#tikiwiki 2010-08-02,Mon

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fabricius_	hello	[00:18]
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fabricius	hi back from france Vosges rocks	[00:18]
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luciash	polom	[04:27]
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amette	moloq	[04:32]
luciash	hey early birdies :-p	[04:34]
amette	hehe, well, I'm more like late ;) been working all night, didn't notice time going by	[04:35]
luciash	you seem rather too late bro	[04:35]
amette	hehe, yup :) well, I'll say goodnight then now...	[04:36]
luciash	luciash is early (exceptional situation), cause spent night in tent in the garden w/ kid	[04:36]
amette	... you made me look at the time, thanks bro :) ah, cool :)	[04:36]
luciash	sleep well :)	[04:37]
amette	thanks - cu :)	[04:37]
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chibaguy	polomonday	[06:04]
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luciash	polom chibaguy is there still time to put fixes and Czech translation update before Tiki 5.1 release ?	[06:29]
chibaguy	Hi luciash. Yes, I think so. I didn't see any specific release time yet. I think maybe the release time is around http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestBigBlueButton (Aug. 15-18)	[06:31]
luciash	oki :)	[06:36]
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chibaguy	Speaking of bugs, I wonder if the odd browser title at tw.o is due to a bug (url appears on the tab, not wiki page name, etc.).	[06:44]
luciash	ithink it depends on page (if it has description) or section (if it is implemented) there's set use page's description for title	[06:54]
coaboa	hi all	[06:55]
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luciash	hi coa chibaguy: imho it should fallback to page title if description is empty chibaguy: whould be better solution i think	[06:57]
chibaguy	yes, that makes sense. hi coaboa	[06:59]
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luciash	hmm, what's going on with my local copy of tiki branch5 ? luciash gets "Tiki is unable to connect to the database" after svn up	[07:04]
chibaguy	does your db/local.php look ok? bbl. got to catch the train home. :-)	[07:05]
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luciash	ah, somehow, my mysql was stopped :-p	[07:07]
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luciash	Sug4r: what was that, my dear bot ?	[07:14]
Sug4r	Pardon?	[07:14]
luciash	:)	[07:14]
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CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03eromneg * r28248 10/trunk/templates/tiki-blog_post.tpl: MOD] allow blog post edit screen to use full screen width - particularly important for wysiwyg editor	[07:37]
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yonixxxxx	hi	[08:06]
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olio	Hey. I want tiki-shoutbox to show only the message and not the User, Timedate, Message. I've tried to change the code in lib/shoutbox/shoutboxlib.php but i can't seem to find the right place where the output is generated	[08:14]
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luciash	olio: templates/tiki-shoutbox.tpl or templates/modules/mod-shoutbox.tpl iirc	[08:46]
olio	ah ok, found it, thx.	[08:54]
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jonnyb	polom.1	[10:27]
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chibaguy	chibaguy ponders the possible meanings of polom.1....	[10:37]
jonnyb	hi chibaguy	[10:37]
chibaguy	hi jonnyb	[10:37]
jonnyb	shall we do a release? (probably a bit late in the day for you) oh, i was going to have a look at the colorbox bug you posted first... seems odd that it changed	[10:37]
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ricks99	Hi all	[10:46]
sylvieg	polom	[10:47]
jonnyb	hi ricks99, sylvieg and all should we try and release 5.1 today?	[10:48]
sylvieg	we can	[10:48]
ricks99	go for it	[10:48]
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ricks99	I started a rel note for 5.1 but need help	[10:49]
Blue_	IE8 showing "error on page" even for http://info.tikiwiki.org. Is this universal or do I have a problem with my browser?	[10:50]
jonnyb	Blue_: do the other two sites have that error too? no error in safari, probably in IE special sylvieg & ricks99: i'll do a mail to the devels to say we'll start releasing... when? in a "few" hours?	[10:51]
ricks99	@Blue_ can u clear the IE cache. My IE 8 reports no errors	[10:52]
jonnyb	maybe i should have a look at 5.x in IE	[10:52]
Blue_	jonnyb: Firefox does not show any error. What other two sites are you referring to?	[10:52]
jonnyb	doc.tiwiki.org for instance	[10:53]
sylvieg	jonnyb: ok for me	[10:53]
jonnyb	(spelt properly of course) ok, will do a mail, then read "how to release" :)	[10:53]
ricks99	@Blue_: confirm that you are NOT running IE in "compatability mode" @jonnyb: sounds good. pls include in email to 1. review the rl notes and 2. review the news release too ricks99 sees no errors for info.tw.o in IE 7 either	[10:53]
Blue_	http://doc.tikiwiki.org has the same error in IE8. IE is not in compatability mode.	[10:54]
jonnyb	ricks99: if you have the urls handy do you want to do the mail? Blue_: what language are you "in"	[10:55]
Blue_	jonnyb: english	[10:55]
jonnyb	hmm (sometimes translations can break javascript strings)	[10:56]
ricks99	@Blue_: what is ur exact IE8 version. I have 8.0.6001 and see no errors reproted	[10:56]
Blue_	ricks99: IE version 8.0.7600.16385	[10:57]
ricks99	hm.... ricks99 tries to force an ie update..	[10:59]
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RobertP	jonnyb, is there yet a movement in 5.x to bring the new jQuery.s5 plugin to users? or is it still in trunk?	[11:06]
jonnyb	no, not in 5 that'll be for 6 (unless you want to add it later for 5.2)	[11:06]
RobertP	Are there plans to make it external?	[11:07]
jonnyb	but please don't do it now we need to release 5.1	[11:07]
RobertP	:) I won't, I was away last week, and am getting ready for a new week just trying to catchup	[11:07]
rotterdam	how do I add links on the top menu?	[11:10]
RobertP	How do you like what I did with s5 jonnyb? Anything you see needs to change right off?	[11:11]
ricks99	@rotterdam: add a link to the specific menuID. see docs for details: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Menu_Customizing_Menus	[11:12]
jonnyb	RobertP: i looked at the example you sent while in barcelona - not had time to look again now in trunk, sorry	[11:12]
RobertP	np	[11:13]
rotterdam	ricks99, thanks ricks99, Page not found	[11:13]
chibaguy	Is luciash around? He was asking about the release time for 5.1 because he wants to commit czech lang changes and I think some bug fix(es).	[11:13]
ricks99	d'oh. ... /Menu#Customizing_Menus	[11:14]
jonnyb	ok chibaguy - i'm suggesting that we do it in 4(ish) hours time, should be enough (hopefully) it'll be late for you though ;)	[11:14]
rotterdam	ricks99, :)	[11:16]
chibaguy	ok. yeah, a little late for me. btw, I'm not getting any js errors in ie8 at info.tw.o. although i do get them in ie fairly often.	[11:16]
jonnyb	might the info.tw.o thing be related to anonymous vs logged in?	[11:18]
chibaguy	maybe so.	[11:19]
ricks99	i was viweing as anonymous in ie8 - no errors	[11:21]
