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InsiderT	!help	[03:48]
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InsiderT	where on the site is there a list of developers who are "certified" to customize a Tiki-based site? is there even such a place?	[03:51]
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chibaguy	InsiderT, there isn't such a certification. But there's a list of people here: http://info.tikiwiki.org/Consultants	[04:07]
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InsiderT	thanks chibaguy, I'll reach out to some of them	[04:40]
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SEWilco	Is there a list of certifiable ones? :-)	[05:56]
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chibaguy	SEWilco, depends on what you mean by certifiable, I guess. There's nothing set up to certify people.	[06:03]
SEWilco	It's American slang for "certifiably insane". :-] SEWilco look for his "Elaborate Certificate" paper	[06:06]
chibaguy	Oh, OK, in that case, the list on info.tw.o is probably accurate. Though these days the certification criteria are getting murkier....	[06:07]
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mlpvolt	chibaguy: around? couple of questions about the pagecontrols thing being develoed in ui.tiki	[08:18]
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chibaguy	hi mlpvolt. What's up?	[08:45]
mlpvolt	hey, knew if i stayed up late enough :)	[08:46]
chibaguy	heh	[08:46]
mlpvolt	checking out the progress on ui.tiki noting that there is now a pagecontrols.tpl	[08:46]
chibaguy	Yep.	[08:47]
mlpvolt	...how do you add or remove things from that list? the <ul> implies a menu, which is nice.	[08:47]
chibaguy	The list is the features, etc. that have been activated. reflecting perms, etc.	[08:48]
mlpvolt	ok, so basically all eligible items are being collected in an array of sorts.	[08:49]
chibaguy	Yes.	[08:50]
mlpvolt	where did the code go that tested all the perms?	[08:50]
chibaguy	That was in the template before? In a lib. If you look in /lib, there are some new files with PageControls in the names.	[08:51]
mlpvolt	interesting . . . if grok what is happening then it it doesn't recheck perms every time you visit a page, or is that sequence just moved elsewhere in the chain.	[08:54]
chibaguy	I haven't looked at how it works. lph is the guy to ask about that. Perms are still checked, I'm sure. ....where the list is created.	[08:55]
mlpvolt	haven't found it yet in lib but thats not urgent. q2 re: the second row in the wiki pagetitle block is that ont its way to becoming tabs?	[08:58]
chibaguy	Actually it's tabs now. If the content area below matched color-wise, it'd be more obvious. But this row can also be styled as buttons or links, etc. If you change the theme at ui.tw.o to The News, you can see an alternative styling.	[09:00]
mlpvolt	i'm referring to View Edit Categorize Comments 0 Attachments 1 History	[09:01]
chibaguy	Right. Those are tabs.	[09:01]
mlpvolt	in my vocab tabs would be something that didn't reload the page, but those are different urls.	[09:02]
chibaguy	This follows the layout Pascal and Patrick showed at TikiFest. I think lph described tabs as different views of the same content. The fact that the url changes may be an implementation detail. Pretty much the page has to reload unless Ajax is used to refresh the tab content. In terms of function, tabs and buttons are similar, to me. Both do actions on the page rather than provide navigation. In Tiki, when Ajax is turned on, wiki page edits happen without a page reload, so we're part way there. ;-) Anyway, the pagecontrols thing improves functionality in a big way. How it's presented visually can be adjusted as we go along.	[09:02]
mlpvolt	yeah thats definitely where the happy place is. :) not waiting for a reload.	[09:09]
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mlpvolt	it looks like there is at most four dropdowns that can appear on the same line as the h1 pagetitle.	[09:11]
chibaguy	There's definitely a potential problem with title width and the number/width of dropdowns.	[09:12]
mlpvolt	backlinks, actions, language, help (on edit screen) i really like that solution. yep, a long pagetitle needs room to wrap.	[09:12]
chibaguy	yeah, how the action items are positioned is totally up to the css.	[09:13]
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chibaguy	Also the title width, etc. What I'm trying to do now is massage the tpls into a form that will allow lots of flexibility via css.[ The COE theme is rather unique in some ways, layout-wise. So it's a bit of a challenge to get the tpls to also support more typical page layouts (thenews.css, etc.).	[09:14]
