#tikiwiki 2015-11-20,Fri

hehe, yeah, I figured I'd try something different today ;)
Technically using IRC via my XMPP client works really nicely, so take it as a sign of the concept being out of alpha. *g*

[12:45]

jonnyb

[12:48]

amette_

So, should we go disabling some stuff? :)

[12:48]

jonnyb

could do, but i have to go out shortly for a while

[12:57]

amette_

ok, I can start doing it... have to fiddle with the wkhtmltopdf still, too

[12:58]

jonnyb

i guess just disabling those prefs would be easy amette_, and if you're monitoring the server we should be able to see if it speeds things up much?

[12:58]

amette_

Hmm, yep, let me see if I have proper metrics for HTML page speed.

[12:59]

jonnyb

seems it's not being that busy yet today - https://doc.tiki.org/PluginCustomSearch just loaded in only 7 seconds (woo!)

[12:59]

amette_

So what do we bother, let's just use the site on Friday mornings?! :P

[13:00]

jonnyb

mind you, 2nd load was: [ Execution time: 15.26 secs ] [ Memory usage: 12.82MB ] [ Queries: 314 in 14.6 secs ]
maybe that's because there are two users on it now? ;)

[13:00]

amette_

hrhr, yup.. and rough guesstimate 97% of time is used for queries
we might be surprised at the speed of tiki once we get those eliminated

[13:01]

jonnyb

ok, feature_stats disabled and feature_referer_stats disabled
same page: [ Execution time: 8.27 secs ] [ Memory usage: 12.85MB ] [ Queries: 2033 in 7.49 secs ]

[13:02]

amette_

woohoo - does it stay like that on the second page load?

[13:03]

jonnyb

but 2nd load: [ Execution time: 1.87 secs ] [ Memory usage: 12.78MB ] [ Queries: 313 in 1.40 secs ]
better

[13:03]

amette_

That's what I'm talking about! :)
2 seconds for the page

[13:03]

jonnyb

that's almost usable ;)

[13:03]

amette_

yeah, isn't it?! Google might start to like us. :P

[13:04]

jonnyb

looks like not all of the modules are being cached either

[13:04]

amette_

hmm, that sounds like another good thing to try - what exactly do you mean? Admin->Modules something?

[13:05]

jonnyb

https://doc.tiki.org/tiki-admin_modules.php

[13:05]

amette_

monitoring tells me 2.54s Average on doc.t.o and 7.35s Max over the last five weeks

[13:05]

jonnyb

but i've never been 100% sure if things like the search module still work if cached

[13:05]

amette_

ah, right, I see what you mean

[13:06]

jonnyb

that's just cpu isn't it - doesn't really say how streesed out the database has been i think

[13:06]

amette_

that's the actual HTTP transfer - those numbers seem too good to me, too, but that's what the monitoring measured
interestingly the 7 seconds were in week 43 (5 weeks ago), after that a constant 2 secs

[13:06]

jonnyb

well everything on doc now seems about 10 times faster

[13:07]

amette_

:)
Ah, the power of proper systems thinking. ;)

[13:07]

jonnyb

i've added cache times to most of the "statis" looking modules, so let's see whay happens :)

[13:09]

amette_

still some slow loads in between, but much better indeed
cool!

[13:09]

jonnyb

static

[13:09]

amette_

still slow queries though...

[13:10]

jonnyb

I guess we'll see better when the other side of the world wakes up properly

[13:10]

amette_

tiki_files hits

[13:10]

jonnyb

tracker ones?

[13:10]

amette_

and tiki_stats

[13:10]

jonnyb

ah riight

[13:10]

amette_

UPDATE `tiki_files` SET `hits` = `hits` + '1', `lastDownload` = '1448021411' WHERE 1=1 AND `fileId` = '1097' LIMIT 1;
insert into `tiki_stats` (`object`,`type`,`day`,`hits`) values('Accessibility','wiki','1447974000',1);

[13:11]

jonnyb

yes, as i said, hits seem to ignore the pref setting fo some (stupid) reason

[13:11]

amette_

right, that's the one we need to comment in again

[13:11]

jonnyb

i wonder if the tiki_files hits are configurable
i think we need to add some new prefs to disable these stats writes, otherwise there will be whinging... might see if i can do that later
meanwhile, need to pop out... bbl

[13:11]

amette_

Awesome, much appreciated!
Thanks so far, have fun, laters mate! :)

[13:13]

jonnyb

u2 :)
we should add some notes to https://tiki.org/blog2-Tiki-Website-Gardeners-Blog later amette_ (jusst adding this as a reminder to myself as much as anything ;) )
laterz

[13:14]

amette_

k, cool :)

[13:17]

disabled stats and referrer stats on dev, too

[13:30]

and it helps tremendously on normal wiki pages

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jonnyb

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back, but busy in the north pole...

