#tikiwiki 2010-10-18,Mon

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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r30087 10/branches/6.x/lib/test/TikiLib/WikiParserTest.php: removing code comment on test (thanks jonny for fixing the issue with headings)	[00:58]
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sparrW	the front page of info.tiki.org has a little popup div about the site dogfooding tiki6 beta "Tiki6 Beta" is a link to /Tiki6 which is a 404 :( Perhaps it is meant to link to http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki6 ?	[03:51]
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marclaporte	sparrW : : yes, good point. tks I will fix	[04:00]
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chineseEdit	help	[04:03]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ .	[04:03]
chineseEdit	hello	[04:04]
marclaporte	sparrW: any errors on the other sites?	[04:05]
sparrW	brand new visitor, haven't noticed any have a question though... i assume the tiki6 running the main site isn't quite a daily build. is there anywhere to get THAT snapshot?	[04:05]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile	[04:06]
marclaporte	sparrW: sure http://dev.tiki.org/Daily+Build	[04:08]
sparrW	so tiki.org is running a build from last night, every night?	[04:10]
marclaporte	most *.tiki.org are running daily Build	[04:10]
sparrW	ok	[04:10]
marclaporte	Perhaps even updated every hour	[04:10]
chineseEdit	I'm setting tiki 5.3 wiki. using chinese. It seems that chinese pages cannot be saved after edit. Any settings to be adjusted?	[04:11]
marclaporte	look at bottom: Last update from SVN (6.0beta1): Monday 18 October, 2010 03:21:27 UTC - REV 30088 chineseEdit: this is often related to the database not being in UTF-8	[04:11]
sparrW	ook well, before I dive in... I'm setting up a wiki for my roommates to use for roommate organization stuff. House rules, shopping list, guests and party planning, etc. I'd like wiki pages intermingled with forum-like pages (that aren't necessarily Discussion Pages for other pages, like mediawiki does) that is, I'd like a standalone Discussion page (or many of them)	[04:11]
marclaporte	chineseEdit : can you test on http://tiki.org/test ?	[04:13]
chineseEdit	thanks, marclaporte. I've used utf-8 in tiki. the database is LAMP under ubuntu 10.04, all in the defaults.	[04:13]
marclaporte	chineseEdit: make sure tables are also in UTF-8 wow, you must have a lot of roommates :-)	[04:14]
sparrW	7br 3ba with a 4000sqft garage/workshop very collaborative, somewhat collective	[04:15]
marclaporte	sparrW : you can use discussion forums, or threaded comments below pages sparrW : why do you want 6 vs 5.3 ?	[04:15]
sparrW	forward compatibility, one less upgrade over the course of the next years	[04:16]
chineseEdit	marclaporte: :( I am newcomer to tiki or any other wiki. I setup tiki for the 1st time. how to check tables in UTF-8?	[04:17]
sparrW	I'd rather have bugs now and the current version a year from now than a working site today and be out of date a year from now	[04:17]
marclaporte	chineseEdit: try to re-run tiki-install.php It may tell you that your tables are not UTF-8 and will offer to migrate to UTF-8	[04:17]
chineseEdit	marclaporte: ok, I'll try. thanks	[04:17]
marclaporte	sparrW : you will quickly be obsolete, because of quick release cycle :-)	[04:18]
sparrW	well, i aim for slightly less quickly	[04:18]
marclaporte	sparrW: but upgrade are easy because all features in one (no pesky plugins to upgrade)	[04:18]
sparrW	got bitten a while back by installing drupal vX when vX+1 was in beta, then X+1 was the standard for a couple of years and I had an upgrade I could have avoided	[04:18]
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marclaporte	sparrW : Tiki has a different model http://tiki.org/Model#Dead-end_features_Dependency_hell	[04:28]
coaboa	good morning tikiverse	[04:37]
chineseEdit	marclaporte: I tried for few times. It works. Thank you very much.	[04:44]
marclaporte	good morning coaboa sparrW : how do you intend to customize your Tiki?	[04:44]
sparrW	not sure possibly barely at all, for now	[04:45]
marclaporte	From what I see you needing, I don't think you'll need any	[04:45]
sparrW	at this moment, we just need something more useful and accessible than a big whiteboard :) but who knows where it will go	[04:45]
marclaporte	So I suggest to take stable 5.3 and to upgrade to 6.1 or 6.2 when it is released Do you code?	[04:46]
sparrW	some	[04:49]
marclaporte	sparrW: ah, well in that case. I take back what I said before get branches/6.x by SVN and help us squash the bugs :-) http://dev.tiki.org/How+to+get+commit+access http://dev.tiki.org/Get code#Using_Dev_6.x_from_SVN	[04:50]
sparrW	space in a wiki URL, bug? :-p	[04:53]
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sparrW	trunk would be inadvisable? oooh, php :) I chose to remain ignorant of language while choosing I favor PHP too much, was willing to let a great app force me to get more python or ruby practice if I had a dollar for every independent copy of PEAR on my web servers...	[04:55]
