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PenguinMan98test
PenguinMan98 is finally at a point to start making his first tracker 		[05:42]
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PenguinMan98PenguinMan98 waves to Tom [05:53]
TomJarvisPenguinMan98: The IP selector tracker field has to be turned on in Admin Home - Trackers - Field Types tab [05:56]
PenguinMan98oh?
lemme check 		[05:57]
TomJarvisThere are several Tracker field types that are not available by default [05:59]
PenguinMan98it's marked an 'experimental' feature [06:00]
TomJarvisIt has been there since 1.10, I use it in Tiki 9. Doc: https://doc.tiki.org/IP+selector [06:01]
PenguinMan98PenguinMan98 shrugs. Then somebody screwed up the config page [06:03]
TomJarvisI checked my Tiki 9, it is marked experimental there too. [06:05]
PenguinMan98When things like this sneak in and don't get caught for whole major revisions, it doesn't speak well for other features being well maintained [06:06]
TomJarvisExperimental: http://doc.tiki.org/Experimental [06:09]
PenguinMan98so you're suggesting that them being marked experimental is intentional [06:11]
TomJarvisYes. I have been using it in my Tiki 9 user tracker since March, not that long, but I have not had any problems with it. [06:12]
PenguinMan98ok. I've enabled trackerfield ipaddress [06:13]
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TomJarvisI just turned on IP selector in my test Tiki 11, created a user tracker with an IP selector field, and registered as a user, and it recorded the IP address fine. [06:29]
PenguinMan98I'm staring at a disconnect
I've created the tracker but how to I tell TIKI to attach it to the incoming user registrations? 		[06:30]
TomJarvisIn Admin Home - Log in, select "Use tracker to collect more user information"
After saving, edit the Registered group and select your tracker and save, then select the user selector field and save. 		[06:32]
PenguinMan98Can I use a tracker to add a new field to the the user registration?
Like, a new visible one?
Would it be pushing it for that question and answer to be chosen randomly from a list? 		[06:38]
TomJarvisYou can add many fields to the user registration and make them maditory or not.
When you have a user tracker, you specify the fields they see in the Registered group "Users Information Tracker Fields Asked at Registration Time" field
Ramdomly from a list? I don't think that is an option, let me look at the fields available and see if there is anything like that. 		[06:41]
PenguinMan98And how are the spambots beating the captcha?
And if it's known that the captcha isn't working, why haven't they upgraded it? 		[06:44]
TomJarvisI don't see any field types that would let you have a random question and answer.
I do not know how they are beating the captcha, I don't use them. 		[06:47]
PenguinMan98The random question: answer is something that was available in phpbb that really works well. You create a list of questions that are pertinent to your user base.
Nobody outside your user base would be able to answer them
How do you do security? 		[06:49]
TomJarvisYou can ask questions and let them select answers, just not random questions. [06:50]
PenguinMan98PenguinMan98 shrugs
I just see it as 'only a matter of time' before they write a bot to register in spite of my questions
If I can pop a random question, then that'll take them that much longer 		[06:54]
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PenguinMan98 : did you read this?
http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2013-08-11,Sun&sel=53#l49 		[06:56]
PenguinMan98I'm still working on capturing those ip addressed.
It's still not working for me
I checked the tiki_tracker_items table and it's empty so I know I must not have set it up correctly 		[06:58]
xavi-mobileThe solution with the passcode ia way much simpler to setup, and more similar to your "random question" idea [07:00]
PenguinMan98is this right? http://screencast.com/t/te9uTUlZzwQ [07:00]
TomJarvisxavi-mobile: I've been looking into the Code plugin problem. The problem is not with the code plugin, it only fails in forum posts.
