc/hosts entry. And 127.0.0.1 is an IP address which refers to that one machine. maskiepop: Often /etc/hosts gets stuff added to it when configuring networking. I don't know where Ubuntu might have configuration tools for it.	[17:25]
harold	SEWilco2: sorry, I mean that I have a page that is included within another. When a user modifies this included page, the "last modification: Thursday 31 of July, 2008 [14:54:35] by JohnSmith" statement does not appear beneath the included page; it only appears on the page that includes it	[17:26]
SEWilco2	maskiepop: But for testing TW, do you really need to do the Apache configuration stuff? Any old URL will be sufficient for testing the capabilities.	[17:26]
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SEWilco2	harold: I suspect it is the job of the inclusion plugin to emit modification info, but I don't know of plugins which have an option to emit that info.	[17:27]
harold	SEWilco2: hm ok, I was wondering if ther is is some configuration setting one can change to permit this	[17:28]
maskiepop	SEWilco2: let me see: here's how i proceed: a) create /etc/hosts dir b) set up the 127.0.0.1 mydom in /etc/hosts c) execute sudo setup.sh www-data www-data . i thought i'd follow something that is close enough to what it will be eventually. maybe it's more work now. but probably the safe thing for a beginner?	[17:28]
SEWilco2	maskiepop: For a beginner, forget the hosts stuff	[17:29]
harold	Hey one other thing - does anyone know when TikiWiki 2.0 will be out of Beta stage?	[17:29]
SEWilco2	maskiepop: Just put the TW stuff in a directory and access it with whatever URL your webserver wants. Probably http://localhost/mydir/ if you're using /var/www/mydir maskiepop: For testing I've even used http://myserver/~myaccount/testdir/tikiwiki-1.9.11/ maskiepop: If you decide to use TikiWiki you can later figure out the Apache stuff to use a different URL. maskiepop: If you use .htaccess you may have to edit a couple of lines with the actual directory if you're not configuring Apache. For testing you might omit the htaccess.sh stuff.	[17:30]
maskiepop	SEWilco2: meaning tw is already installed by just unpacking? and I just worry about the permissions? do i have all the directories already? or do I have to build them?	[17:33]
SEWilco2	maskiepop: TW runs in the directory where you expand it. The setup.sh is just to set the permissions of the directories and files so the web server can better access them.	[17:34]
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maskiepop	SEWilco2: i just did the http://localhost/mydir/. it is telling me to run tiki-install.php	[17:35]
SEWilco2	Yup. You have to configure the database info. Did you create a MySql database? Did you see http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Installation&bl=y	[17:36]
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maskiepop	not yet. I got confused about virt hosts and the setup.sh.	[17:37]
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navishkar61	hello	[17:54]
NefariousC	Hi!!!	[17:54]
navishkar61	@marclaporte: dev.tikiwiki and info.tikiwiki pages don't seem to load	[17:55]
marclaporte	thanks	[17:57]
navishkar61	btw, wiki-translation is also not loading	[17:58]
marclaporte	same server I sent support request	[18:01]
navishkar61	oh ok, cool	[18:01]
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marclaporte	back now	[18:20]
	marclaporte is working with Christine on admin panel moving stuff to experimental, etc making it easier for new users I hope you like	[18:28]
SEWilco2	dev.tw.o was not responding -- now I'm getting blank pages as responses.	[18:36]
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NefariousC	(By working with, what he means is, making irrational demands)	[18:38]
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SEWilco2	SEWilco2 (tries to remember whether one multiplies or divides by SQRT(-1) to cancel irrationality)	[18:41]
lphuberdeau	divide	[18:41]
Darkbee	Hello all, I had a question about storing files in the database versus in a directory. Is this purely down to personal preference and/or server configuration limitations? Or would one be preferred over the other?	[18:41]
SEWilco2	I asked a similar question yesterday with no answer, because file batch upload warns "Please do not use this feature to upload data into the database. " without explanation.	[18:43]
Darkbee	I'm assuming in general that storing files in a database, kinda defeats the purpose of having a database, but I'm not an expert on that particuarly large files but I could be wrong	[18:45]