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coaboa	good morning marclaporte: how is ti going with the projectmanagement tool? Have you seen the tool "mg" @ mativy.com? a task driven aproach. looks interesting. I likely have to implement a collaboration solution for a large gereman brewery... maybe too big for a lonly tikiist ;-)	[05:13]
marclaporte	sparrW: hehe sparrW: avoid trunk for now because we want everyone to focus on 6.x until 6.1 is released coaboa : I had not seen mg coaboa : looks like trackers can help	[05:14]
sparrW	checking out 6.x had it checked out to the wrong directory, tried to move it but ran into duplicate filenames... that was weird	[05:21]
marclaporte	sparrW : what is your SourceForge username?	[05:22]
sparrW	not a tiki problem sparr aww, sourceforge rounds account age up it's telling me 10 years a few months in advance :)	[05:22]
coaboa	marclaporte: Yes.My crazy idea is that rather then building a tiki core team etc. set up a tikitaskforce. A job drop box, cclight, some balanced ratring and a timetracking where a tiki based project managment tool helpes to keep track of who has done what. and the revenue is divided based on contribution. Only work would be done which could be realy billed.	[05:24]
marclaporte	a veteran! Welcome to the Tiki community https://sourceforge.net/users/sparr #448 with commit access :-) coaboa: Time tracking is a top priority of mine for Tiki7 http://dev.tiki.org/TimeSheet	[05:25]
sparrW	Failed to set max_execution_time for PHP. sparrW checkes AllowOverrides	[05:30]
coaboa	I know. I talking about some kind of integrated business model for dynamic teams. my daughter is awake. BBL	[05:32]
sparrW	haha marclaporte: I haven't used SF in a long time gotta figure out how to file bug reports again	[05:33]
marclaporte	you hosting on SourceForge?	[05:34]
sparrW	oh, no where do bug reports for tiki go?	[05:36]
marclaporte	dev.tiki.org	[05:36]
sparrW	cool just to verify, the first line of db/tiki.sql should start with "-- " instead of "- -", right?	[05:37]
marclaporte	We dogfood pretty much everything	[05:37]
sparrW	easy bug reports are easy :) either I'm crazy, or that's something super silly to have made it into svn...	[05:41]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3591 - - db/tiki.sql has typo on line 1, bad comment formatting - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3591	[05:50]
sparrW	well, off to a start... http://ccccccc.zapto.org now to figure this all out :)	[06:04]
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marclaporte	sparrW : just commit the fix! (faster than reporting a bug)	[06:25]
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luciash	polom polom	[08:55]
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luciash	hi jonnyb	[09:01]
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ricks99	hi all	[11:13]
coaboa_	b2k & hi all too ;-)	[11:19]
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luciash	hi guys >what is b2k ?	[11:20]
Sug4r	What are you asking me for?	[11:21]
ricks99	back to keyboard?	[11:21]
coaboa	y	[11:21]
luciash	aah :) >learn b2k as back to keyboard	[11:21]
Sug4r	OK, here we go!	[11:21]
ricks99	anyone seen http://cmsreport.com/content/2010/10/testing-popular-cms-and-blogging-systems any idea how tiki stacks up?	[11:21]
coaboa	sorry used it in a mmrpg	[11:22]
luciash	luciash knew only afk :-p	[11:22]
jonnyb	shouldn't it be b@k? ;)	[11:24]
luciash	in england, maybe :) ricks99: no idea, seems tiki is not popular cms (yet)	[11:25]
ricks99	what are the raw numbers for a new, default tiki install?	[11:26]
jonnyb	usually just "b" is enough imho (the keyboard bit is sort of implied)	[11:26]
ricks99	just curious to see, raw data, how we stack up?	[11:27]
luciash	ricks99: cip-bench() seems not to be publicly available, hard to say ricks99: did u receive my mail reply ? ricks99: about the book	[11:27]
ricks99	y. thank you :-) hoping to get review copies out this wk	[11:31]
luciash	ricks99: will it be pdf ?	[11:37]
ricks99	y	[11:37]
jonnyb	seems like the char encoding of tikilib has gone weird - anyone got any idea what charset it should be using? i always assumed it was latin1	[11:48]
luciash	jonnyb: all files for tiki should be edited in utf-8 afaik	[11:49]
jonnyb	not tikilib (didn't use to be anyway) and there are some odd chars in there - like § as a delimiter (bad choice)	[11:49]
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luciash	but it should, just in case if you want to use chars like "©" there	[11:51]
jonnyb	there are some like in take_away_accent() - but they've always looked wrong in the file (because it was utf-8 "via" latin1)	[11:52]
	seems it's latin1 if you open it (tikilib.php this is) in utf-8 it seems to damage it no good...	[12:03]
luciash	hmm i wonder when it happened, had no issues with it recently	[12:07]
coaboa	windows user with commit acce and wordpad only ;-)	[12:08]
jonnyb	i saw on marc's pc in NY that it messed it up in aptana i'm trying to edit one via ftp to fix something i can't reproduce locally and it keeps saying "syntax error" (due to encoding weirdness)	[12:08]
coaboa	maybe ftp client uses wrong encoding?	[12:12]