PenguinMan98: No, the field type you selected was "text field", you need to select the field type "IP selector" 		[07:00]
xavi-mobilePenguinMan98: and enable "Action log" and "banning" features and you'll get those ip loged for you with a simple way to ban many in bulk [07:02]
PenguinMan98PenguinMan98 rubs his temples. I feel like I need to attend a one week class on how to do this... [07:03]
xavi-mobileTomJarvis: i wish you knew how to fix (it's beyond my skills). Maybe request help at the tiki developers list ? [07:03]
PenguinMan98better: http://screencast.com/t/fsoP58mw
? 		[07:04]
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xavi-mobilePenguinMan98: you need a month to master trackers (if not more). You need 1h to enable and master action log + banning [07:05]
PenguinMan98PenguinMan98 nods.
both action log and banning are already enabled
have been 		[07:05]
xavi-mobileSee http://doc.tiki.org/ActionLog
You get ips logged there. Config what to log 		[07:07]
PenguinMan98I hate doc tiki http://screencast.com/t/mIi5oL5m3
not only is it information barf, but it's rarely for the right version 		[07:08]
xavi-mobileAction+Log then?
(Plus add an alias to the other name in that page). I'm on smartphone, while waiting to be taken to hospital in short (not my best moment to do all this myself for you) 		[07:09]
PenguinMan98oh my word xavi! [07:12]
xavi-mobilePenguinMan98, feel free to help the community also with improvements to doc.tiki.org pages, which are written by users like you and me, etc ;-) [07:13]
PenguinMan98I created an account to do exactly that
but I don't really have the time
ask ricks99. I've already contributed to t4s
just a hair
but with the advent of version 11, It probably needs to be changed 		[07:13]
xavi-mobileIf you have the time to ask for answers, you pribably have some time to contribute back what you learned
Hospital time. Cheers 		[07:14]
PenguinMan98I intend to [07:15]
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For the storage engine, is it wise to select InnoDB when one uses MySQL 5.5 ? 		[07:53]
PenguinMan98InnoDB is slower but more fully featured than MyISAM
Depends on your needs 		[07:59]
TelesightPenguinMan98: What do I miss when I use MyISAM (mainly)? [08:01]
PenguinMan98The database won't use foreign keys so it's possible that some of the tables might get erroneus data
And it can't use triggers so it will use longer scripts with more queries
PenguinMan98 shrugs. Stuff like that 		[08:01]
TelesightThe first item sounds serious and the second makes it slower I guess ... [08:05]
Penguinman98: With InnoDB I will give up select statement performance and the ability to do full text search indexes. [08:14]
PenguinMan98Yes on the first, I dont' know on the second [08:18]
TelesightPenguinman98: Full text search is also possible on InnoDB (according to info on the web) [08:26]
PenguinMan98Yes, but can't myisam do that too?
that's what I don't knwo 		[08:26]
TelesightPenguinman98: MyISAM can do full text search and since a few years InnoDB can do this too. [08:36]
PenguinMan98Well, that's good to know then!
Thanks! 		[08:36]
TelesightBut InnoDB has a better database integrity system as you said and that is important to me. [08:37]
PenguinMan98in my experience the occurence of bad data is ignorable [08:47]
TelesightOk, thanks for your answers. [08:50]
PenguinMan98no sweat
I'm no expert by any means
But so far, I use innodb and I don't have any issues with speed
I prefer features over speed myself. 		[08:53]
TelesightYes it it is just a matter of a bigger CPU ;-) [08:55]
PenguinMan98In todays day n age and the loads I've seen on sites like these, that's usually not an issue [09:03]
TelesightPenguinman: So Tikwiki will run smoothly on a little server .... [09:11]
PenguinMan98I only have one issue with the speed in which the main page loads [09:21]
TelesightPenguinman: Do you use Tikiwiki for a website system? [09:33]
PenguinMan98Yes
http://www.mlpnwrp.com 		[09:39]
TelesightNice, runs smoothly ...
What template do you use? 		[09:42]
PenguinMan98I made my own based off of ...