sylvieg1	http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=File%20Gallery%20Config&structure=Documentation	[18:45]
SEWilco2	Well, a file system is a database for files. But one has to worry about name conflicts.	[18:46]
sylvieg1	the criteria is if you have large files	[18:46]
Darkbee	Thanks sylvieg1.. I did read that before define large >10mb? >5mb?	[18:46]
sylvieg1	depends on php.ini setting for large file upload too	[18:47]
Darkbee	yes...but a filesystem is a specific kind of database with a specific purpose in mind. ..... is a good answer :) so in other words the performance of the database shouldn't suffer too greatly, if at all, even if you're uploading 5mb files?	[18:47]
sylvieg1	sylvieg1 uses only directories... but I have always ssh access on my servers	[18:48]
Darkbee	Darkbee is of the opinion that if directories are good enough for the devs then they are good enough for him Darkbee will go check what he can and can't do on his server I have shared hosting so I suspect there will be some limitations	[18:48]
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Darkbee	Directories would seem to make the most sense to me UNLESS you're uploading mainly text files and then you can use the functions of the database for text searching but beyond that I can't imagine that it makes a lot of sense to store binary objects in the DB... just my personal opinion.	[18:50]
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SEWilco2	But if you're uploading a .doc file, the database doesn't search it -- what is searched is 8K of the output of a filter.	[18:51]
Darkbee	specifically a .doc or any plain text file?	[18:52]
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Darkbee	it's kinda moot in my case because I'm thinking I'll be mostly uploading images	[18:52]
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SEWilco2	Specifically a non-text file. I don't know whether full text search looks at contents of a text file. (I defined a text/plain filter in my system :-)	[18:52]
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SEWilco2	But then, I used 'col' as my text/plain filter because some text files have stuff like backspacing, and I don't know what MySql would do with that.	[18:54]
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harold	hi can someone offer some help with the batch_load_pages mod?	[19:28]
	the syntax is batch_load_pages.php?file=pages.csv&max=30000 ... I am unclear on how to specify the filename / filepath of the pages.csv	[19:34]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by marclaporte :: r 14006 /branches/2.0/tiki-admin_include_jukebox.php: [DEL] Remove useless file	[19:37]
Darkbee	harold: Have you tried using a url encoded backslash for the path? (%2F) I have no idea btw... I'm just guessing sorry.. I meant forward slash	[19:38]
harold	Darkbee: hm - ok i will try that...	[19:40]
Darkbee	I'd be curious to know if it works	[19:43]
sylvieg1	the cvs file must be on the server	[19:43]
harold	sylvie: oh - the csv needs to be on the server? ok - and how is the filepath specified? ie, relative path? this is a linux box so obviously wouldn't use "C: etc"	[19:44]
sylvieg1	the batch..ph must be in the tikiwiki root I am sure it will work if you put the file in the tikiwiki root other wise try the path relative to the tw root ex: temp/file.csv I suppose it can be also outside the tw dir ... but I never testes tested	[19:45]
marclaporte	On a clean install, Christine got a problem with password encryption	[19:50]
NefariousC	CRYPT_MD5 not implemented on this system ^^^ Tragic.	[19:50]
marclaporte	it's a blocker fro 2.0 because user can't change the admin password	[19:50]
NefariousC	(BTW, using XAMPP on OSX)	[19:51]
sylvieg1	:-( nyloth cahnges the defaults 2 days ago I think...	[19:51]
harold	sylvieg: thanks for your help!! it worked! sylvieg: Would it be possible to add instructions about filepath, etc to the tw.o doc page?	[19:55]
sylvieg1	sure harold : no problem - go with teh doc	[19:56]
Darkbee	Sorry Harold, I assumed the file was on the same server as Tiki gotta run	[19:58]
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sylvieg1	marclaporte: can you replace a line in lib/setup/prefs.php $prefs['feature_crypt_passwords'] = (CRYPT_MD5 == 1)? 'crypt-md5': 'tikihash' ;	[19:59]
harold	sylvieg, one question - is it possible to modify the file so that it overwrites what is in an existing page, and be run subsequently?	[20:00]
sylvieg1	sylvieg1 is happy to find a system where it can be tested	[20:00]