jonnyb	i think the file is slightly wrong - it should be utf-8 really, but sort of works ok in latin1 most odd would be better if it was just 7-bit ascii imho, and any clever chars should be hex values, or something anyway - found the bug :) - fix coming...	[12:16]
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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30089 10/branches/6.x/lib/tikilib.php: tikiwiki: [FIX] timezones: Check validity of both cases of timezone selection. Then recheck incase server_timezone is invalid. tikiwiki: Should fix out of memory errors on saving user prefs and general admin in some setups (thanks Geoff).	[12:21]
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jonnyb	bbl	[12:27]
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amette_	a transparent png turns black after upload... what am I missing? I found a irc.tw.o log mentioning it, but no solution... ideas?	[12:44]
ricks99	need to specify display @ 100%. the thumbnail will not be transparent {img thumb="n" width="100%"	[12:45]
amette_	hmm, that sucks... is this some GD limitation?	[12:45]
luciash	amette_: thumbnails are generated by gd which cannot handle the transparency i guess	[12:46]
ricks99	afaik	[12:46]
amette_	hmm, and switching to the other lib, does that help? what was it called?	[12:46]
luciash	or maybe it is lame Tiki converting them all to jpg ImageMagick ?	[12:46]
amette_	ah, right	[12:46]
luciash	never suceeded to force it to use ImageMagick, good luck bro	[12:46]
amette_	well, it's gentoo... G hard to use GD, when it's not compiled in ;) I might give it a try, thanks bro! :)	[12:47]
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JoernOtt	hey amette_: another gentoo user maybe we should create an ebuild for tiki 5.3 and 6 on tiki fest berlin then we could force ppl to build php with the right use flags (which would help me when I set up a server very late at night)	[13:12]
chibaguy	luciash, have you noticed Opera having trouble with Tiki's CSS? (or anyone) Opera doesn't seem to get all the css files when not minified. When css files are minified, then they work ok in Opera. kinda funny.	[13:20]
ricks99	hm... after upgrading from tiki 3 -> 6, my google user map no longer shows any of my users's locations	[13:23]
coaboa	google needs the info itself ;-)	[13:23]
ricks99	data is all there, just nothing plottedon the map :(	[13:25]
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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r30090 10/trunk/tiki-download_file.php: [NEW]img: url param thumbnail=fileId to download a different thumbnail for an image	[13:55]
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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r30091 10/trunk/ (lib/smarty_tiki/modifier.sefurl.php tiki-sefurl.php): [FIX]sefurl: option not to put the title for in the sefurl - can be used for twitter for instance	[14:10]
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steveR	Can someone point me to the proper upgrade strategy to go from Tikiwiki 3.3 to 5.3?	[15:21]
ricks99	http://doc.tiki.org/upgrade	[15:23]
sylvieg	tabs are no more wrapped with darkroom - that creates problem with fixed width? does somebody feel guilty? so many bugs in tiki6... introduced recently...	[15:27]
steveR	I am running a production site with version 3.3 for the United Nations ... is it advised to upgrade to 5.3 or stay with 3.3? The app will likely continue for another 10 years or more, so I want to make sure we don't get left behind if we fail to do upgrades.	[15:33]
sylvieg	the LTS 3 will be pretty soon replaced with the LTS 6.	[15:34]
ricks99	@steveR: you might want to review http://dev.tiki.org/Version+lifecycle especially the recommended upgrade paths	[15:35]
luciash	re	[15:36]
steveR	Thanks Silvie - very helpful. It appears that upgrading to 6 is the logical thing to do. Since 6 still has a lot of bugs, should I wait for the 6.1 release? Something I read said that upgrading to 6.0 would be easier, another said always upgrade to the .1 version of any major new release.	[15:44]
sylvieg	I think 6.1 is the good choice if not in an hurry - check you got the recent security patch	[15:45]
steveR	Thanks everyone for your help! Over and out! :-) - steve	[15:49]
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luciash	sylvieg: jonny repositioned the "no tabs" button	[16:05]
sylvieg	yes it bkeaks darkroom	[16:05]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r30092 10/branches/6.x/lib/ (tiki-js-sorttable.js tiki-js.js): [FIX]js: move the checkbox-list_check_all function to an unconditional js for the messu_*.php script	[16:12]
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luciash	sylvieg: consult with him please	[16:29]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30093 10/branches/6.x/lib/newsletters/nllib.php: [FIX] newsletters: Handle subscriptions from wiki page using trackerlist which now seems to be {strip}ed (no line feeds)	[16:42]
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jonnyb	late poloms	[16:43]
luciash	re-polom jonnyb	[16:44]