RobertP	Hey jonnyb, I don't have sufficient priviledges to setup feeds for jQuery.s5, can you create the feed for http://code.google.com/p/jquerys5/feeds?	[11:21]
chibaguy	ricks99, I just tried both ways, and no error.	[11:21]
RobertP	when you have time, I know you are busy	[11:21]
ricks99	@chibaguy: i confirm too. i saw no errors in ie 7 or 8	[11:22]
jonnyb	RobertP: how come i'd have more privies than you there? you started that one didn't you?	[11:22]
chibaguy	I have seen errors fairly recently but of course now I don't and am not sure what site or what was activated, etc.	[11:22]
RobertP	I went to go add it here:http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-editpage.php?page=JQS5 I wanted to have an rss like jquery.sheet I did not create that page	[11:26]
jonnyb	sorry - not seen that - ricks99 can you help?	[11:27]
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RobertP	hey marc marclaport marclaporte Just fyi, I was out of town last week, and am working on the cell id reference issue. or feature rather I will have it uploaded shortly.	[11:55]
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marclaporte1	:-)	[12:00]
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CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28250 10/branches/5.x/installer/tiki-installer.php: [FIX] Installer: Check if database really exists before using it (thanks marclaporte)	[12:03]
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Kimberlee	hello all.	[12:13]
jonnyb	hi Kimberlee	[12:15]
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RobertP	marclaporte, problems? jonnyb, do you see any feezable way to save column width with spreadsheets? marc has it on my list to do next.	[12:24]
luciash	polom jonnyb may i still commit ?	[12:25]
jonnyb	haven't investigated	[12:25]
RobertP	ok	[12:26]
jonnyb	polom luciash please do - fixes only though, right? ;)	[12:26]
luciash	yea	[12:26]
marclaporte	polom	[12:26]
jonnyb	i'm still trying to track down an installer bug	[12:26]
RobertP	yea, I was thinking, it is more or less a style attribute.	[12:26]
luciash	hi marc	[12:27]
RobertP	If we were to use style, we would then also support colors, etc.	[12:27]
marclaporte	hi luciash	[12:27]
jonnyb	seems my shared host's mqsql user hasn't got the perms to find out about the charset stuff sorry RobertP - not doing spreadsheets today	[12:27]
RobertP	I understand	[12:27]
jonnyb	sorry, hope to soon! :)	[12:28]
RobertP	You are a viable master of the tiki, in and out of code all day long :)	[12:28]
jonnyb	aw shucks :P	[12:29]
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RavenC	polom	[12:33]
Bernard-	polom too	[12:36]
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marclaporte	chealer: WebPI code is in branches/5.x for 5.1 release?	[12:46]
ricks99	doesn't tiki5 have an rss feed for wiki page comments? i cant find it on admin_rss?	[12:47]
marclaporte	ricks99: I have never seen that	[12:47]
ricks99	hm... must be dreaming	[12:48]
jonnyb	jonnyb worries that ricks99 dreams of rss feeds	[12:48]
ricks99	lol we have a comment admin page that lists all comments.	[12:49]
chibaguy	be happy that your dreams don't have rss feeds ;-)	[12:49]
RavenC	lol	[12:49]
ricks99	ricks99 wonders how hard it would b for jonnyb to turn it into an rss feed ricks99 for 5.1 :-)	[12:49]
jonnyb	tee hee!	[12:49]
ricks99	ricks99 goes to add RSS for COmments as a new feature in the rel notes. now jonnyb has* to add it :-)*	[12:50]
jonnyb	jonnyb doesn't subscribe to this feed	[12:50]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r28251 10/branches/5.x/tiki-imexport_languages.php: tikiwiki: [FIX] import/export lang: fix PHP error and allow to re-import if the lang was tikiwiki: already imported before, changed string Included to Imported and made it tikiwiki: translantable; TODO: handle delete and currently used lang cannot be imported	[12:55]
luciash	sorry s/translantable/translatable/	[12:57]
jonnyb	got a nasty 5.x installer bug on my shared hosting. it's a 4.1 tiki but the line in local.php said $dbversion_tiki='3.0' and so it's trying to use adobe but failing (for some reason)	[13:06]
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luciash	jonnyb: replace that dbversion ?	[13:11]
jonnyb	i think adding the api_tiki=pdo to local would fix it, but it would be better if it just worked... and now i'm trying it again the version has been already updated to 5.0 (in local.php) ik	[13:12]
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Bernard-	to use the plugin SPLIT into the "Custom End of <body> Code" is a bad idea. :)	[13:18]
luciash	Bernard-: one must just close the code carefully	[13:18]
Bernard-	... what do you mean ? {SPLIT(joincols="n",colsize="5%\|20%\|5%\|20%)} ---col1--- ---col2{SPLIT} look ok to me	[13:20]
jonnyb	aha - seems my server has php with '-disable-pdo' set :(	[13:22]
luciash	aye Bernard-: colsize has unclosed quote	[13:22]
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Bernard-	...i'm getting really old... :(	[13:23]
luciash	:)	[13:23]
Bernard-	yes tks :) But anyway... it broke the end code. ... time to bring back old table ? <table>	[13:23]
luciash	Bernard-: probably must be enclosed inside {wiki}...{/wiki} too as it is wiki plugin	[13:25]
Bernard-	nope tried it too: {wiki}{SPLIT(joincols="n",colsize="5%\|20%\|5%\|20%")} ---col1--- ---col2{SPLIT}{/wiki}	[13:26]
luciash	well yes, you can achieve the same with HTML table tag can i see how it breaks ?	[13:27]
chibaguy	I wonder what would be special about SPLIT that would cause it to not work in the custom code. Any properly formed syntax should work.	[13:27]
Bernard-	sure here : http://shocksite.com/5x.html/	[13:28]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28252 10/branches/5.x/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [FIX] Installer: Only offer to fix encoding if the database exists.	[13:29]
Bernard-	this is with the tag split	[13:29]
luciash	alternative in Smarty block is {wikiplugin _name="split" joincols="n" colsize="5%\|20%\|5%\|20%")} ---col1--- ---col2{/wikiplugin}	[13:29]
Bernard-	ah ok this is interesting, i test	[13:29]
luciash	i don't see it there	[13:30]
Bernard-	better ! yes the "wikiplugin" is working tks	[13:30]
luciash	Bernard-: yo yoni ! ;)	[13:31]
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rodrigo_sampaio	hi jonnyb, I saw your e-mail in the devel list about the 5.1 release. Let me know if I can help you.	[13:38]
jonnyb	hi rodrigo_sampaio - yes please, the more people we have to test the better should be stuff to play with in a couple of hours	[13:38]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r28253 10/branches/5.x/tiki-edit_languages.php: [FIX] edit languages: double entities in translations problem - it is not wanted to put htmlentities and strip tags - edit languages is alowed by trusted users anyway... caused just trouble	[13:39]
rodrigo_sampaio	jonnyb: ok, I will be online for the next two hours and after I will be offline for six hours or so jonnyb: but after that I will be back online	[13:39]
jonnyb	ok, no worries, if we're still doing it in 8 hours we will need help! :D	[13:40]