harold	problem is we have several Wiki pages that will be re-written nightly	[20:00]
SEWilco2	New type of hybrid file can upload attack code within image upload. http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/01/184220	[20:01]
sylvieg1	harold: if you do an additional option, go for it	[20:01]
marclaporte	sylvieg1: : that didn't work for NefariousC...	[20:13]
NefariousC	sylvieg1: It looks like it's doing password setting stuff before the preference is set.	[20:14]
sylvieg1	did you close the browser - do be sure the prefs was reloaded	[20:14]
harold	sylvieg: are there any changes to this batch_load_pages.php file in tiki 2.0? i am running 1.9.11, but we are considering upgrading soon...have there been any reported / known issues using batch in 2.0?	[20:16]
NefariousC	sylvieg1: Looks like a new browser made that happy.	[20:16]
sylvieg1	if NefariousC is happy - i will commit to 2.0	[20:16]
NefariousC	sylvieg1: It appears to work. Just re-nuked my database, and it was happy to let me re set my password	[20:17]
sylvieg1	harold: the batch is 1.9 - I think it can work with 2.0	[20:17]
marclaporte	yay!	[20:17]
harold	sylvieg: ok good, thanks much! i will try to see if i can put in a mod to overwrite existing pages...crossing fingers	[20:18]
sylvieg1	harold: you will need 2 fucntion $tikilib->page_exists and $tikilib->update_page	[20:20]
marclaporte	marclaporte repairs dev.tw.o db	[20:21]
SEWilco2	SEWilco2 wipes sweat from marclaporte's brow	[20:23]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 14008 /branches/2.0/lib/setup/prefs.php: [FIX]login: some system do not have crypt-md5. In this case go back to tikihash (very conservative) . Perhaps anther method must be choosen?	[20:35]
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marclaporte	sylvieg1: I think there is missing div or something here; http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=How%20to%20get%20commit%20access&compare=1&oldver=26&newver=27&diff_style=sidediff	[20:55]
sylvieg1	strange... ah ok	[20:57]
	marclaporte: can I fix this in 2.0 - because I can not reproduce in trunk	[21:05]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by princessxine :: r 14011 /branches/2.0/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [FIX/MOD] Moving some of the options around on the feature page / textarea page.	[21:05]
sylvieg1	whois princessxine? I do not think it is a good idea to do this in 2.0 marclaporte: I do not hink the rearranging in 2.0 is a good idea	[21:10]
NefariousC	I am princessxine. (Marc made me do it.)	[21:16]
marclaporte	yes, please fix in 2.0, that's were bug is	[21:16]
sylvieg1	ther is no bug fix anymore in 2.0 ...	[21:17]
marclaporte	oh admin panel was very bad now, it's bad We needed to move some stuff in experimental because some things are pretty broken but no feature change just moving checkboxes around So the 6000 people that download per month (soon more) will be less confused	[21:17]
sylvieg1	but you are doing very dangerous stuff - moving around ... it is easy to mess up ....	[21:19]
marclaporte	just html changing password crypt was dangerous the new xss lib is dangerous it ate some characters on dev.tw.o	[21:19]
sylvieg1	I do not want to polemic - but there are security realetd	[21:26]
marclaporte	that pagehistory bug is weird missing commas (,) here: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=Report%20a%20Bug&compare=1&oldver=31&newver=32&diff_style=sidediff I hope it's fixed in later svn up marclaporte doesn't like the tabs in the admin panels 1. when I edit, I am not kept on current tab 2. I would like direct URL to tab or to achor so we can send people to appropriate section	[21:40]
sylvieg1	I do not like this tab too	[21:44]
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marclaporte	A bug in wiki history seems like an important fix for 2.0 if it was in the tiki-directory, I wouldn't bother... but a wiki with a broken history? ( I know it's just layout but...) For sure, we'll need a 2.1 then :-)	[21:48]
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marclaporte	I think no one answered to Gary's question about why TW logo is at the top	[21:53]
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SEWilco2	sylvieg1: In modifier.sefurl.php where does $type get set? I'm not finding sefurl variable modifier calls with any parameters.	[22:02]
sylvieg1	it will be set as other paran to modifier $page:sefurl:wiki sorry ($page\|sefurl:wiki}	[22:03]
SEWilco2	sylvieg1: I'm not seeing any 'sefurl:' anywhere.	[22:04]
sylvieg1	*} soory templates/modules/mod-wiki_last_comments.tpl:	[22:04]