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jonnyb	greets - chaotic day (monday, i suppose)	[16:44]
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luciash	might be	[16:47]
clemente	Hi. On a config section I see a blank page and I wonder where did tikiwiki fail. Is there a PHP error log or a debug mode which displays detailed errors?	[16:53]
jonnyb	hi clemente - in admin/general (hope that's not the one that's broken)	[16:54]
chealer	polom	[16:55]
jonnyb	hi chealer	[16:55]
chealer	hi jonnyb, luciash and all	[16:55]
luciash	yo chealer	[16:56]
chealer	clemente: in what environment is Tiki installed? which web server?	[16:56]
clemente	chealer: hostmonster, Tiki 5.2. The blank page is the one to move file galleries from database to directory jonnyb: thanks, with that setting I saw the error. It was: Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 134217728 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 15088644 bytes) in /home2/danielcl/public_html/jam1/lib/core/lib/TikiDb/Pdo.php on line 95	[16:57]
jonnyb	is it a lot of files/galleries?	[17:00]
chealer	clemente: eh. that error is not good. you could increase the PHP memory limit, but there's likely a bug causing excessive memory usage.	[17:00]
jonnyb	or it could be huge files?	[17:01]
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chealer	is it possible to use jQuery Carousel to circle images each with their own link (URL)? I can write JavaScript but wouldn't want to count time separately to keep track of which image is being displayed.	[17:02]
clemente	jonnyb: there aren't many files (<30) but some of them are big (not so huge, 20 Mb at most)	[17:02]
jonnyb	chealer: i think so, but i've not done it	[17:03]
luciash	own link on clicking the image ?	[17:03]
jonnyb	it might be trying to do them all at once - 30 * 20MB is quite big	[17:03]
luciash	or under in the description ?	[17:03]
clemente	jonnyb: no, the code in filegallib.php seems to do (function moveFiles) $this->movefile for each file, one after another	[17:05]
jonnyb	probably naughty php not garbage collecting as usual :( can you get a local version of the site working? (it's lots of hassle)	[17:05]
clemente	jonnyb: I tried it before but it didn't work; I'll try again. I can test changes in remote if they won't destroy everything But maybe it's easier to reproduce the scenario: 30 20 Mb files, and maybe the same php.ini I could try asking for PHP garbage collection after each iteration of the while loop	[17:08]
jonnyb	it's supposed to do some memory stuff in php 5.3	[17:16]
chealer	jonnyb: thanks. do you have any idea how it could be done. it couldn't find a direct support of this use case, nor an event when the image changes, nor a getter for the current image.	[17:20]
ricks99	my 3 -> 6 upgrade is not going well... now my captchas are not appearing	[17:20]
jonnyb	chealer: sorry no, not tried it	[17:21]
ricks99	any ideas why it would fail in 6, but b ok in 3? both recaptcha and regular tiki captcha fail to generate image	[17:22]
jonnyb	hi ricks99 - yes, the captcha was totally replaced a while back - not convinced it's finished...	[17:26]
ricks99	y, i know. saw it working in earlier 6 alpha	[17:27]
jonnyb	now it doesn't?	[17:27]
ricks99	i get nada... but i just checked... im missin gthe tiki-random_num_img	[17:27]
clemente	jonnyb: I checked; HostMonster uses PHP 5.2.14	[17:29]
ricks99	disregard. stupid user... sigh	[17:30]
amette_	JoernOtt: Awesome - I'm in! :)	[17:30]
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amette_	JoernOtt: http://wikifestbln.org/Projects btw - MediaWiki and FosWiki people are confirmed now too :)	[17:34]
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tricia_	Hi all, anyone know if "Only one item per user or IP" works in 5.x for IP addr? I have it set but get multiple entries for each ip addr	[17:38]
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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r30094 10/trunk/styles/layout/layout.css: [ENH] dynamic size for interactive translation box	[17:47]
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clemente	I found the line which causes the memory exhaustion in PHP: $this->query("select * from `tiki_files` where `path` = ''"); the previous line is executed and the next line won't	[18:02]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30095 10/branches/6.x/lib/rss/rsslib.php: [FIX] article generator: Don't duplicate info when description and content start the same, and don't add ~np~ to empty content.	[18:03]
chealer	clemente: heh. definitely	[18:04]
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jonnyb	clemente: odd - that looks harmless enough	[18:05]
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jonnyb	what happens if you execute it in phpmyadmin? (the sql bit, of course)	[18:05]
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clemente	jonnyb: well, I can see all data without problems	[18:07]
jonnyb	no error or anything weird (presumably) so it's unlikely to be that line i'd think	[18:08]
clemente	In the end it's the line return $pq->fetchAll(PDO::FETCH_ASSOC); in Pdo.php the one which fails, but it was called from my SELECT * query	[18:10]