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mlpvolt_	i have a suggestion for showpage that we a) move the staging and approval down so it sits under the controls and just above the parsed text. b) wrap the content in a conditional div so as to enable a .wikitext .staged selector or a "draft" watermark or something.	[09:17]
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chibaguy	OK. To tell you the truth I've never even looked at staging yet. Not even casually. But definitely it's good to get your suggestions on this.	[09:22]
mlpvolt_	perhaps the same result could be achieved with whatever category the staging ends up in. in general for showpage i'm hoping we can declutter the page as much as possible pagecontrols seems like a fairly sweet solution so far. now imo we need to remove the table that is used for structure nav.	[09:25]
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chibaguy	Yeah, I'm sure the structure nav table will be removed. I've replaced it with divs in some of my themes, so it shouldn't be hard to do.	[09:28]
mlpvolt_	i've sone the same . . . . don't want to have to do it every time any more :)	[09:30]
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mlpvolt_	are you doing tiki full time for a while?	[09:31]
chibaguy	Heh, as it turns out. My company here went down the tubes. So I'm 'available'. ;-) I'm happy except for not much cash coming in. Some tiki stuff, thank goodness.	[09:32]
mlpvolt_	i always find that around xmas it is impossible to get people (clients) to focus on anything trying to get responses is a pain.	[09:34]
chibaguy	Here in Japan, Christmas is not such a big deal, not even an official holiday. But companies are busy trying to finish things up by the end of the year. So for me in the past it was always a busy time.	[09:35]
mlpvolt_	have you heard anything about the tiki marketing strategy? i really liked the ideas that were being kicked aorund in montreal.	[09:35]
chibaguy	Not other than what has been posted at tw.o by Mat since then. I don't know what the strategy is to move forward on that stuff. A lot of ideas were kicked around, but there needs to be some process to focus some discussion and decision-making.	[09:36]
mlpvolt_	uhuh well mat needs a little support and encouragement i think.	[09:38]
chibaguy	I think maybe this ui-revamp is sucking up energy, anyway from my perspective. Maybe when it's more solid, then on to marketing. But after the holidays, for sure.	[09:39]
mlpvolt_	i still feel like a junior community member, so i kinda am interested in how the "sr" members think about this. anyway i'm pretty sure that if we can kick up the marketing three or four notches there will be a lot more contract work in tiki.	[09:40]
chibaguy	At Montreal, people talked about how it was hard to get Tiki accepted seriously by companies, so better marketing, product image, etc., is needed for that. For the first impression.	[09:41]
mlpvolt_	totally.	[09:42]
chibaguy	One way or another, it'll happen, I think.	[09:42]
mlpvolt_	in most orgs the IT staff love the software but the decisionmaker$ aren't falling in love.	[09:42]
chibaguy	These days I would guess cost-effectiveness is a big selling point.	[09:43]
mlpvolt_	this link is my "optimal" structure nav. http://www.nw.wea.org.uk/tiki-index.php?page=The%20WEA%20Educational%20Strands&structure=Teaching (this is a theme patrick and i worked on btw.) just structure breadcrumbs and a link to view/modify structure	[09:43]
chibaguy	Nice and clear.	[09:44]
mlpvolt_	i think we should be bold and just get rid of some things - i was noting that the whole heading/pagecontrols etc can be duplicated down at the bottom on top of page-bar. (what the heck for?)	[09:46]
chibaguy	There was talk of making the pagecontrols tpl position optional: top or bottom.	[09:47]
mlpvolt_	that option should quietly die.	[09:47]
chibaguy	Well, I wouldn't mind testing a bottom position layout, just to see a _really_ clean page top.	[09:47]
mlpvolt_	this is what it looks like now http://hipro.ca/UI/tiki-index.php	[09:49]
chibaguy	Page description, structure nav, etc. are outside of the pagecontrols, so could remain for page top nav. Well, I'd use different pagecontrols CSS if it was at the bottom.	[09:49]
mlpvolt_	one could make the pagecontrols a pseudomodule too. shove it over to the side.	[09:55]
chibaguy	thenews.css does this at ui.tw.o, for the dropdowns. The tabs could be stacked vertically, too. And all put in a box. mozilla support site-style. This time without the custom coding.	[09:56]