SEWilco2	In 2.0RC4 I only see \|sefurl} there with no colon.	[22:06]
sylvieg1	yes because was only used for wiki page	[22:07]
SEWilco2	By default $type is set to 'wiki' so it is defaulting to wiki. Is it just that at present sefurl is never being invoked except for wiki pages?	[22:07]
sylvieg1	job on its way	[22:07]
SEWilco2	OK, so that's why I couldn't find magic which was identifying only wiki links. The magic is done by human editor.	[22:09]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by marclaporte :: r 14015 /branches/2.0/templates/tiki-admin-include-features.tpl: [FIX] Missing link to the documentation	[22:10]
SEWilco2	I'll add code for other kinds of sefurls. Then I just have to grind through all the calls for various kinds of pages and label them. I sort of preferred my template which rewrote URLs by pattern.	[22:11]
sylvieg1	what do you mean ? perhaps you have a good idea? the postfilter sefurl is too slow	[22:12]
SEWilco2	Define "postfilter sefurl".	[22:13]
sylvieg1	the old method used in 1.9 - documetned somewhere in tikiwiki.org	[22:14]
SEWilco2	Oh, I think I was using a postfilter. A Smarty output filter with 'href=..." patterns. Yeah, that would use more CPU than prelabeling each type of link. Prelabeling each kind of URL is basically preprocessing at edit time. Then all that has to be checked is the label when emitting it. OK, I'll use the 2.0 method.	[22:14]
sylvieg1	marclaporte: : side by side diff fix in 2.0 - please check that all the side by side diff are ok - it should not affect other diffs	[22:23]
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marclaporte	marclaporte will update dev.tw.o to confirm fix no I tested locallly works excellent! super Sylvie! dev.tw.o will be updated one day by someone else :-) got to go enough for today phpbeer.com tonight	[22:42]
sylvieg1	areyou going to phpbeer?	[22:45]
marclaporte	http://phpbeer.com/tiki-calendar.php?editmode=details&calitemId=467 yes	[22:45]
sylvieg1	... I was lloking at bostonphph	[22:45]
marclaporte	hehe	[22:45]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by nyloth :: r 14019 /branches/2.0/ (6 files in 3 dirs): [FIX] wiki: make optionnal the 'Wiki authors style by page settings' tfeature that was not in previous stable version, as asked by many people.	[22:45]
sylvieg1	sylvieg1 needs to meet these guys	[22:45]
marclaporte	thank nyloth for this fix sylvieg1: : september in Washington TikiFest will be online tomorrow take care!	[22:46]
sylvieg1	be easy with the ber - perhaps it is hot in Montreal	[22:47]
luciash	luciash kicks PS\|bot :-p	[22:51]
amette	be cool, she's RSS-based, she only fetches sometimes in between... ;)	[22:52]
luciash	i know, that was just a shameless joke ;)	[22:53]
amette	oh, you shameless bro, you ;)	[22:53]
luciash	PS\|bot: !tikiwiki !tikiwiki	[22:53]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by luciash :: r 14020 /branches/2.0/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX] respect nocache parameter at second position too (as before adding rel for shadowbox) SVN: Commit by nyloth :: r 14019 /branches/2.0/ (6 files in 3 dirs): [FIX] wiki: make optionnal the 'Wiki authors style by page settings' tfeature that was not in previous stable version, as asked by many people. SVN: Commit by marclaporte :: r 14018 /branches/2.0/templates/tiki-admin-include-features.tpl: [FIX] Fix link to the documentation	[22:54]
amette	w00t :)	[22:54]
luciash	but your suggestion would be certainly more clever solution bro than the original syntax because then it would be no problem to get raw URL links to open in shadowbox or prevent them from caching too now [someURL\|nocache] becomes link appearing as "nocache" while [someURL\|cache=n] would be easily distinguished	[22:56]
amette	uhm, sorry - I sadly had one and a half beers too much to right now wrap my brain around that regex-diff I found in my CVS-inbox.....	[22:59]
luciash	to preserve environment we have to support the old style but we can add it later to the trunk i think	[22:59]
amette	hmm, that means a regression for a whole major release... :-/	[22:59]
luciash	amette: LOL :D	[22:59]
amette	g well, at least we don't really break stuff any more - that's imho very good! on the other hand: we need to think about what these short release cycles mean for such stuff...	[23:00]
luciash	amette: you don't have to study the regexp after these beers ;) just test it in a wiki page	[23:01]