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	I'm lost in trying to follow the actual code that's being executed for $this->query. But I confirm that this works:	[18:33]
jonnyb	clemente: (sry, distracted) how many rows is this returning? most odd to cause a memory outage on that imho	[18:33]
clemente	select * from `tiki_files` where `path` = '' and fileId = 53 and this doesn't select * from `tiki_files` where `path` = ''	[18:33]
jonnyb	that should return all the files in the database (not saved as a file) but you say there aren't that many - 30ish?	[18:34]
clemente	101 rows most of them not very big	[18:34]
jonnyb	ah, hang on - it will also then get all the files' contents yes, but all together? bad code :( what file/line?	[18:34]
clemente	oops, wait; mysqladmin died in listing some of the files: #2008 - MySQL client ran out of memory phpmyadmin, I mean	[18:35]
jonnyb	hmmm, something big in there?	[18:35]
clemente	the database weighs 650 Mb	[18:36]
jonnyb	ouch	[18:36]
clemente	(Yes, I think tikiwiki should write files to directory by default)	[18:37]
jonnyb	but they should be outside the web root, so you can't tell where it should be but yes, would be safer	[18:37]
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clemente	phpmyadmin can show them in small listing, e.g. SELECT * FROM `tiki_files` WHERE fileId>70 and fileId<79 but not in SELECT * FROM `tiki_files` WHERE fileId>70 and fileId<90	[18:45]
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clemente	So I guess I should have to give PHP more memory this time. But Tikiwiki could move the files without fetching all the files together, but one after the other	[18:46]
jonnyb	i've not often come across tiki databases over 100MB can you identify one record that's really big? (looks like it's between 80 and 90! :) )	[18:50]
clemente	no, each is 9, 12, 15, 18, 20 Mb, no more. But 10 * 18 Mb > 134 mb (max. allowed)	[18:52]
jonnyb	so which file and line is that? does it really need to get all fields?	[18:52]
clemente	./lib/filegals/filegallib.php → function moveFiles → $result = $this->query($query, array(''));	[18:54]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30096 10/branches/6.x/templates/ (4 files): [FIX] messu: Fix scope for CHECKBOX_LIST var declaration now the select all function is back (thanks sylvieg)	[18:55]
clemente	I think fetching all IDs in moveFiles would do. Later, moveFile can fetch the whole row, with blob included	[18:56]
jonnyb	yes, but sadly it doesn't - not a one liner fix :(	[18:57]
sylvieg	thanks jonnyb - I was on it ... but was obliged to pick up my son - thx for the fix	[18:58]
clemente	At least I note the enhancement request; I will try to send a bug report or even work on this. It doesn't seem a big change	[18:59]
jonnyb	hi sylvieg - funny coincidence - a tiki told me i had 18 new messages - well spotted in the first place clemente: true - should be fixed for 6.0 really can you add it to http://dev.tiki.org/Tiki6#Todo (not sure it's quite a blocker compared to the rest ;) )	[18:59]
clemente	directly there, or in a bug report?	[19:04]
jonnyb	yes there's easiest - we fix trackers in tiki 7 (he he he)	[19:04]
clemente	ouch! I lost my edits to the wiki page because I used „preview“	[19:10]
jonnyb	really? that's not nice (and probably my fault this time) which browser?	[19:12]
clemente	conkeror (Gecko engine) I got a message, something about creating a page because it didn't exist or /if/ it didn't exist	[19:13]
jonnyb	not heard of that one	[19:13]
luciash	u mean Konqueror ?	[19:13]
clemente	no, conkeror with c :-)	[19:14]
jonnyb	probably a javascript error try one of the "main" browsers?	[19:14]
luciash	hmm, never heard about that one either	[19:14]
clemente	You must specify a page name, it will be created if it doesn't exist. Editing http://dev.tiki.org/Tiki6 No Javascript errors lately according to Gecko's JS console	[19:14]
jonnyb	can you see if the same thing happens in firefox?	[19:16]
clemente	That's not new, I remember the „Preview“ button was broken in official forums or wiki a long time time ago	[19:17]
jonnyb	hmmm, forum preview is totally different from wiki page preview (sadly)	[19:18]
clemente	Firefox does the same	[19:18]
jonnyb	oh great - someone's broken the js minify again maybe...	[19:19]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r30097 10/trunk/styles/layout/layout.css: rollback r30094: broke layout in some corner cases	[19:21]
clemente	jonnyb: I added that bug; only without clicking „preview“ :-)	[19:21]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r30098 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [ENH]messu: the messu message notif now has the subject = subject given by the other and at the bottom of the message the from site	[19:21]
jonnyb	i'd like to work out why it failed for you, clemente working fine in firefox 3.6 for me here	[19:21]
clemente	one moment, I look for the notes I took the last time I saw it failing Mmm… last time I got this message in forums when clicking „Preview“ (and only then): Notice: this variable may not be empty: $_POST["thread_sort_mode"] but this time it's not the forum	[19:22]