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chibaguy	Bernard- : literal tags are also needed for SPLIT in the custom code text area, like {wiki}{literal}{SPLIT(joincols="n",colsize="5%\|20%\|5%\|20%")} ---col1--- ---col2{SPLIT}{/literal}{/wiki}	[13:43]
Bernard-	Hi Chibaguy.... tks right now wikiplugin seams ok	[13:44]
rodrigo_sampaio	jonnyb: ok :D	[13:45]
chibaguy	ok, just for future reference. should be true for all wikiplugins.	[13:45]
luciash	jonnyb: can i commit just lang/cs/language.php still ?	[13:45]
Bernard-	i'll try to keep that in mind... but lately i have quit some troubles there... ;)	[13:46]
luciash	jonnyb: or too late ?	[13:46]
jonnyb	luciash: sure	[13:46]
luciash	k	[13:46]
jonnyb	i'm still trying to work out this horrid installer thing does someone need to do the get_strings() thing? (i've never done that, but don't you need to do that in order to have all the strings there?)	[13:46]
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luciash	jonnyb: i guess someone enhanced the release script to handle the get_strings jonnyb: hopefully	[13:48]
jonnyb	we shall see :)	[13:48]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r28254 10/branches/5.x/lang/cs/language.php: [ENH] Czech language: some more translated	[13:50]
chealer	marclaporte: the web pi code is not, but it will not be in the main tree neither	[13:51]
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jonnyb	hmm, i'm now getting: A new version of Tikiwiki, 4.3, is available. You are currently running 5.0. Please visit http://tikiwiki.org/Download	[13:52]
chealer	bbl	[13:54]
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luciash	translation using the DB and interactive mode is now breeze :)	[13:54]
marclaporte	luciash: yay! luciash: I think we'll get Dogfooders! http://inuktitut.ourwiki.net/	[13:55]
luciash	we need article encouraging translators to help update the translations	[13:56]
RobertP	marclaporte, I'm having some trouble installing tiki on yahoo host, could I talk to you a couple minutes about it?	[14:03]
ricks99	@luciash: a call for translations? good idea	[14:04]
luciash	ricks99: yes, something like "We call all the translators" :) ricks99: a pity we can't make it for 5.1 but for 5.2 we could have whole lot new translations because 5.x strings are pretty stabilized now	[14:05]
rodrigo_sampaio	anyone with permission can add the user lucasemanoel to the tikiwiki project on sourceforge? he is a brazilian who is willing to help with translation	[14:06]
ricks99	ricks99 still thinks many/some of the "English" strings are poor ricks99 wishes we could externalize all strings	[14:06]
rodrigo_sampaio	luciash: talking about translation, you know if there is any how to on how to translate tiki and contribute the translation back to the repository?	[14:07]
luciash	easiest would be a short video how-to but basically you just need to enable "Use db for translations", import your lang and start translating directly via Tiki	[14:07]
ricks99	http://dev.tikiwiki.org/i18n and http://doc.tikiwiki.org/i18n are good starts	[14:09]
luciash	then when done use export language, change the encoding to utf-8, save the file and send it as patch or copy/paste and commit directly	[14:10]
rodrigo_sampaio	luciash: huh... this export language is new to me. sounds good thanks for the links ricks99	[14:10]
ricks99	dont we have a tiki team for translation?	[14:11]
rodrigo_sampaio	luciash, ricks99: any of you has permission to add developers to tiki on sourceforge?	[14:11]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r28255 10/branches/5.x/styles/layout/design.css: [FIX] interactive translation should be on top above all when displayed	[14:12]
ricks99	y (think so)	[14:12]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28256 10/branches/5.x/lib/core/lib/TikiDb.php: tikiwiki: [FIX] TikiDb: Add test for valid results to fetchAll(). tikiwiki: Reveals errors in installer (e.g. 'Your MySQL version is too old to perform this operation') on some operations and should also help expose other mystery WSoD errors.	[14:13]
rodrigo_sampaio	ricks99: can you try adding please the user lucasemanoel? ricks99: he is a brazilian willing to help with translation	[14:14]
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ricks99	ricks99 looks for the ceremony hat... it is the first time he's had to wear it... has 01lucasemanoel read/understand the 3 rules for tiki development?	[14:15]
luciash	luciash thinks interactive translation form would look better inside the jQuery UI	[14:19]
rodrigo_sampaio	ricks99: yes	[14:19]
ricks99	sf name is: 01lucasemanoel right? ricks99 waves the magic wand... ricks99 ... and adds lucasemanoel	[14:20]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r28257 10/branches/5.x/tiki-imexport_languages.php: [FIX] import/export lang: add the UTF-8 encoding to the header for the exported language	[14:22]
ricks99	all set rodrigo_sampaio. may take a bit of time for perms to propogate through all sf servers ricks99 removes the ceremony hat	[14:23]
rodrigo_sampaio	ricks99: thanks	[14:23]
luciash	a pity there's nobody to welcome and cheer ;) rodrigo_sampaio: greetings to him	[14:23]
ricks99	my first cerementy... i'm just hoping i didnt' break anything :)	[14:24]
luciash	ricks99: congrats	[14:24]
rodrigo_sampaio	luciash: he is on #tikiwiki-br, I will ask him to join us here ;)	[14:24]
luciash	ricks99: who knows with your magic wand ...	[14:24]
ricks99	little do you know... :)	[14:25]
rotterdam	Good morning!	[14:25]
rodrigo_sampaio	luciash, ricks99: he is here rotterdam = luscasemanoel :)	[14:25]
luciash	ah :)	[14:26]
ricks99	Olá rotterdam. welcome to tiki	[14:26]
luciash	luciash welcomes rotterdam to the Tiki i18n community !	[14:27]
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luciash	rodrigo_sampaio: btw, is it true YouTube is banned in Brazil ?	[14:27]
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xavi	bbl	[14:29]
rodrigo_sampaio	luciash: where did you heard that? I don't think so, but I can't be sure since I'm not in Brasil (I'm in Montreal)	[14:30]
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rodrigo_sampaio	luciash: a few years ago Youtube was forced to remove a video and I think this was it	[14:30]
luciash	i have read that on Mashable.com that now Russia banned it and joined other countries and Brasil was listed there too	[14:31]
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rodrigo_sampaio	luciash: no, probably they list brazil because the site was down for a few hours or days (I don't remember), but when they removed the video they were back	[14:32]
RobertP	Anyone, I'm installing tikiwiki on a yahoo hosting environment, and they don't let you see logs. I've manually installed the database, and yet I get nothing when I try to navigate to tiki. Anyone have any ideas? http://division7inc.com/new	[14:32]
jonnyb	RobertP: when you say nothing you mean "white page of doom"?	[14:33]
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RobertP	I get a blank page, even after configuring db/local.php yup white indeed	[14:33]
jonnyb	what version?	[14:33]
RobertP	5.0	[14:33]
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jonnyb	odd - it redirects to tiki-install.php but then dies :( can you update to svn 5.x? that last fix i did will hopefully make any db error show up	[14:33]
chibaguy	rotterdam: welcome to the project!	[14:34]
