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fabriciusrefizul: r u there? [00:11]
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refizulpolom
fabricius: now I am here
sorry, could not attend at 18:00 UTC because of another meeting 		[00:31]
fabriciusis ok [00:37]
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refizulDEL or KIL as svn prefix? dev.t.o says KIL
I use KIL 		[00:48]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03fmg-sf r43938 04branches/10.x/setup-revamp.sh
tikiwiki [KIL] setup-revamp.sh is not needed for 10.x beta anymore and it is buggy and fixes are already in setup.sh 		[00:52]
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Bsfez1refizul: ? [01:39]
refizulBsfez1: ? What question? I just asked about svn prefix to remove a file [01:40]
Bsfez1no question yet :D
dunno… [REM] ?
you have 2mn ? 		[01:42]
refizulsure
I've got time as long I've got beer :-� 		[01:44]
Bsfez1I just light a smoke we're good :) [01:44]
refizulREM was pre 6.x style
according to: https://dev.tiki.org/Commit+Code 		[01:45]
Bsfez1Lu raise question about InnoDb vs MyISAM… it appears that we din't new exactly what is better… just that both work and that it seams that InnoDB use more disk space. You have knowledge about this ? [01:46]
refizulyes, a little bit, but not in 2 minutes
do you have skype or SIP? 		[01:47]
Bsfez1not for now, we would like to organize a meeting about this.
have you use BBB ? live.tiki.org 		[01:47]
refizulshort: small projects: do not care, take MyISAM
BBB: not tested yet 		[01:48]
Bsfez1ok so if we plan a meeting with several ppl BBB is really good [01:49]
refizulshort: larger projects: consider InnoDB but tune DB first, ir will not do good purpose without some tuning settngs
s/ir/it 		[01:50]
Bsfez1already valuable info ! When u got time try to check when we can do this discussion and i'll invite [01:50]
refizulno no - before I say something in a meeting I do need to prepare for that much better than for a short VoIP call [01:51]
Bsfez1ok my skype bernard_sfez but not tonight :D 3am
what is your timezone btw ? 		[01:52]
refizul+1 [01:53]
Bsfez1k [01:53]
refizulone hour off [01:53]
Bsfez1i'm +2 so tomorrow our afternoon/evening will be cool
or any other day 		[01:53]
refizulmaybe Wednesday ~2000
+/- 		[01:54]
Bsfez1ok noted !
wed is tomorrow :) 		[01:54]
refizulI need some help with BBB before webinar :-) [01:55]
Bsfez1sure i'll be glad to assist (quit simple) [01:55]
refizulyeah - but this flash voodoo never works here (Debian stable) [01:56]
Bsfez1you can use BBB and hook up using skype (some user with linux box do it that way) [01:57]
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refizulBsfez1: let's do that tomorrow, I already had a hard meeting some hours ago
kstingel: hello 		[02:00]
Bsfez1ok gd nite my friend [02:01]
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refizulkstingel: hello again
kstingel: you have got admin issues and questions? 		[02:08]
kstingelno, server questions ... but they can wait until next week, I'm heading out [02:09]
fabriciuskstingel: refizul is the Frank I mentioned to you and posted him the details we were talking about [02:10]
kstingelfabricius: ahh :-) [02:10]
refizulfabricius: please let her read her email first :-)
kstingel: sorry for the sloppy description, admin and server are almost the same from my point of view, if not special Tiki admin 		[02:11]
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Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03luciash r43939 10branches/10.x/styles/gradiant.css
tikiwiki [ENH] Gradiant theme - nicer buttons, form fields and H1 titles, some font related fixes and the quickadmin arrow position 		[06:52]
tikiwiki 03luciash r43940 10branches/ 0310.x/styles/gradiant 0310.x/styles/gradiant/gradiant.png
tikiwiki [ADD] Gradiant theme - missing thumbnail 		[06:58]
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Hi, following is the code of a profile:- http://pastebin.com/sDppiwQM When groups are created via this profile, the members of the group "Member workspace_name" can not upload files. Am I missing some permission to add? PS:- Kindly forgive me if I am using wrong tiki terminologies. [10:39]
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solid state polom 		[15:12]
changiwhy solid :) [15:14]
jonnybhi changi - got my ssd's fitted at last! [15:17]
changijonnyb: oh :( [15:30]
jonnybjust trying to work out why apache is telling me i don't have permission to access my tiki checkout - it was ok yesterday [15:31]
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Hi, following is the code of a profile:- http://pastebin.com/sDppiwQM When groups are created via this profile, the members of the group "Member workspace_name" can not upload files. Am I missing some permission to add? PS:- Kindly forgive me if I am using wrong tiki terminologies. 		[17:51]
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RobertPlummerjonnyb: So you are liking your solid state drives? [18:19]
jonnybnearly - lost 3 hours trying to get apache to behave, that sort of thing :)
but lots quicker at everything, of course 		[18:20]
RobertPlummernice
jonnyb: sudo chown apache:apache /var/www/ -R 		[18:21]
jonnybif only it was that simple :P
aliases and mac os ACLs involved 		[18:22]
RobertPlummerjonnyb: I got ckeditor 4 running yesterday locally, working on wysiwyg right now :) [18:22]
jonnybbut in the end putting all back to how it was and rebooting seems to have worked! :) [18:22]
RobertPlummerjonnyb: Oh, right, forgot you are mac [18:22]
jonnyband i tried installing everything this time with macports, which is a bit like apt-get etc on debian - seems good so far (no more manual rebuilding!) [18:23]
RobertPlummerjonnyb: permissions are not fun with apache
no matter the operating system
even worse in IIS 		[18:24]
jonnybindeed
been a long time since i looked at that one (thankfully) 		[18:24]
RobertPlummerjonnyb: We are wanting to use ckeditor 4 with the new wysiwyg for 2 reasons, it will
be html 5, and it simplifies the implementation
jonnyb: Do you see any possible way to upgrade the existing wysiwyg to it?