dang, I don't remember
possibly jqui 		[09:47]
TelesightOk, looks nice. [09:50]
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PenguinMan98ty [09:55]
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PenguinMan98PenguinMan98 hugs TomJarvis a million times over for his help tonight [10:06]
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Tiki-KGB03jonnybradley r47060 10trunk * [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/11.x 47027 to 47059
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[ENH] cookie consent: Set more useful defaults for params so it does something useful with no params set, and refactor html building so it's only needed once (thanks Geoff ;) 		[12:28]
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fidelhi - is there a way to display a list of all articles in my tiki which are not in a category? [12:56]
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Tiki|botRecent Bug: - Custom Search on a simple tracker doesn't work for me with the basic example in doc.t.o - http://dev.tiki.org/item4640 [13:09]
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Tiki|botRecent Bug: - Search issue when using CustomSearch with MySQL Full Text Search as the Index - http://dev.tiki.org/item4641 [15:49]
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PenguinMan98 implements an extra question on his registration form. Wakes up to 9 new spam users and each made a spam forum post
PenguinMan98 cries softly 		[17:19]
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marclaportePenguinMan98: there is a new registration protection in latest versions of Tiki 6, 9, 10, and 11 [17:24]
PenguinMan98How? [17:24]
marclaportetiki-admin.php?page=security -> Spam protection -> Use "Require passcode to register" and "Show passcode on registration form" [17:26]
PenguinMan98How is that different from using a tracker to add a new question to the registration form and validating that it must be a certain string? [17:27]
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PenguinMan98: if you view the source of your registration page, you can find your "secret" word in the code. 		[17:51]
PenguinMan98tiki put it there, not me [17:53]
TomJarvisYes, but that may be why it is not working for you [17:54]
PenguinMan98Well, then the 'validate this field' needs to have an option to turn off client side validation but keep server side validation.
I"m convinced that that's how they beat the captcha. If you submit the form without entering the captcha, the page reloads with an error and a validator that removes the error when you type the captcha correctly
The value in the captcha MUST be present in that validator 		[17:54]
TomJarvisI think the validation option was added to improve the input data, not to block the person that entered the data if they got it wrong [18:04]
Jyhem_The difference with "Require passcode to register" and "Show passcode on registration form" is that the latter displays the passcode in javascript, and was meant for spam control [18:07]
PenguinMan98@marc, so it ONLY does client-side validation?
@Jyhem_ I'll set that up then and see if that's any better
@both, if I remove the visible field from the tracker, then the tracker won't catch the ip addresses of the spammers anymore. Not that that turns out to be particularly useful anyway since it seems they're using proxies 		[18:09]
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PenguinMan98hey xavi. All better today? [18:14]
xaviyes, kind-of. My body will take long to fully recover.
But yes, every day, better than the day before, thanks :-)
so, marclaporte, have you tried already the TowTruck widget? ( https://doc.tiki.org/PluginTowTruck ) 		[18:15]
PenguinMan98@marclaporte there is no option tiki-admin.php?page=security -> Spam protection -> Use "Require passcode to register" and "Show passcode on registration form"
I know I've seen it, but it's not here 		[18:17]
xaviPenguinMan98: I told you that already, I think:. Admin > login [18:17]
PenguinMan98yeah, I was just checking there
there is a 'require a passcode' here, but not a 'display passcode on registration page' 		[18:17]
xaviclick on the first, just in case this displays the extra options.... [18:20]
PenguinMan98tried that. Nope3 [18:21]
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xaviyou are right, PenguinMan98. Save the setting of the first option, and when page reloaded, you'll see the extra options [18:22]
PenguinMan98I was wondering if that would do that.
No, that doesn't work either 		[18:22]
marclaporte"Show passcode on registration form" has been successful in many sites. Maybe it's tagged as experimental? [18:24]
PenguinMan98I'm using 10.4 [18:25]
marclaportexavi: I didn't try but looked at video. This co-editing / browsing is what we need :-) [18:25]
PenguinMan98http://screencast.com/t/U9mw7YZKA4B3
I have all 4 checkboxes checked 		[18:26]
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marclaporteI just activated here: http://demo.tiki.org/10x/tiki-admin.php?page=security [18:26]
PenguinMan98there is a password 'generator' you can see there. But not a 'show password' [18:27]
marclaportePenguinMan98: you didn't follow my instructions
tiki-admin.php?page=security -> Spam protection -> Use "Require passcode to register" and "Show passcode on registration form" 		[18:27]
xaviand maybe, click at save just after this setting: "Require passcode to register"
in order to see the next setting 		[18:28]
PenguinMan98where? http://screencast.com/t/B0hnc7puU0E
xavi: tried that. Didn't work 		[18:28]
marclaporteLooks like you have 10.2? [18:29]
PenguinMan9810.4 [18:29]
marclaportehttp://screencast.com/t/B0hnc7puU0E mentions 10.2 [18:29]
PenguinMan98I was pretty sure I got 10.4 out of the box when I initially installed...