ricks99	@RobertP: how much php memory?	[14:34]
RobertP	How should I quickly upgrade? Yahoo is lower	[14:34]
chibaguy	chibaguy just back from bath	[14:34]
RobertP	lower memory, like 8 meg	[14:34]
ricks99	that's not enough. See requirements docs 32M is needed	[14:35]
jonnyb	at least 16M, even just to show a clean install	[14:36]
ricks99	pls see http://doc.tikiwiki.org/requirements	[14:36]
RobertP	from: http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Tiki+Friendly+Hosts ; SBC Hosting(external link) memory_limit set at 8M with a 12M max — presumably if you ask nicely as it is not possible to access php.ini ranebo Jun 14, 2005 Should I ask them, pretty pretty please upgrade my memory?	[14:36]
ricks99	try adding ur own php.ini set memory for 32M	[14:37]
rotterdam	chibaguy, thanks	[14:37]
jonnyb	sometimes you can do it in the .htaccess (but i imaging yahoo don't allow that)	[14:37]
RobertP	i don't think either ini or .htaccess are allowed,	[14:38]
rotterdam	chibaguy, you are who received more thanks to the channel here:)	[14:38]
RobertP	Now that I know the issue I will try to get it resolved with support, THANKS!	[14:38]
chibaguy	:-)	[14:39]
jonnyb	chibaguy: what's going on with templates/styles/fivealive/tiki-searchindex.tpl? i have a conflict in trunk has it been deleted in trunk and not in 5.x?	[14:43]
chibaguy	jonnyb: I don't recall any difference in the two; they should be the same.	[14:45]
jonnyb	it seems to have gone from trunk and sf.net seems to not have a "show deleted files" button any more ;(	[14:45]
ricks99	isnt searchindex for the old/tiki search? searchresults is for the mysql full-text search?	[14:47]
jonnyb	i think so, yes but i can't see why it's in 5.x now looks like marclaporte edited it in 5.x a couple of days ago, hence the merge conflict... :D i'm going to say it's not a conflict - ok to not be in trunk but still in 5.x (need to get on!)	[14:48]
chibaguy	fivealive/tiki-searchindex.tpl differs from the default in that it has the css dropdown. that's not to say the file is being used, of course.	[14:51]
jonnyb	well it seems to have been deleted from trunk someone just tidying up, i guess	[14:52]
chibaguy	the search works ok in trunk?	[14:52]
chealer	polom	[14:52]
chibaguy	I mean display-wise?	[14:52]
jonnyb	sorry, focussing on 5.1 polom chealer	[14:52]
chibaguy	anyway, fivealive/tiki-searchresults.tpl also has the cssmenu dropdown, so apparently that's the one being used. (maybe I modified them both originally)	[14:53]
chealer	indexed search was deleted from trunk in January, but I believe it was restored soon after hi jonnyb, chibaguy and all	[14:53]
chibaguy	hi chealer	[14:54]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28258 10/trunk/ (20 files in 10 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/5.x 28187 to 28257	[14:55]
jonnyb	ok, i'm going for some "lunch" - back in 20 for release fun! :)	[14:55]
chealer	yeah, indexed search was restored on January 21 ricks99: searchresults is actually the oldest search, although in one way you could say indexed search is obsolete since non-MySQL DBs support was dropped.	[15:03]
chibaguy	time to sleep here. bbl.	[15:06]
chealer	good night chibaguy	[15:06]
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chealer	jonnyb: I don't recall sf.net having a "show deleted files" button, unless you mean the CVS Attic. or unless you're talking about something really old. ricks99: searchresults is indeed for the mysql full-text search	[15:07]
jonnyb	chealer: really? i thought there used to be one on browse svn...	[15:10]
ricks99	is there a way to determine number of commits for 5.1 and number of commiters?	[15:10]
jonnyb	i think the release script does that, or some of it getting towards that :)	[15:10]
xavi	back reading the back log polom all, btw :-)	[15:12]
jonnyb	hi xavi	[15:12]
chealer	jonnyb: if it has been there in the past year, I failed to notice something I really missed. even on the command line there's no easy way to see deleted files. I always consider this a big regression from CVS. hi xavi	[15:13]
ricks99	need those basic stats for the news release	[15:13]
xavi	hi jonnyb and chealer	[15:13]
Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Send email to a group when updated - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=37936	[15:13]
xavi	are we in release mode already?	[15:13]
ricks99	alwasy impressive to shown high number of commits and contributors	[15:13]
jonnyb	sort of, xavi	[15:13]
xavi	ok	[15:14]
jonnyb	Question: Is this going to be 5.1 RC1?	[15:14]
xavi	afair, that was the proposal in bcn	[15:14]
jonnyb	i think it's probably safest, we dont want all that encoding stuff again	[15:14]
xavi	or "RC" since we don't expect RC2	[15:15]
jonnyb	5.1 RC it is then	[15:15]
marclaporte	luciash: tks for work on import/export of language. How close/far are we for people to use Interactive translation and share back their enhancements with the community?	[15:19]
jonnyb	actually, i've changed my mind - let's do 5.1 RC 1 (otherwise i'm sure we would have to do 5.1 RC 2 :) )	[15:20]
xavi	ok, well thought :-)	[15:20]
jonnyb	ok, i now declare branches/5.x "officially" closed (if that's ok with everyone?)	[15:21]
xavi	ok anyway, "muphy" will commit something, you know...	[15:21]
jonnyb	indeed	[15:22]
xavi	xavi playing with the new TikiLiveCD including Tiki6svn ;-)	[15:22]
jonnyb	i've done a mail to devels about no more commits in 5.x - could someone update http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Where+to+commit please? so - here goes! :)	[15:23]
xavi	xavi updates	[15:24]
	page upated	[15:29]
jonnyb	thanks	[15:30]
xavi	4.x left out of the page (we encourage 3.x lts or latest stable branch, which is 5.x...)	[15:30]
jonnyb	good good - yes, 4.x is closed ok, here we go...	[15:30]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28259 10/branches/5.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php: [REL] Version to 5.1	[15:32]
chealer	jonnyb: I would have no problem with a final 5.1 i.e. I'm not too worried	[15:33]
jonnyb	5.0 wasn't good enough - we should make sure this time (also it was generally agreed to do that in barcelona)	[15:33]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28260 10/branches/5.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php: [REL] Version to 5.1RC1	[15:35]
jonnyb	also, this is my first release - already messed the version up! :)	[15:35]
chealer	jonnyb: I agree, but I think that's a lesson for Tiki 6. I want 5.0 to be replaced ASAP. jonnyb: so you haven't figured out 5.0 telling you to upgrade 4.3? jonnyb: so you haven't figured out 5.0 telling you to upgrade to 4.3?	[15:35]
jonnyb	yes, i needed to do ?forcecheck=y (or something)	[15:36]
marclaporte	so tiki-install.php should do forcecheck?	[15:37]
chealer	jonnyb: hum... that 5.0 site was upgraded from a pre-4.3 install?	[15:37]
jonnyb	was going to document it - or see why the installer doesn't make it happen but agree that 5.1 needs to get out	[15:37]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28261 10/branches/5.x/README: [REL] Update README file for 5.1RC1	[15:38]
marclaporte	marclaporte cheers for 5.1	[15:38]
jonnyb	got an error in release.php while doing the lang files	[15:39]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28262 10/branches/5.x/changelog.txt: [REL] Update changelog.txt for 5.1RC1	[15:39]