jonnyb	no, sounds like it's a js error - do you have firebug?	[19:25]
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clemente	yes	[19:26]
jonnyb	try enabling "break on all errors" in the console (top left corner)	[19:27]
clemente	It happens in other wiki pages (ex. „Get code“). I must only click „Edit page“ and then „Preview“, without any change	[19:27]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r30099 10/trunk/ (templates/tiki-edit_languages.tpl tiki-edit_languages.php): renaming tiki-edit_languages.php title since it is not possible to import translantions anymore	[19:28]
jonnyb	yes - all pages on that site will probably be the same	[19:28]
clemente	I get no errors, only some CSS warnings I mean, I get „You must specify a page name, it will be created if it doesn't exist.“, but not JS errors	[19:29]
luciash	rodrigo_sampaio: why ? that'd be a shame to loose the import feature	[19:29]
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rodrigo_sampaio	Hi luciash! I knew you would ask me that ;)	[19:30]
luciash	rodrigo_sampaio: sorry, maybe i just misunderstood :)	[19:30]
rodrigo_sampaio	luciash: no problem. now you don't need to import a language to the database to be able to edit it's strings luciash: that is why I removed the feature luciash: if you go to tiki-edit_languages.php you can edit the translations and store them in the database without having to import first	[19:30]
luciash	ah, so one just overwrites language.php ? and it gets automatically updated in db ? when storing in db	[19:31]
clemente	jonnyb: I would very happily try the same in my browsers without JavaScript, but tikiwiki doesn't work in plain and simple HTML :-( At least not the „edit“ button	[19:32]
rodrigo_sampaio	luciash: yes I guess (not sure if I understood what you mean) luciash: before if you go to tiki-edit_languages.php you were unable to edit translation for a particular language before importing all its translations to the database	[19:32]
clemente	<a title="Edit this page" href="#main" onclick=" loadComponent('tiki-editpage.php?page=WishList' … Damn web 2.0, I want my web 1.0 back!	[19:33]
rodrigo_sampaio	luciash: this is not necessary anymore luciash: you can translate any string from language.php (that is not commented) directly and save it to the database. strings in the database override strings in language.php	[19:33]
luciash	rodrigo_sampaio: so if i edited via interactive translation on one site (strong in db right ?) and export to language.php and want to use the same translations on another site, where i also use db for translation but haven't translated as much there, i just do overwrite the language.php there and it gets updated in db there too ? s/strong in db/storing in db/ "strings in the database override strings in language.php" - that is what i am worried about... how do i override the ones in db with the better translations from language.php i just got ? without import feature	[19:34]
jonnyb	clemente: thanks for adding the bug, despite the bugs	[19:38]
luciash	clemente: what if you switch ajax off then ? clemente: if you want your web 1.0 back	[19:38]
jonnyb	it's on dev.t.o luciash	[19:39]
luciash	jonnyb: ah, sorry, misunderstood :)	[19:39]
jonnyb	that's why it would be good to fix it if poss	[19:39]
clemente	luciash: is there a switch to switch it off globally on WWW? I need other to fix HTTP	[19:40]
luciash	jonnyb: do u think we should switch it off there ? clemente: lol	[19:40]
rodrigo_sampaio	luciash: why you don't use custom.php for that?	[19:40]
jonnyb	no, fix it :)	[19:40]
rodrigo_sampaio	luciash: I mean you translate in one site on the database luciash: than export those translations to a custom.php file and copy this file to the other site luciash: you have the advantage of keeping your custom translations as custom without merging them with the official Tiki translations luciash: makes sense?	[19:40]
luciash	rodrigo_sampaio: use case - people translate something on my site willing to contribute to Tiki... but then new Tiki is released and the translations in language.php are far better there so i want to use them rodrigo_sampaio: and btw, can interactive translation save to custom.php language file ?	[19:41]
rodrigo_sampaio	luciash: in this use case how import language.php to database can help you?	[19:42]
luciash	rodrigo_sampaio: it can help me because i need to override the bullshit in db	[19:43]
rodrigo_sampaio	luciash: is not that interactive translation can save to custom.php. interactive translation is one of the ways to store translations in the database. and you can export database translations to a custom.php (a new file is generated for you to download)	[19:43]
luciash	jonnyb: how to fix Ajax links for users with JS off ?	[19:44]
rodrigo_sampaio	luciash: but if you use import language.php for that it is the same as removing all your database translations and using language.php directly, no? luciash: so maybe what you need in this use case is a way to remove all the translations from the database? (there is already a way to remove translation from the database but it is one by one)	[19:44]