mlpvolt_	when i try to change themes in the ui branch it doesn't kick in . . . . until i log out? i'm tempted to say until i try to change theme without using the new admin panel.	[10:00]
chibaguy	Yeah, it's kinda flakey right now.	[10:03]
mlpvolt_	yep, thats the difference. did you say that you put the actions into a module in thenews?	[10:03]
chibaguy	No, not in a module. I just displayed the actions in a vertical menu/box.	[10:07]
mlpvolt_	i see that you put actions inline with all the other "tabs" - good to know that can be done.	[10:07]
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mlpvolt_	i like what was done with the image galleries which now has an actions dropdown of its own.	[10:09]
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mlpvolt_	it would be a good ui thing to generalize. ok time for a nap i guess. thanks gary.	[10:09]
chibaguy	ok, good to talk with you. See you later.	[10:10]
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ricks99	in 2.x calendars, how can i edit/update/remove calendar category? i see no way to get a list of calendar event categories that I can manipulate? is this only possible directly from the db?	[12:58]
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stix	Hi guys. I have just moved tikiwiki to another server and now I get the white screen of death - any suggestions?	[14:51]
Caarrie	php mem limit	[14:51]
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stix	I don't think so	[14:57]
sylvieg	be sure to clear all the cache in tiki-admin_system.php	[14:58]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 16080 /trunk/lib/diff/difflib.php: missing global	[15:15]
stix	why is index.php redirecting to index.html which doesn't exist? There is nothing about it in apache's conf	[15:17]
Caarrie	you only need ONE index.* file	[15:18]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 16082 /trunk/templates/categorize.tpl: [FIX]categ: cycle is only defined later SVN: Commit by sept_7 :: r 16081 /branches/experimental/ui-revamp/ (4 files in 4 dirs): [ENH] add fgal_picker to wikiplugin_img, clean new quicktags lib [FIX] typo in wiki_edit.tpl	[15:25]
ezrakatz	Are there limits to what kind of html you can include in a wiki page? I've tried including html directly, and through the dynamic content system, but tiki changes the code to make it not function. Am I doing something wrong? Is this a security feature? What is the preferred method to include iframes, and tracking scripts? Thanks in advance.	[15:27]
Caarrie	you need to enable html first and check the box in the page	[15:28]
ezrakatz	I've done that it works for simple formatting, but if I include a script or iframe the code is changed once I preview	[15:29]
sylvieg	if you are not a trusted user, some htmls like <script ... are modified for security reason usr the plugins JS and IFRAME	[15:30]
ezrakatz	Is there a way to disable this? I am logged in as the administrator and using the plugins is a bit cumbersome.	[15:31]
sylvieg	in the dev version there ia a perm trusted_user or somethink like that - find out what this perm skip	[15:33]
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ezrakatz	So I need to install the dev version to be able to edit html?	[15:49]
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ezrakatz	I understand security is important, but this crippling of html is very difficult. I have absolutely no use for this security feature and it prevents me from implementing very common website functions. It also is poorly implemented, there should be some sort of message instead of a unexplained change of code. Where is the "off" button for this feature? What can I delete?	[15:56]
sylvieg	there is a setting in the next version....	[15:57]
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sylvieg	try to backport some part of tiki-setup_base,.php around this perm	[15:59]
happy	Greetings!	[15:59]
ezrakatz	Is that where this security feature lives?	[16:00]
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sylvieg	yes	[16:01]
happy	does anyone have insight into the "impossible to copy" message when installing jpgraph???	[16:02]
sylvieg	seems to me as a server setting as jpgraph is installed outside tikiwiki? or is it via mods?	[16:04]
ezrakatz	ok, I'll give it a try. Thank you!	[16:04]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	SVN: Commit by pkdille :: r 16083 /branches/experimental/ui-revamp/pics/icons/anchor.png: [ADD] add anchor icon for quicktags	[16:05]