jonnyb	ignoring it for now (but have made a note)	[15:39]
sylvieg	jonnyb: did you change the release number because the script ask you ? or because you know?	[15:40]
jonnyb	it told me to	[15:40]
sylvieg	sylvieg trying to fix the question in http://dev.tikiwiki.org/How+to+release ok thx	[15:40]
jonnyb	yes, it seems the $this->version needs to be the actual full version dusting (this time 5.1RC1 - no spaces)	[15:41]
sylvieg	and did it ask to change in _htaccess too?	[15:41]
jonnyb	and the same string needs to be in the tikiVersions() array no, at least not yet doing the stupid copyright file at the moment... by the way, ricks99 - it looks like the revision range is 18261 to 23261 (according to this script)	[15:41]
chealer	yay, installer working on PHP 5.3.3	[15:43]
jonnyb	handy! ricks99: hmm, maybe not - now it's looking at 13260 to 18260	[15:44]
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jonnyb	yes, it seems to be going back to the dawn of time...	[15:46]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03cdrwhite * r28263 10/trunk/ (31 files in 12 dirs): [ENH] Adding URL-Shortener functionality to socialnetworks and rename promote to share	[15:46]
ricks99	ricks99 is sure that jonnyb will figure it all out :-) even just a guestimate is fine.500+ commits, 40+ contributors, etc	[15:47]
jonnyb	ricks99: have a look at r 28262 (the changes in changelog.txt)	[15:49]
sylvieg	do we still need to update http://tikiwiki.org/stable.version or is doen automatically now?	[15:51]
jonnyb	i'd guess it's a manual ftp thing (but don't know really) 5 new committers apparently	[15:51]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28264 10/branches/5.x/copyright.txt: [REL] Update copyright.txt for 5.1RC1	[15:52]
chealer	sylvieg: it's manual AFAIK jonnyb: anyway, I don't get the 4.3 upgrade notice in my 5.0 test site. let me know if you have more info on the problem.	[15:52]
jonnyb	jolly good - think it was just some legacy stuff on my old tiki	[15:54]
ricks99	changelog doesnt help me much :-(	[15:54]
jonnyb	we could/should add a "double check this" link to that message	[15:54]
ricks99	surely cant be too hard to find : 1. number of commits since last branch 2. number of unique usernames?	[15:54]
jonnyb	indeed - it should be added to release.php i think	[15:55]
ricks99	+1	[15:55]
sylvieg	142 commits	[15:57]
jonnyb	i made it 141 ;)	[15:58]
ricks99	tx. how many contributors?	[15:58]
marclaporte	add ideas here: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/How+to+release#Improve_the_release_process	[15:58]
jonnyb	there are still some php errors reported here - only STRICT and DEPRECATED ones though, ok? (i'm ignoring them)	[15:59]
chealer	jonnyb: in the release scripts?	[16:00]
jonnyb	ik, check smarty templates has blown up (on tiki-mods.tpl)	[16:00]
sylvieg	15 contributors	[16:00]
jonnyb	sorry chealer?	[16:00]
chealer	jonnyb: the PHP errors come from the release scripts or what?	[16:01]
jonnyb	oh sorry - yes	[16:01]
chealer	it beats my expectations if there's nothing more than STRICT and DEPRECATED	[16:04]
jonnyb	me too :D	[16:04]
chealer	never ran them but I fugre it's OK figure	[16:04]
jonnyb	yes, the smarty check i think is more of a problem i seem to remember for 4.0 we just skipped that bit so skipping...	[16:04]
rotterdam	I'm trying to download the trunk by a graphic account of svn and it is asking username and password	[16:05]
sylvieg	rotterdam: are you a s tiki developper?	[16:07]
luciash	re	[16:08]
sylvieg	if yes checkout with your sf name - if no you can only do an export	[16:08]
luciash	yay, that's some activity here now, go jonny go :)	[16:08]
jonnyb	on to the secede thing now... secede i mean	[16:09]
marclaporte	ggeller lost some commits between 5.0 and 5.1! Name: George Geller First Commit: 2003-12-07 Last Commit: 2005-11-30 -Number of Commits: 161 +Number of Commits: 159	[16:09]
luciash	marclaporte: well, i would say the translations can start right away now with latest 5.x branch	[16:09]
rotterdam	sylvieg, I will help translate into Portuguese	[16:09]
jonnyb	ach - auto spell check!!	[16:10]
luciash	:)	[16:10]
jonnyb	hmm, supposedly building packages now (think it broke)	[16:10]
sylvieg	rotterdam: are you lucasemanoel?	[16:10]
luciash	marclaporte: at least it seems to work flawlessly now with Chrome	[16:11]
rotterdam	sylvieg, yes	[16:11]
sylvieg	ah welcome = so use your sourceforge username	[16:11]
marclaporte	lucasemanoelrotterdam.... :-)	[16:11]
rotterdam	sylvieg, unfortunately sourceforge refused my nickname	[16:12]
luciash	rotterdam: brazil likez netherlands	[16:12]
rotterdam	hehehe	[16:12]
luciash	:)	[16:12]
rotterdam	luciash, rotterdam is my nickname because of the writer Erasmo marclaporte, 2010-06 Marc Laporte Interview Espirito Livre Magazine translate to Portuguese?	[16:13]
marclaporte	yes	[16:15]
rotterdam	on some page or on my computer?	[16:16]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28265 10/branches/5.x/db/tiki-secdb_5.1_mysql.sql: [REL] SecDB for 5.1RC1	[16:17]
eromneg	jonny: been trying to follow the irc trail - but should the "check for updates" button be reporting 5.1 now?	[16:20]
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sylvieg	eromneg: no I think utnitl tikiwiki.org/version is updated	[16:20]
jonnyb	also this is a "pre" release so far	[16:21]
sylvieg	and I did not have anymore access to this server - need Oliver	[16:21]
jonnyb	apparently it's building the packages here now!	[16:21]
sylvieg	I like the apparently ;-) no jonnyb your computer is stuck ;-)	[16:22]
rotterdam	marclaporte, on some page or on my computer?	[16:22]
eromneg	sylvie: thanks - but I've got a 4.0 site that is still just telling me to upgrade to 4.3 - should this at least report 5.0?	[16:22]
jonnyb	looks like it sylvieg	[16:23]
sylvieg	eromneg: not sure about the logic there ... need to check the code	[16:23]
jonnyb	eromneg: i had one this morning saying it was 5.0 but i should upgrade to 4.3! so something's wrong in there yay! my shell returned...	[16:23]
ricks99	it should report both - a major and minor update	[16:24]
jonnyb	and it's laid three lovely little tarballs!	[16:24]
ricks99	but a 3.x site should report only 3.x (minor) and 5.x (major) since 4.x is deprecated	[16:25]
eromneg	one of my 3.5 sites just says "A new stable major release branch is available." does give a number does not give a number	[16:26]
ricks99	imho, tiki should recommend 3.x -> 5.x -- NOT 3.x -> 4.x something to look at for tiki6	[16:27]
chealer	jonnyb: should the 5.0 file not be removed at the same time as the 5.1 secdb is added :-?	[16:27]
jonnyb	you'd think so maybe not with a minor release	[16:28]
chealer	bbl	[16:28]
jonnyb	jonnyb admits he's never really understood the secdb thing tarballs are gradually uploading - brb	[16:29]
luciash	the secdb thing should help compare if files were not modified since installation time (by some cracker's scripts, etc.) iirc	[16:33]
jonnyb	indeed, i've just never got past that bit :)	[16:33]
luciash	so it is only useful for end users, right ?	[16:33]
jonnyb	ok, first one's there: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1927369/5.1.preRC1/tiki-5.1.preRC1.tar.bz2	[16:34]
luciash	luciash grabbing that one	[16:34]