amette	luciash: good, ok then - and I will turn on music on start philosophizing about community ;) amette listens to "Killing in the name of..." errr, wait.... :O "Take the power back" is better! ;P	[23:01]
luciash	now there's the other bug with no external links caching and no "cache" links appearing when you do not create a new page or same URL appears on one page non-cached but that's already over my current plate	[23:03]
amette	but for real: having short cycles means deciding much faster (or having more overhead in coding, discussion and collaboration in experimental branches)...	[23:04]
luciash	g, silence here... :)	[23:04]
amette	.... and as this example shows: some bugs might sneak in, not get noticed for half a year, then fixed....	[23:05]
luciash	amette: can you confirm it's fixed at your site ?	[23:05]
amette	... and then people got used to the behaviour during that half a year - and then we "fix" it - and then people get a "broken environment" instead of being able to rely on always being able to upgrade with downwards-compat...	[23:06]
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amette	... tricky, tricky - we need muuuuch more (self)-discipline with the new release cycle!! - It's one of the classical "Choose your poison"-situations! luciash: mom - checkout just finished amette runnin' fixperms	[23:07]
SEWilco2	SEWilco2 checks his shelf of poisons. Feeds the rats.	[23:08]
amette	LOL :P In germany we(well, we 'cool' people ;) ) say: It's the choice between pest and cholera! ;)	[23:08]
SEWilco2	The bugs are taken care of by the spiders.	[23:08]
amette	spiderr left :P	[23:09]
SEWilco2	I had a tiny spider on my screen last night. It saw the mouse pointer. So I pushed it over to the side of the screen.	[23:09]
amette	you mean like that? http://bash.org/?291262 ;)	[23:10]
SEWilco2	Similar. But spider was same size as my lowercase 'o'. So not scary. And moved away from mouse pointer rather than chased it.	[23:13]
amette	hehe ;)	[23:13]
luciash	:D i have just fly's "shit" on mine :-/	[23:14]
amette	that reminds me of wanting to clean my monitor since some days... ... perhaps I then also see the (cache) thingies right... :P ( cause it really doesn't look too good right now... :( )	[23:15]
luciash	heh, i have to do it every day now in da hot summer :-(	[23:15]
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amette	luciash: see the cv on my page - the "(cache)"s are back... and I didn't edit the page... :-/ I made a complete copy of my webroot, so we can roll-back easily to test. ( copy before checkout I mean ) amette makes a DB-dump to be able to freely play around	[23:17]
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zorp	hi all	[23:18]
amette	heya	[23:19]
zorp	I've been wokring on an implementation of a footnotes/references feature	[23:19]
amette	you wrote that on devel-list, right?	[23:20]
luciash	amette: fuck :( now tell me why i do test it before commit and it appears working well while at your site it's completely different then ? :-/	[23:20]
zorp	yah	[23:20]
SEWilco2	zorp: Maybe you should call it citations, to avoid confusion with the existing 'footnote'.	[23:20]
amette	luciash: fuck, I the fuckin' fuck don't fuckin' know :((	[23:20]
zorp	SEWilco2 : whatever the final name would be is fine by me - but then again I think the current footnotes should have their names changed :)	[23:21]
amette	amette wants to state that is is a running joke over the day between luciash and himself and part of the strange humour sometimes used in this channel - and not the common way to talk to each other... ;)	[23:21]
zorp	anyhoop - I have a preliminary code, but would like to ask for people who may want to test it	[23:21]
SEWilco2	zorp: I agree, but I'm new here.	[23:22]
amette	zorp: yes, the current footnotes are _badly_ named imho, too!!	[23:22]
luciash	luciash agrees too, should be named "personal note"	[23:23]
amette	zorp: please commit to trunk and it will be surely tested as I guess that many people would want to use it! "personal note" is good imho	[23:23]
zorp	amette - thats my point, I would like to people to test it first before I commit - it is an addition to tikilib.php after the maketoc codes so it needs to be tested by others as well	[23:24]
amette	zorp: yes, that's why I suggested Trunk and not current frozen branch... ... we are currently at implementing a new release schedule... ... so before it would have been _totally_, _absolutely_ and _whatever_ perfect to commit to trunk...	[23:24]
zorp	this trunk thing is confusing the heck outa me...	[23:25]