[14:35]

amette_

amette_ doesn't dare to ask what that might be a euphemism for

[14:36]

jonnyb

:D
will tell you when i've fixed it...

[14:37]

amette_

ok, cool ;)

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[16:18]

Cannibal

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polom!
weird problem : after an upgrade to 12.4 (migration to a new server), all the blog posts display the html code on the page instead of formatted text.
and it's only a problem in blog posts

[16:20]

jonnyb

polom Cannibal - sounds nasty

[16:22]

Cannibal

yeah :) simply editing the blogpost and clicking save fixes the issue... but there are several hundreds of posts :D

[16:23]

jonnyb

and it sounds familiar from 12.x days - i think it's something to do with wysiwyg and the settings
when you edit a post does the source view show html or wiki syntax?

[16:23]

Cannibal

hmmm... editing the post gives the formatted text... in a wysiwyg style. no wiki syntax or html
the old system showed html syntax apparently...

[16:25]

jonnyb

and no "source" button on the toolbar?

[16:26]

Cannibal

oh.. sorry. source displays html code

[16:26]

jonnyb

might be worth having a look in the database at the tiki_blog_posts table, the ones you fixed by saying probably have the wysiwyg column set to "y"
so you might be able to fix them all with a db query

[16:30]

Cannibal

omg!!!! thank you!!! i'll better have a look at the other tables as well.

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[16:35]

Cannibal

upgrading directly from 3.3 to 12.4 was a bit risky :D

[16:35]

jonnyb

it might affect articles too - wiki pages should be ok
coo, yes, that's a bit of a jump :)

[16:35]

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amette_ and amette - i added a few notes here about what we (i) did to doc.tiki.org here https://tiki.org/blogpost625-Stats-switched-off-on-doc-tiki-org did i miss anything important?)

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[17:08]

Cannibal

I found one error in the ./lang/nl/language.php file : "Click here to confirm your action" => "Klik hier om uw actie te bestigen"
should be : "Click here to confirm your action" => "Klik hier om uw actie te bevestigen"

[17:11]

it's been several years since my last bug report/fix. Where's the best place to create a bug and a fix for this issue?

https://dev.tiki.org/tracker5 ?

[17:21]

nevermind, i've re-registered (old email account is gone) for the tiki.org site and I'll add the bug and fix later

[17:34]

jonnyb

just for a translation Cannibal? Not really a bug, better to just fix it

[17:34]

Cannibal

ah ok! thanks. This translation error has been in tikiwiki for ages. At one point it had been fixed but the wrong translation reappeared in a newer version.
I'll apply for svn access once my account has been enabled.

[17:36]

jonnyb

super! :)

[17:36]

Cannibal

now only one more thing to solve before we can go live with the new 12.4 :)
old install was not set at utf-8. and when we import the data on the new install (which now is utf-8) we get a lot of weird characters for �, � and other � stuff in the database. Been working on this for a few days now but there doesn't seem to be an easy fix :D

[17:37]

amette_

Cannibal : read this first https://doc.tiki.org/Understanding+Encoding - then try the automatic fixing that the installer gives you - and don't trust it blindly, it may look good, but things may be actually worse inside the database

[17:43]

jonnyb

jonnyb shudders remembering the character encoding horrors of tiki 4 and 5

[17:46]

Cannibal

Thanks amette! I have been going through that doc already. I'll give it another look.

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amette_

amette_ remembers the three days of banging head against wall until he figured the Tiki bug out that caused that, too
jonnyb : nothing to add to your blog post - good job!
Good luck, Cannibal! Fingers crossed! :)
amette_ is off now - cya guys :)

[18:09]

jonnyb

cheers amette_ see you later/sooner

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