jonnyb	i'll do the zip one locally, even though that seems like cheating!	[16:34]
luciash	haha	[16:35]
RobertP	jonnyb, what is the procedure for a small fix after a release has been locked? :)	[16:37]
jonnyb	like what?	[16:38]
RobertP	s5, I need to update a small line of js. for it to work correctly. Where it is linked	[16:38]
jonnyb	i thought you were working in trunk, no?	[16:38]
RobertP	ah yes ok nevermind :)	[16:38]
jonnyb	phew! :)	[16:39]
xavi	xavi saw murphy comming, but luckily murphy went away	[16:39]
jonnyb	ok, here's the gzip: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1927369/5.1.preRC1/tiki-5.1.preRC1.tar.gz	[16:39]
xavi	I get it	[16:39]
jonnyb	zip seems fine here but should be independently checked i guess - should be up soon	[16:40]
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jonnyb	ok (finally) here is the zip: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1927369/5.1.preRC1/tiki-5.1.preRC1.zip i'm going to proceed with the proper release now (i.e. without the 'pre' bit) - i'm assuming (warning!) that the tarballs all have tiki 5.1 inside them? yell quick if you find otherwise please!	[16:49]
ricks99	ricks99 downloading the zip right now...	[16:51]
xavi	jonyb, the tar.gz has many more dirs inside I wonder if this is intentionakl... jonnyb ^	[16:53]
jonnyb	oh? ah, stinky - it's done them in mac compatibility "mode" how dull... i'll fix	[16:53]
xavi	ok, good, this gives me some more time to install a full lampp stack on ,y computer (reinstalled the 64 bit version of linux a few days ago, and forgot to install lampp)	[16:57]
luciash	luciash extracting the bz2	[16:58]
jonnyb	ok, re-uploading "cleaned" tarballs luciash: you'll get a load of extra mac files in there, sorry - new ones on their way	[16:58]
luciash	oh, in the bz2 as well ? didn't spotted	[17:00]
jonnyb	they all start with a . so might not show up	[17:00]
luciash	bz2 doesn't sem to have them i see .htaccess but no mac files or folders there	[17:01]
ricks99	my brand new 5.1rc1 install seems to b very smooth	[17:02]
xavi	jonnyb, the extra folders I see are not hidden, but full folders i.e.: Zend, Service, lib, core	[17:02]
jonnyb	like what xavi?	[17:02]
xavi	like this file: UpdateConferenceTemplateParticipantResponse.php from this directori:	[17:02]
jonnyb	they should be in /lib	[17:02]
xavi	Zend/Service/DeveloperGarden/Response/ConferenceCall	[17:03]
ricks99	ricks99 wonders why he sees" Upgrading and running into encoding issues?" warning on a brand new install ??	[17:03]
luciash	heheh	[17:03]
jonnyb	xavi: i don't understand	[17:04]
xavi	ricks99: I presume because there more cases when the user is upgrading instead of just installing, and lph fed up ll possible cases possibly s/II/with	[17:04]
ricks99	i understand, but for a new install, there should not b the warning, no?	[17:04]
luciash	luciash installing	[17:05]
xavi	yes. however, how do you know at the end if you run into a clean install or upgrade? jonnyb: try uncompressing the tar.gz file	[17:05]
jonnyb	ok	[17:06]
ricks99	if u click INSTALL = clean install, right?	[17:06]
xavi	ricks99: yes	[17:07]
jonnyb	xavi - so files with long filenames seem to be missing for you, yes?	[17:08]
luciash	luciash forgot to translate the utf-8 installer step :-p luciash notes	[17:08]
ricks99	which UTF should my db be? utf_8_general_ci?	[17:09]
xavi	jonnyb: nope. there are extra folders and files for me	[17:09]
jonnyb	hmmm, this doesn't seem good	[17:09]
xavi	at the same level as the tikipre folder	[17:09]
luciash	"Úspěšně provedené operace instalace: 6432 SQL dotazů." :)	[17:10]
jonnyb	maybe the mac zipping until is weird	[17:10]
sylvieg	I was 4.1 it told me 4.3 and major exists - I upgraded to 4.3 ... no more message :-( (missing the major)	[17:10]
luciash	ricks99: i think you shouldn't care about that, the installer does that ;)	[17:11]
jonnyb	until/util	[17:11]
ricks99	ricks99 wonders if his phpadmin is messed up. by default, any new db i create is latin1-sweedish? wtf?	[17:11]
jonnyb	jonnyb switches off auto-correct no ricks99 - that' the mysql default	[17:11]
ricks99	@luchiash: the installer doesn't create the db? i though i had to do it first?	[17:12]
luciash	jonnyb: installation in czech was succesfully completed	[17:12]
jonnyb	can someone else have a look at the gzip one, seems ok to me thx luciash	[17:13]
luciash	ricks99: ah, ok, then i didn't care any my mysql create database tiki51; did it ;)	[17:13]
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luciash	i have utf-8 default i think, genereal_ci seems the best choice	[17:14]
ricks99	im confused. are we saying that tiki5.1 will create the db for you as part of the installer?	[17:14]
luciash	ricks99: nope, sorry, i misunderstood	[17:14]
jonnyb	yes, utf8_bin is a bit weird, i'd avoid that one (everything seems to come out of the db as encoded binary)	[17:15]
ricks99	ricks99 wonders if he is the only one who will be overly confused by the warnings?	[17:15]
jonnyb	has anyone else found the gz to be bad?	[17:16]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28266 10/branches/5.x/copyright.txt: [REL] Update copyright.txt for 5.1RC1	[17:16]
jonnyb	http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1927369/5.1.preRC1/tiki-5.1.preRC1.tar.gz	[17:16]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03cdrwhite * r28267 10/trunk/ (7 files in 5 dirs): tikiwiki: [ENH] User account settings for URL shortener tikiwiki: [FIX] Typo in tiki-bot_bar.tpl when renaming promote to share	[17:17]
sylvieg	sylvieg found out my no more complain about 5 - check frequency is a week - need only to forcecheck	[17:17]
xavi	jonnyb: no problem. using comand line, I saw the tar.gz fine, with no extra files	[17:18]
luciash	bbl	[17:18]
xavi	krusader or ark in 64bits might be buggy going to test the install right now (got lampp installted)	[17:18]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r28268 10/trunk/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: [FIX] A few fixes for the menu used at the bottom of s5 presentations.	[17:19]
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jonnyb	ok, let's hope so	[17:19]
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xavi	yes, I agree with ricks99: step 8 in installer with a clean install would be nicer if it didn't show the "upgrading and running into encoding issues? ... "Dangerous: Fix double encoding" anyway, installer went fine for me	[17:25]
jonnyb	ok, i'm at the "tag release" stage here shall i go for it?	[17:26]
ricks99	and I wonder about "01Dangerous: Fix double encoding" does that mean the fix is dangerous?	[17:26]
jonnyb	(suggest we fix the misplaced encoding message for 5.2)	[17:26]
xavi	minor issue: language.js seems not to work for me I did the install in catalan, and the javascript message of password strength is in english, even if I translated and commited	[17:26]
jonnyb	so should we postpone? i'm not sure when i'll be able to donate another day next	[17:27]
xavi	minor issue. so , +1 to release as is right now	[17:27]
jonnyb	(i.e. someone else will have to do it) so no blockers?	[17:27]
ricks99	how hard to fix? ricks99 off to add as a known issue in the rel notes, in that case	[17:28]
jonnyb	more the question is: who has 6 hours to start all this release process just for this?	[17:28]