amette	... nowadays Trunk is a bit more tight - but your extension surely is nothing that will break stuff badly... ... and we have half a year until trunk becomes branch - so people will find breakages for sure! :)	[23:25]
zorp	is the whole trunk vs branch issue explained somewhere? (for n00bs)	[23:26]
amette	( well, use common sense - if it is something fancy, hiding in the shadows and showing breakages only after two years... then probably go to experimental... but that's _total_ overkill for your feature )	[23:27]
luciash	SVN trunk is like CVS HEAD	[23:27]
amette	zorp: yes, here: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ the current plan for future usage of those two in TikiWiki is still not totally frozen... it's kind of work in progress.... ... but lemme find the stuff about it... mom zorp: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Where+to+commit	[23:27]
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zorp	thanx amette	[23:31]
amette	np, welcome	[23:32]
luciash	bro, i don't know but i think it works fine at your site (see my last edit on the brainstorming page) amette: on the cv page, do you have these links as [URL\|link name\|nocache] ?	[23:32]
amette	I have there [URL\|link name\|noref\|nocache]	[23:33]
luciash	(i can't really tell as i can't see the history/source) ah, ok, well...	[23:33]
amette	g it is one hell of a dumb regression, yes... :P	[23:34]
luciash	did you clean your tiki cache ?	[23:35]
amette	nope - mom	[23:35]
SEWilco2	sylvieg1: Yup, my sefurl mod test is working. Now I have to grind through all the object types and templates.	[23:35]
amette	done - still not better lemme edit and save the page	[23:35]
luciash	i think you have to clean the Wiki cache Admin -> Wiki cache :(	[23:36]
SEWilco2	sylvieg1: I stripped the variable modifier to just call sefurl($page,$type), and put all the $type logic in sefurl().	[23:36]
amette	luciash: I have there globally "0 (no cache)"	[23:36]
luciash	because in the tikilib source i spotted the condition relies on "prefs['cachepages'] == 'y' && this->is_cached(link)"...	[23:37]
amette	ok, so it's definitely the case here I have no global cache and no individual cache either *not the case	[23:37]
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luciash	amette: i mean the "Admin" -> "Wiki cache"	[23:38]
amette	yeah, only external URLs there either aaaaaaaah, wait - WHAT!?!?!?	[23:38]
luciash	amette: not "Admin" -> "Wiki"	[23:39]
amette	no, no - I'm really, totally and absolutely _NOT_ going to clear that one for good! I mean: that's against all what I used it for!!	[23:39]
luciash	but still... yep... that's really weird why should it appear now cached suddenly if you haven't cached them before...	[23:40]
amette	and actually - I put my links in the wiki-page as [http\|url name\|noref\|nocache] and everything was good again - now there is "(cache)" again - so it is another problem for sure! yup, right! ok, resaving the page didn't help either... resaving with changes in the page don't help either links look exactly like this: [http://www.bayreuth.de\|Bayreuth\|noref\|nocache] aaah - removing Bayreuth from the "Admin -> Wiki Cache" helps.... ... fuck! :(	[23:40]
luciash	wth does this work for me ? -> [http://tikiwiki.org/Home\|tw.o\|noref\|nocache]	[23:45]
amette	so, uhm, sorry, but: back to the drawing board? ;) because it is the first call to it and it doesn't get cached then and then it doesn't fetch nothing from the cache... ... it seems like you made bad things worse... :P ( but again, sorry - I might be capable of trial-and-erroring the problem down now - but I can't read those regexes now... ) before your fix, it didn not fetch the stuff from the cache, even if it was in there - but now, it doesn't cache it with correct syntax, BUT if it is in the cache, it still fetches it... (blind, but educated guess)	[23:45]
luciash	but wth ? when i change it to [http://tikiwiki.org/Home\|tw.o\|noref] then i get it properly cached here so it seems to work properly... and when i change back it is not cached again	[23:49]
amette	yep, that works for me, too - but not both ways actually!! when I put \|nocache] in again - it is still cached see the Bayreuth example luciash: I set view_history/source for you	[23:50]
luciash	thanks, i'll have a look can you edit and preview the page ?	[23:52]
amette	I hope so... ;)	[23:54]
luciash	maybe you could use the search and replace to replace the "\|noref", then preview, then add the "\|noref" before the "\|nocache" again and preview again ?	[23:57]
amette	yup, couple of minutes, just on the phone....	[23:59]

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