jonnyb	luciash: it should revert to all <noscript> behaviour then	[19:45]
clemente	luciash: just use a sensible href for all <a>s	[19:46]
jonnyb	luciash: you usually have to log out then back in to see the difference	[19:46]
clemente	href="page.html" ← one page links to another pages; that's the key concept of hypertext href="#nowhere" ← WWW is broken	[19:46]
jonnyb	ah, clemente - do you have js off? (maybe the new preview doesn't have no-js fallback... yet)	[19:47]
luciash	rodrigo_sampaio: you now how it works now when you rewrote it ;) i am just asking, because you said the strings in db override language.php, and i don't know how to clean the db translation strings out easily, without the import feature now	[19:47]
clemente	no, with a normal Firefox with no modifications I get the same error	[19:47]
luciash	just switch off use db for translations and it get cleared ?	[19:47]
clemente	I will try with more browsers	[19:48]
rodrigo_sampaio	luciash: I'm glad you are asking because you always come with a use case I haven't thought before ;)	[19:48]
luciash	rodrigo_sampaio: so when i switch it on again, i will see the fresh new translations from language.php and can continue use it ? rodrigo_sampaio: heheh, sorry to cause you headaches	[19:48]
rodrigo_sampaio	luciash: right now there is no user friendly way to remove all the translations from the database (you can go to mysql and type "delete from tiki_language;" :P). if this is needed the best would be to add this feature instead of keeping import language.php for doing that	[19:49]
luciash	clemente: yeah, i don't know who invented the a href="#main" when Ajax is on in Tiki (what is it good for) rodrigo_sampaio: yeah, there is always workaround to go and modify the db directly, but definitely not user (admin) friendly	[19:49]
rodrigo_sampaio	luciash: I will add a button to delete all the strings from the database :)	[19:51]
luciash	rodrigo_sampaio: cool :)	[19:52]
clemente	jonnyb: strange, with Konqueror (this time with k), it works	[19:52]
rodrigo_sampaio	luciash: having a separate way to remove all the strings from the database, do you see another reason for using import language.php to the database? :P	[19:53]
jonnyb	Kurious...	[19:53]
luciash	rodrigo_sampaio: next rfe, add merge translations button :-p	[19:53]
clemente	jonnyb: my useragent is: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.13) Gecko/20100916 Iceweasel/3.5.13 (like Firefox/3.5.13) (in Firefox)	[19:53]
rodrigo_sampaio	rodrigo_sampaio: you mean merge translations from database to language.php? ops luciash: you mean merge translations from database to language.php? luciash: this button exist ;) luciash: it is very simple, but exist	[19:54]
luciash	rodrigo_sampaio: lol, i mean merge translations from received language.php to the current Tiki (database)	[19:55]
jonnyb	clemente: so your firefox is iceweasel? (sorry, another one i don't test for)	[19:55]
luciash	rodrigo_sampaio: no idea what to do with conflicts though ;)	[19:55]
rodrigo_sampaio	luciash: :)	[19:55]
clemente	jonnyb: yes, but it's a name change. But you shouldn't „test“ for browser names, but for features: if it has getElementById, do this, else this… In addition, „Firefox“ appears at the userAgent	[19:56]
luciash	rodrigo_sampaio: it would definitely allow better collaborative translating of Tiki though i think when you could receive language.php from contributors, go to i18n.tiki.org, upload that file via browser and merge the new translations easily like that then just export for svn commit as you do now	[19:57]
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clemente	jonnyb: I will test it more later, but now I should go away a bit. Thanks for the help in finding the memory problem	[19:59]
luciash	rodrigo_sampaio: anyway, you do great job improving that feature, thanks	[19:59]
jonnyb	ok, thanks too clemente	[20:00]
rodrigo_sampaio	luciash: my impression is that this is too much effort to do something other softwares (like svn) do much better, though I agree with you that having a interface for that would be much more user friendly luciash: draft documentation of the new features http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki7#Improvements_interactive_translation_and_quot_Edit_or_export_languages_quot_page luciash: already in trunk ;)	[20:00]
luciash	rodrigo_sampaio: great	[20:02]
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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r30100 10/trunk/lib/language/Language.php: [FIX] search when listing database translations only	[20:09]
MacLeod	Anyone familiar with Cisco's "Show and Share", a "Social Video System" ?	[20:14]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30101 10/branches/6.x/lib/setup/js_detect.php: [FIX] js: setcookie expects seconds for expiry	[20:19]
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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30102 10/branches/6.x/lib/setup/editmode.php: [FIX] js: wysiwyg requires javascript	[20:19]