xavi	+1 jonnyb thanks ricks99 for adding this tiny issue at the release notes	[17:28]
jonnyb	these issues have been in 5.x for a long time, they should wait for 5.2 i think remember, this is still only RC1 several hour left to go...	[17:29]
xavi	yes, jonnyb, you are right: go for rc1!	[17:29]
jonnyb	hours here goes	[17:29]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28269 10/tags/5.1RC1/: [REL] Tagging release	[17:30]
ricks99	see updated release noes: http://tikiwiki.org/ReleaseNotes5.1 no new featuers? only updates & fixes?	[17:37]
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ricks99	bbl	[17:39]
jonnyb	ok, new non-pre tarballs uploading for testing (of shall i just upload them to sf.net?) s/of/or	[17:40]
xavi	no idea. for minimum potential noise, I'll test again	[17:41]
jonnyb	thanks xavi	[17:41]
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jonnyb	ok - bz2 is cooked: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1927369/5.1RC1/tiki-5.1.RC1.tar.bz2	[17:46]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r28270 10/trunk/ (lib/setup/twversion.class.php tiki-admin.php): [MOD]version: add the number of the major new release	[17:47]
xavi	there I go for tar.bz2	[17:47]
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chealer	xavi: I think language.js is not used yet or it's very recent	[17:55]
jonnyb	yes, not really used yet (but i thought i worked on the password strength strings) in Spanish and Catalan at least	[17:56]
xavi	yes, it did work for me	[17:57]
jonnyb	gzip up: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1927369/5.1RC1/tiki-5.1.RC1.tar.gz	[17:57]
xavi	and very recently added by jonnyb	[17:57]
sylvieg	testing the gzip	[17:57]
jonnyb	i thought it was only in trunk... obviously not	[17:57]
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jonnyb	thx sylvieg	[17:57]
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xavi	fyi: utf-8 of the db not set properly, I'm afraid. My first install was a clean install on a new db... db created through phpmyadmin, and usually get latin1 I did run the installer with the forece utf-8 for new installations, the first time	[18:03]
jonnyb	really? you created it with latin1 i guess	[18:04]
xavi	everything when fine, parently	[18:04]
jonnyb	did you try the 'fix it' button (the first one)	[18:04]
xavi	and nowadays, I'm testing the 5RC1, over the same db	[18:04]
jonnyb	zip is here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1927369/5.1RC1/tiki-5.1.RC1.zip	[18:04]
xavi	and when installing it, I provide same db details: username, db, etc. and I see then the "convert db and tables to utf-8"	[18:04]
chealer	xavi: oh OK, I'll try checking	[18:05]
jonnyb	i also checked the new zip locally - no sign of any funny Mac files, so i'll start the upload to sf.net (can always remove them if anything really bad appears)	[18:05]
xavi	thus, I presume that previously was not set to utf-8 by the installed, even if the checkbox "utf-8" was selected at the installer	[18:05]
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sylvieg	sylvieg was also frighten with the encoding warning - but I went through with no problem	[18:06]
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sylvieg	sylvieg does not remember what happens the the translation of the first page / homepage I though some time ago it was translated...	[18:08]
jonnyb	i thought so too sylvieg i did get an error in the release script on the update lang files part though	[18:09]
sylvieg	the rest is correctly translated	[18:10]
jonnyb	Warning: unlink(temp/permstrings.tpl): No such file or directory in /Users/jonny/5.x_release/doc/devtools/release.php on line 118 but then it says: >> Language files updated and temporary files removed. so i guess it was really ok	[18:11]
sylvieg	there is not tranlstaion of the homepage in the language.php so probably somebody changed it .... I supopose we need a lag/fr/homeapge	[18:12]
jonnyb	or do it from a profile?	[18:13]
xavi	jonnyb, everything went fine here, beyond that minor wrong info about db encoding	[18:13]
jonnyb	good, thanks - the bz2 is on it's way to sf.net	[18:14]
sylvieg	xavi do you know something about the homepage translation ( I did not begin in install in fr - I did only after the switch)	[18:14]
xavi	"after the switch"?	[18:14]
sylvieg	mine is fine also teh tar.gz	[18:14]
xavi	if you do it in a local language, the homepage should be in that lang (provided it's translated in language.php, of course) testing right now with catalan again	[18:15]
sylvieg	I entered tiki - goto i18n change lang to fr but homepage did not changed	[18:15]
xavi	ah, no, then. it seems to be fetched at installation time from language.php, afaik	[18:15]
jonnyb	HomePage is set in the installer, i think	[18:15]
xavi	sylvieg, the behavior you explain would be even better , but minor issue, imho	[18:16]
sylvieg	so it is because I switch too late in the instal	[18:16]
jonnyb	i seem to remember if you remove the homepage it makes a new on (in the right lang, one would hope)	[18:16]
xavi	yes, I confirm it works if you do the whole installation in your language	[18:17]
sylvieg	+1 jony - it works	[18:17]
xavi	well, at some point, due to the utf-8 fix buttons, language is lost, afair ok, did run out of time here. congrats for the release, jonnyb-release-manager! :-)	[18:17]
jonnyb	:D (hopefully)	[18:18]
xavi	see you all	[18:18]
jonnyb	thanks for your help	[18:18]
xavi	a pleasure I could help a bit	[18:19]
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sylvieg	is there something else I can do for the release ?	[18:34]
luciash	re	[18:36]
jonnyb	just waiting for the files to upload	[18:36]
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jonnyb	i'm having to use the web interface as i didn't seem to have the right perms via sftp	[18:36]
luciash	oh, yes, now i noticed... my homepage is translated to czech after installation was done in czech. but there seems to be some problem with encoding on that page	[18:36]
jonnyb	it might have died...	[18:37]
luciash	i get ?? instead of correct utf-8 chars	[18:37]
chealer	luciash: on a fresh 5.1 RC1? :-/	[18:38]
luciash	yes	[18:38]
jonnyb	bleh	[18:38]
luciash	but not all accented chars, only some of them	[18:38]
jonnyb	in a utl-8 db? utf	[18:38]
luciash	surprysingl ž, š, and í are displayed correctly *surprisingly hmm, let me check i thought the language translation doesn't depend on db by default tho interface is correct, just the homapage content, so, hmm, maybe you're right, i didn't create the db properly maybe	[18:38]
jonnyb	check the encoding of the lang.php file?	[18:41]
luciash	what is the command to check encoding of the db in mysql console ?	[18:42]
jonnyb	you can see it on phpmyadmin on the "variables" page	[18:42]
luciash	no phpmyadmin here :-p, just console mysql	[18:43]
jonnyb	google "select like charset" - it's something involving that	[18:44]
luciash	ah, got it tried status; seems it is my fault, sorry, it is latin1 there i will try to re-run installer and update and fix to utf-8	[18:44]
jonnyb	jonnyb fears we haven't seen the last of the charset business	[18:46]
luciash	ricks99: you were doing much more clever job than me believing my db is utf-8 ready ;)	[18:46]