jonnyb: If not, can we add a new dir (temporarily) "ckeditor4"? 		[18:25]
jonnybyes, should be pretty easy [18:26]
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jonnybunless they've changed the plugin architecture a lot [18:26]
RobertPlummerjonnyb: only problem is that it is beta, not yet stable. I believe they have. [18:26]
jonnybwould be ok for trunk i'd have thought [18:27]
RobertPlummerjonnyb: I think I would rather either add a new dir called ckeditor4 or rename the existing to "ckeditorlegacy" and add a new one with the contents of 4 called "ckeditor" [18:27]
arildbHi, a syntax question.... the first lines in lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js reads
var $jq = $,
$window = $(window)
$document = $(document);
Is this correct syntax?
notice the , endring the first line and no semi-colon on the second row 		[18:28]
RobertPlummerarildb: The point was to make $(document) and $(window) not have to instantiate a new instance of $() each time. Thus removing the possibility of memory leaks.
oh, right, the semi-colon should be there, that was something missed by me.
should be a comma though. 		[18:29]
arildbRobertPlummer: ok...are you fixing the semi-colon? [18:30]
RobertPlummerjonnyb: but I want to know what the master would do (I am but a padawan).
arildb: I can fix it, we'd need to port all the way back to 8 I think. 		[18:30]
arildboh [18:31]
jonnybshould be a comma after $(document) i think
(and i would indent the 2nd two lines
)
sorry - after $(window) i mean 		[18:31]
RobertPlummernot after $(document), there is a function call afterwards. [18:31]
jonnybyes, it's the window line needing comma [18:32]
RobertPlummerjonnyb, arildb: done, commiting. [18:33]
arildbthanks [18:33]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03robertplummer r43941 10branches/10.x/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js
tikiwiki FIX] Indentation and line without comma 		[18:34]
RobertPlummerjonnyb: I will see how easy we can upgrade the existing system to 4, if it isn't easily upgradable, what then?
jonnyb: From their website - "Backwards compatibility: The CKEditor 4 JavaScript API has been kept compatible with CKEditor 3. We focused on making the upgrade experience as seamless as possible. Report issues regarding backwards compatibility."
Woohoo! 		[18:35]
jonnybgood, cos i wasn't sure what to answer
should just drop straight in then - ha ha ha ha 		[18:36]
arildbI see more strange syntax in tiki-jquery.js ... line 550 (second last line below) ....should have a semi-colon, I believe
$( function() {
$("#keepOpenCbx").click(function() {
if (this.checked) {
setCookie("fgalKeepOpen", "1");
} else {
setCookie("fgalKeepOpen", "");
}
})
var keepopen = getCookie("fgalKeepOpen"); 		[18:39]
jonnyb+1 [18:40]
arildband on line 579, a semi-colong after the function definition. I guess that doesn't matter.