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happy	via mods	[16:16]
sylvieg	sorry I know nothing about mods - because you need to change the directories perms with fixperm I think?(or another script) and .. I do not like that - perhaps you can install manually jpgraph in any case I think the jpgraph in mods is php4? and the lib has 2 version one from php4 and one for php5?	[16:19]
tomb	sylvieg, yes	[16:20]
sylvieg	the fianl destination of the lib is lib/jpgraph	[16:20]
tomb	i thought the mod where php5 and not php4	[16:21]
sylvieg	tomb: I never remember but as it is you - i think who puts the lib the first time - it is php5 ;-)	[16:21]
tomb	i was wondering if it was me , niclone or you	[16:22]
sylvieg	it is not me It is better to pick up the lib on the site directly	[16:23]
tomb	tomb agree	[16:24]
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sylvieg	do we plan to do something when upload img in a wiki page with a name already existing?	[16:51]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	SVN: Commit by marclaporte :: r 16085 /branches/2.0/styles/thenews.css: [FIX] Minor style fixes to TheNews.css Should these types of corrections just be in Trunk? It has no chance of creating a bug and is making this nice theme more usable. I am worried about merge up though.	[16:55]
ricks99	how do i delete (or edit) a calendar category? i dont see any way in the calendar admin page anyone?	[16:59]
sylvieg	I think it is an unfinished feature	[17:03]
ricks99	k... i also dont see a way to view all events of category "foo" more "to do"? but events cannot be "categorized" -- only a calendar can be categorized, right?	[17:04]
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sylvieg	SEWilco? not sure it is the best implementation for the ARTICLES I will have gone for a {if $module_params.titileonly eq 'y'} in the tiki-view_articles.tpl	[19:10]
SEWilco2	sylvieg: I lean towards that also. Didn't know if there was a 0/1 standard which patch author was following. I'll make a [FIX][ENH] :-) As 'y' allows further extensions with other options for types of titles (ie: title+author).	[19:19]
sylvieg	better to keep a max in the same tpl btw also sefurl must be activated for the format you set in the tpl	[19:22]
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SEWilco2	sylvieg: What do you mean "a max in the same tpl"?	[20:46]
sylvieg	maximum of code in the same template if you need to duplicate	[20:47]
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SEWilco2	max(code): TYPE ERROR: 'code' is of type 'program' rather than 'numeric'. "maximum of code" still not understood.	[20:49]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	SVN: Commit by nyloth :: r 16094 /trunk/tiki-calendar_edit_item.php: [FIX] calendars: fix saving a recurring event without specifying a status (if no status is specified, use the default status of the calendar or 'confirmed' if not set)	[21:25]
SEWilco2	sylvieg: What do you mean by "maximum of code" and "need to duplicate"? I don't see much duplicaition in that tiny .tpl file.	[21:27]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	SVN: Commit by nyloth :: r 16095 /trunk/tiki-calendar.php: [MOD] calendars: use smarty userlink for participants and organizers + little tuning for events width	[21:35]
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	SVN: Commit by sewilco :: r 16100 /trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_articles.php: [ENH] Add summary of "quiet" option to plugin ARTICLES.	[22:26]
	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 16101 /trunk/styles/darkroom.css: [FIX]darkroom: take away some duplication for button + button for IE6 + some styles for calendar	[22:36]
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marclaporte	hi Eric!	[22:39]
wikiman	hi Marc there it is.	[22:39]
marclaporte	wikiman: : your next step: a commit!	[22:39]
wikiman	here i am, to save the day (or not) i'll be working on it. hi folks. I've been working with Marc on some tikis for my business and became addicted. I'm pretty new, but hoping to contribute as time permits.	[22:40]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	SVN: Commit by nyloth :: r 16102 /trunk/ (lib/tikilib.php tiki-calendar.php): [FIX] calendars: fix some errors/notices reported	[22:46]
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nyloth	Hi all	[22:48]
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marclaporte	polom nyloth marclaporte sees that nyloth is keeping busy nyloth is continuing to put pressure on SourceForge SVN :-)	[23:21]

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