lemme check 		[18:30]
xaviPenguinMan98: see it here: http://demo.tiki.org/10x/tiki-admin.php?page=login [18:30]
PenguinMan98and as far as that goes, it's also telling me to upgrade 10.4 to 10.4 so I'm not inclined to trust it [18:30]
marclaporteyeah, that message is wonky!!
check changelog.txt 		[18:30]
PenguinMan98System is telling me it's 10.2 MyISAM
I was operating under the impression I was on 10.4 innodb
but then I've installed and re-installed a few times
maybe something got borked
my tiki still won't send emails
I saw int he changelog that they switch to zendmail in tiki 11
So I'm looking forward to that. Hopefully that'll fix my email woes 		[18:31]
xavimarclaporte: about co-editing browsing with towtruck: unlukily it doesn't work right now with wiki pages
wiki editor has the concurrent edit lock in the way, it seems 		[18:40]
Tiki|botRecent Bug: - 10.2 is misreporting major upgrade - http://dev.tiki.org/item4642 [18:40]
xaviand plugin wysiwyg in a wiki page, which doesn't warn about concurrent edition conflict, doesn't display text from both writers at the same time
so maybe there is some "low hanging fruit" out there somewhere to make "at least" towtruck work to co-write wiki pages somehow for tiki 12 LTS.
I know twotruck is not the perfect solution, but it could be a happy tools in between for the next LTS version of Tiki, to co-author meeting minutes in real time, project planning, etc. 		[18:41]
pascalstjean: ? [18:51]
marclaportePenguinMan98: I reproduced the issue about 10.2 on show.tiki.org : http://dev.tiki.org/item4642
show.tiki.org is pretty awesome 		[18:52]
xavimarclaporte: yes, excellent job! [18:52]
pascalstjeanhi Xavi [18:52]
PenguinMan98I saw you created a bug report for it [18:53]
xavihi. see pm
pascalstjean: see pm 		[18:53]
PenguinMan98so are we saying 10.2 does not have said security 'show password on registration page' option? [19:03]
xaviPenguinMan98: regardless of that answer, you can add it by hand (for older tikis) as indicated here: http://doc.tiki.org/Anti-Spam [19:05]
PenguinMan98boink. permission denied [19:05]
xavidid you log in? [19:05]
PenguinMan98I will but why is that page permission controlled? [19:06]
xavisome people suggested not to show the trick to the world of bots and spammers that were not even registered to tiki [19:06]
PenguinMan98makes sense to me [19:07]
marclaporteshow password on registration page: not on 10.2 indeed [19:08]
PenguinMan98Yet did you not say it was in 6 and 9? [19:08]
TomJarvisIt is on 9 [19:09]
PenguinMan98Also, my doc tiki password isn't working. And there is no reset button [19:09]
xavimarclaporte: 'php console.php index:rebuild' produces: Abnormal termination. Unless it was killed manually, it likely ran out of memory.
marclaporte: shall I retry and retry manually assuming that each step some more content is indexed?
xavi has attempted to re-index like 5 times already....
PenguinMan98: your doc.t.o password is the same one as in tiki.org. Can't you re-send a new one in tiki.org?
http://tiki.org/tiki-remind_password.php
ok, time to leave for me
see you all
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pascalstjeannot sure what question was or is directed to me [19:29]
Tiki|botRecent Bug: - Make it possible to add more than one show instance for a specific tracker item - http://dev.tiki.org/item4643 [19:30]
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Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: TrackerList Plugin Category Filter - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=48624 [21:31]
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changi: I read that you are the goto person for the key to use PHPstorm for open source coding. How do I correctly make a request for the key? [21:55]
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Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: Category display on Wiki page - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=48625 [22:52]
New Forum Posts: Search not working after Upgrade - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=48626 [23:02]
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PenguinMan98Well, it's been 5 hours since I've had a spam registration. This is a good sign [23:18]
marclaportePenguinMan98: :-) [23:25]
PenguinMan98though it still gets my dander up that the user can put anything in the world they like in that text field to complete the registration. Yet somehow, the bot can't figure that out
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