I will do those fixes 		[18:40]
jonnybyup, unnecessary
all good fixes, thanks arildb - sometimes things like that breaks js minify 		[18:41]
arildbok [18:41]
RobertPlummer*high fives arildb*
jonnyb: I'm going to lock ckeditor in 10 on the revision as of now, then update the third_party. 		[18:42]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03arildb r43942 10branches/10.x/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js
tikiwiki [FIX] syntax fixes 		[18:46]
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Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03robertplummer r43943 10branches/10.x/lib
tikiwiki [FIX] Lock ckeditor on revision 41830 (3.6.3) in prep to upgrade to v4 		[19:06]
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RobertPlummerjonnyb: I see extra files like *.asp, *_php4.php, *_php5.php, there isn't anything we need to preserve in there is there? [19:14]
jonnybin where? [19:14]
RobertPlummerlib/ckeditor
sorry to not be clear 		[19:15]
jonnybit's what comes from ckeditor - it's a third party lib so included in full (except for _source afaicr) [19:15]
RobertPlummerjonnyb: Ok, just looked a bit out of place, thanks for clarifying. Do you delete, commit all first, then re-add and commit?
That is what I have done in the past mostly just want to make sure it is done right with libs that matter more. 		[19:16]
jonnybhmm - the externals aren't locked yet on 10.x i think [19:17]
RobertPlummerr43943 [19:18]
jonnybyou did? (or someone?) [19:18]
RobertPlummerI just locked ckeditor, as it is the only one I need to modify.
I did
jonnyb: I sent you the mail I got from sf.net 		[19:18]
jonnybi usually merge the new into the old more or less manually (keeping nested dirs, especially the .svn one) removing old files manually, then commit the diff [19:21]
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jonnybRobertPlummer: the rev number you locked creditor at looks like a tiki revision, shouldn't it be a creditor number? [19:27]
RobertPlummerjonnyb: It is a tiki revision number.
jonnyb: I don't think we remote that one from them...
https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/third_party/ckeditor
we host it for ourselves. 		[19:28]
jonnybgood point - i forgot [19:28]
RobertPlummerjonnyb: melding as we speak.
jonnyb: The more I think about the way the new wysiwyg handles plugins, the more I believe that as long as the plugin is valid html, meaning it has the right open and closing tags to not break the editor, and as long as we can override clicking and editing it's contents, we should be able to list them inline like they were in the old system.
jonnyb: What were some issues you ran into that prevented you from doing so?
jonnyb: In the new system I can initially load the plugin inside any type of element I need, with a data-syntax attr with url encoded plugin. 		[19:29]
jonnybsorry - not really following that deeply, brain needed elsewhere [19:32]
RobertPlummerjonnyb: Should I include the samples directory?
lib/ckeditor/samples
seem sit was removed from the last 		[19:33]
jonnybwouldn't think so - you choose [19:35]
RobertPlummer*chooses to keep tiki on a diet* [19:36]
arildbI just upgraded to the latest Tiki 10 SVN version. Still get the module error when using wysiwyg, i.e. same result as http://tikishow.kstingel.com/10x/tiki-index.php?page=wysiwyg+module+test [19:38]
RobertPlummerarildb: So plugins are fine, but modules are not?
Sounds right, a double encoding needs to be handled somewhere. 		[19:39]
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RobertPlummerarildb: can you confirm? [19:42]
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arildb_RobertPlummer: I just my IRC connection briefly
not sure what I should confirm 		[19:43]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03robertplummer r43944 10third_party/ckeditor/ 10(233 files in 50 dirs)
tikiwiki [MOD] Upgrade ckeditor from 3.6.3 to beta 4
tikiwiki 03robertplummer r43945 03trunk/doc/devtools/htmlconvert.php
tikiwiki [NEW] Testing tool that opens each page in your database, converts it to CKEditor html and then back to wiki syntax, and then compares them and encoding 		[19:46]
arildbRobertPlummer: interesting tool
does it assume all pages are in wiki syntax? 		[19:48]
RobertPlummerarildb: :)
arildb: Yes, and no
arildb: If there is wiki syntax it will be parsed, if there isn't it will leave it alone.
arildb: The new parser is intelligent ;) 		[19:53]
arildb:-) [19:54]
RobertPlummerarildb: This means that really mixing wiki syntax with html, just html, or just wiki is not really a parser capability anymore, but more a security enhancement. [19:54]
arildbok [19:55]
RobertPlummerarildb: That test was one of the biggest reasons why we didn't have much success with the last parser, we needed TONS of real world examples. This test gives us that ability. [19:56]
arildbyes
RobertPlummer: regarding the module error I mentioned above. I lost my IRC connection briefly and may have missed something. Did you take a look at the case? 		[19:56]
RobertPlummerarildb: If you find you use it, and get a ton of false positives, it is most likely "r"
arildb: I didnt look, is it doing the same as plugins before? 		[19:59]
arildbRobertPlummer: the plugins look much better, but not embedded modules [20:00]
RobertPlummerarildb: Explain embedded modules...