jonnyb	ok, got proper sftp to sf.net working (after re-reading the instructions)	[18:47]
luciash	jonnyb: hopefully the encoding issue gets fixed by the installer now	[18:47]
jonnyb	seems not though, for you?	[18:47]
chealer	luciash: the interface translation doesn't depend on the DB but the content translation (kind of the case here) does	[18:49]
luciash	hmm, got E_WARNING too after installation Missing argument 13 for sendWikiEmailNotification(), called in /home/luci/Development/tiki51/lib/tikilib.php on line 4587 and defined chealer: yeah, just realized that it occurs when i set no sender email in installer imho	[18:50]
chealer	luciash: sounds like a pre-existing issue	[18:54]
luciash	jonnyb: yeah, re-run the installer, fixed the encoding issue, switched to cz, reinstalled db and now the content is correctly in proper utf-8	[18:54]
jonnyb	nice can you add anything to the release notes on this?	[18:55]
luciash	for fresh installation it is pretty nice to be able to do that via installer yea	[18:55]
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jonnyb	ok, the files are on sf.net at last https://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki/files/	[19:11]
ricks99	@jonnyb: is 5.1 "done"?	[19:19]
jonnyb	hi ricks99 - 5.1 RC 1 is	[19:20]
ricks99	"RC"- K. how long do we plan until final?	[19:20]
jonnyb	can you sanity check one for me pls? https://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki/files/	[19:21]
ricks99	trying to decide if it is worth a news reelase	[19:21]
jonnyb	depends if everyone likes this one, i guess	[19:21]
ricks99	grabbing the zip....	[19:21]
jonnyb	no, let's test a bit more pls	[19:21]
ricks99	k but i want to do a mini annoucement for wider testing	[19:22]
jonnyb	sounds good	[19:23]
luciash	goddamnit ! :( wtf ? i edited the page like mad to add to the releae notes, want to add remarksbox so i click the (?) help icon to find that plugin and instead of the jQueryUI popup all my content is gone :( on tw.o :( it really sucks click for help does nothing but reload the edited page, grmbl >:(	[19:25]
jonnyb	yuk - sounds like a js error there (again)	[19:28]
luciash	jonnyb: sorry, i will not try to write it again to the releasenotes	[19:28]
jonnyb	check the js console	[19:28]
luciash	yeah, minified sucks	[19:29]
jonnyb	not minified - it's social networking again ('twitter_update_list')' [null] is not an object in blogger.js (again)	[19:31]
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luciash	Uncaught ReferenceError: openEditHelp is not defined tiki-editpage.php:219 then it reloads the page	[19:31]
jonnyb	yes, but first there is: TypeError: Result of expression 'document.getElementById('twitter_update_list')' [null] is not an object.	[19:32]
luciash	Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'tooltips' of undefined	[19:33]
jonnyb	which then causes the rest of the js in the php file to fail yes, all jquery is broken	[19:33]
luciash	ok :(	[19:33]
jonnyb	solution is to debug http://twitter.com/javascripts/blogger.js (someone please!) or remove the twitter module	[19:33]
luciash	oh yea, also the CSS menu seems to be bugged (closes right away i move mouse from parent) because of that unassigning tiki tweets to see if it helps c'mon	[19:35]
jonnyb	most of the tw.o sites have been broken like this in the past few weeks :( ok, twitter thing gone, but error still there try re-minifying?	[19:38]
luciash	hm, how to ?	[19:41]
jonnyb	clear public cache?	[19:42]
luciash	ah Tiki cache ?	[19:42]
jonnyb	yy or switch the pref off and on again (then it won't do all the others... too late?)	[19:42]
luciash	nope :)	[19:43]
jonnyb	:)	[19:43]
luciash	my finger was on the button ;) minify js off try now ?	[19:43]
jonnyb	nice - errors all gone for me (in safari)	[19:44]
luciash	minify on	[19:44]
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jonnyb	ik - errors back :(	[19:45]
luciash	i told you minify sucks ;) LOL, Tiki has gone renamed "TopLink" ?	[19:45]
jonnyb	svn up'ing there might help	[19:46]
luciash	ricks99: red alert ! ;)	[19:46]
jonnyb	it's two weeks out of date	[19:46]
ricks99	ARg	[19:46]
jonnyb	:P	[19:46]
luciash	ah yup, not having that svn upping credentials on my hand now anyone ? sylvieg: ? can u svn up tw.o ?	[19:46]
jonnyb	i think tw.o is an Oliver thing only afaik	[19:47]
luciash	aye	[19:47]
sylvieg	I do not have anymore access to tw.org	[19:47]
luciash	jonnyb: so i do js minify off now until svn upped, ok ?	[19:47]
jonnyb	i guess if editing is broken it's pretty bad	[19:47]
luciash	yes, it really pissed me off, i tell you :-p	[19:48]
jonnyb	seems ok if not logged in for me	[19:48]
luciash	minify off again	[19:48]
jonnyb	have you switched minify off again? (could you put it back on for a few minutes)	[19:48]
luciash	(js minify to be more precise)	[19:48]
jonnyb	:D	[19:48]
luciash	hahaha	[19:48]
jonnyb	i want to find the actual offending bit of js	[19:49]
luciash	ok it is on now	[19:49]
ricks99	apologies, all :(	[19:49]
jonnyb	it's probably fixable by changing some prefs i feel ta	[19:49]
luciash	goin to put the tweets module on for anonymous and registered again ricks99: np, hopefully it didn't leak into many RSS feeds already ;) s/RSS feeds/RSS readers/	[19:49]
ricks99	well, i deleted the article which now ve used a redirect insteadi realize, i should ha which now i realize i should have used a redirect instead	[19:51]
luciash	jonnyb: i enabled the tweets module, hopefuly it doesn't affect your debugging hunt again	[19:52]
jonnyb	probably not think i'm too tired to wrestle with minify stuff now, so better switch it off again for now i wonder if any of the other tw.o sites have the same problem	[19:52]
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luciash	ok it can be combination of more things (CDN of google, minify css there too)	[19:58]
jonnyb	indeed i'll try and recreate it locally	[20:01]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r28271 10/trunk/templates/modules/mod-quick_edit.tpl: [FIX] module quick edit: false condition gives wsod (fixes #28084)	[20:07]
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Walrus23	good morning/evening i'm pretty new to tikiwiki, and i'm wanting to install the top horizontal menu for my site, and i'm completely lost	[21:03]
jonnyb	try admin/look & feel Walrus23	[21:08]
Walrus23	ok	[21:08]
jonnyb	top bar -> menu	[21:09]
Walrus23	found it thanks it's early here, forgive me	[21:09]
jonnyb	it's late here - no worries :)	[21:09]
Walrus23	lol now i need to change what is on the bar it isn't hard i'm sure	[21:10]
jonnyb	http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Menu	[21:11]
Walrus23	lol ok, i think i'll leave it till after my next coffee	[21:11]
jonnyb	good plan	[21:12]
Walrus23	bbl	[21:15]
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CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28274 10/trunk/ (8 files in 5 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/5.x 28257 to 28273	[21:57]
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bbfoto	how do I debug a no login situation? I've spent the past 3 hrs poking around, and feel that it's a DB entry/pref somewhere that a user set last friday and now it broke monday morning I've looked at what was found from google !help	[23:01]
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