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Guest5826	new install on local host of tiki 5.3 get this error when trying to save page: The requested URL /tiki-5.3/HomePage&no_bl=y was not found on this server. however the page does save when going direct to it when hovering over the save button it shows the curly arrow button	[20:19]
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Guest5826	using ubuntu 10.04 BTW	[20:23]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r30103 10/branches/6.x/tiki-edit_languages.php: [FIX] make sure only admins can write database translations back to language.php	[20:23]
jonnyb	Guest5826: sounds like a .htaccess problem do you have one?	[20:23]
Guest5826	dont know i am running it all locally on my laptop will never go to the web w/it just installed it and tried to change the main page	[20:24]
jonnyb	check in the files - you probably need to rename _htaccess to .htaccess	[20:25]
Guest5826	will do thanx there is a "htaccess.sh" file in the main dir is that what u r talking about?	[20:25]
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jonnyb	are you on unix? (if so, that should do it)	[20:33]
Guest5826	ubuntu 10.04 kinda the same	[20:34]
jonnyb	sry - you said it just renames _htaccess to .htaccess	[20:34]
Guest5826	so rename htaccess.sh to .htaccess.sh ? or run it in the terminal?	[20:35]
jonnyb	no - not htaccess.sh but _htaccess	[20:35]
chealer	does anyone know about collations and conversion in MySQL? why would a query like SELECT * FROM `tiki_translations_in_progress` WHERE (`page_id` , `language`) = ( 2002, 'en' ) cause #1267 - Illegal mix of collations (latin1_swedish_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_unicode_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation '='	[20:36]
jonnyb	chealer: sounds nasty - i just looking at charsets etc now sounds like a difference between local and global mysql settings (horrid)	[20:37]
chealer	jonnyb: hum, to me the difference in collations comes from the connection being UTF-8 and the database being latin1. but I don't understand why conversion is not working.	[20:39]
Guest5826	that file is not in the root area of tiki 5.3 where might i find it?	[20:39]
jonnyb	Guest5826: maybe the installer renamed it for you and files starting with a . are hidden are you using an apache alias for the tiki?	[20:40]
chealer	(the string "en" is taken as UTF-8 since the connection is UTF-8 but checked againt the language column which is latin1)	[20:40]
Guest5826	probably not as i don't know what that is. i downloaded it installed the community profile and tried to change the main page. trying something now, though ran sh htaccess.sh and no go	[20:41]
jonnyb	does it work ok just going to the root of the server? (/tiki-5.3/ presumably)	[20:44]
Guest5826	i can get to the root or anywhere as it's all on my laptop. i can do anything on the tiki. i just get the error when i try to save or preview. it gives the curly arrow when i click stuff and then the error. it does save the stuff if u go direct though and view it	[20:46]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r30104 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [ENH] button to remove all database translations	[20:47]
Guest5826	this dealt w/it in SEP: http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2010-09-23,Thu&text=on	[20:47]
rodrigo_sampaio	luciash: delete all db translations done on r30104 ;)	[20:48]
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Guest5826	ok removed the search engine friendly url stuff and no problems now. being that it's simply for me i have no probs w/that. will report if i have any issues. :)	[20:54]
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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30105 10/branches/6.x/db/tiki.sql: lost hyphem	[20:55]
jonnyb	i'm sure it's this RewriteBase setting in .htaccess - google it if you want sefurl back on again one day	[20:56]
Guest5826	ok, thanx!	[20:56]
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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30106 10/branches/6.x/db/tiki.sql: [DB] Set correct utf8 charset and collation on clean install	[21:04]
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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30109 10/branches/6.x/lib/setup/prefs.php: [FIX] prefs: default error reporting to E_ALL & ~E_NOTICE for new installs (still admin only) - to be reverted to 0 when white page issue solved.	[21:47]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3592 - - broken doc.t.o Preview fonctionality - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3592	[22:19]
clemente	(hey, that's the same problem I had. I added a comment)	[22:24]
luciash	rodrigo_sampaio: thanks :)	[22:29]
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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r30110 10/trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): tikiwiki: [ENH] show archive comments on tiki-list_comments.php tikiwiki: [ENH] minor interface improvements to archive comments when listing object comments	[23:16]
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