Modules inside plugins? 		[20:00]
arildbRobertPlummer: See http://tikishow.kstingel.com/10x/tiki-index.php?page=wysiwyg+module+test
you can find the login params at the domain root 		[20:01]
RobertPlummerin, what next? [20:02]
arildbnot sure I follow you [20:02]
RobertPlummerI logged in, do you want me to edit the page?
Is that all you want me to do? 		[20:03]
arildbdomain root as in http://tikishow.kstingel.com [20:03]
RobertPlummerAre you talking about "Plugin execution is pending approval"? [20:03]
arildbjust get the source actually. If you use that in your local system, do you get the same error...i.e. modules are not displayed
after approving, the module is not displayed, but prompts: Please choose a module 		[20:04]
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fabriciushi, anyone an idea what is this:
Fatal error: Call-time pass-by-reference has been removed in /homepages/28/XXXXX/htdocs/YYY/YYY/YYY/groupware/SVN_100_Branch/lib/core/Reports/Manager.php on line 97
directly on saving a wikipage 		[20:19]
jonnybphp 5.4? [20:19]
fabriciusI just moved the db from one to another ISP
ahhhh that's
PHP 5.4 beta
and not fully implemented 		[20:20]
jonnybCall-time pass-by-reference has been deprecated for ages (meaning it will go soon) [20:20]
fabriciusah what to do?
on my old provider with PHP 5.3 it did work perfectly 		[20:20]
RobertPlummerjonnyb: Trunk is now ckeditor 4 with old wysiwyg. [20:21]
jonnybask RobertPlummer nicely? (aren't Reports your thing?) [20:21]
RobertPlummerjonnyb: 1 small fix seems to have done it, looks a little broken [20:21]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03robertplummer r43946 10trunk/lib/ckeditor_tiki/plugins/tikiplugin/plugin.js
tikiwiki [FIX] Put css somewhere rather than inside editor 		[20:22]
RobertPlummerReports? who, what, where? [20:22]
jonnybnice, will try and check sometime [20:22]
fabriciusRobertPlummer: looking forward to new wison errr jison-wiki-wysiwyg [20:22]
RobertPlummerfabricius: To me it is like the vision I had with spreadsheets... jquery.sheet.
fabricius: Many said "It can't me done, not like that...". I said, "There has to be a way". 		[20:23]
fabriciusanyway ... maybe I cannot develop and run the site with this ISP on Tiki 10 as long as they do not implement proper PHP 5.3? [20:26]
RobertPlummertoolbars are broken in trunk for legacy wysiwyg
There is no $().ckeditor(); 		[20:26]
fabriciusOr would that be a measure for our devs to prepare for PHP 5.4 when I switch to trunk? [20:26]
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fabriciusso make it new in Tiki 9 -- fix a oiece of code and stay on Tiki 10 -- or go to trunk and help prepare Tiki 11
this website must generally work! but it is not a public site, but an intranet of an ngo made for free
/s/oiece/piece
RobertPlummer jonnyb what do you suggest? 		[20:28]
RobertPlummerfabricius: If it is a fix, do so in 10, if it requires more, trunk. [20:30]
fabriciusRobertPlummer: the question for me is, if it is worth to run a soon productive 10er intranet on a not yet fully implemented PHP 5.4 or alternatively go for 9 0r 11 ==> for me alone it should be "easier and smoother" to use 9, whilst I think if it could be a value for the devs to maybe find PHP 5.4 related bugs early
jonnyb: upper question to you aswell, sry
have to go afk for a few minutes, brb 		[20:34]
RobertPlummerfabricius: For me it has always been easier to use trunk or latest, but it honestly depends on the client. If they must have super stable, I would not even go to 10. Some clients love the flexibility of instant changes (trunk)/ [20:34]
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i thought we had a plugin or module that could generate a list of categories and their children?
does such a beast exist?
or did i imagine it?
the "categories" plugin works, but makes it a menu
i need a simple list
or maybe a non-php menu, fully expanded... 		[21:13]
jonnybsorry ricks99, doesn't look like it
i have to go - more tomorrow 		[21:19]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03arildb r43947 10trunk/doc/devtools/htmlconvert.php
tikiwiki [ENH] Add statistics to htmlconvert tool 		[21:20]
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RobertPlummerFond another bug with how jison parser executes plugins, {inline} where always being executed even if they were inside a {PLUGIN()}{PLUGIN}. As soon as I fixed it, took me 30 seconds to fix. MAN I love this new parser! [21:50]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03robertplummer r43948 10trunk/lib/core/JisonParser/ 10Wiki.jison 10Wiki.js 10Wiki.php
tikiwiki [FIX] Execution order for inline plugins were not checking if they are inside a plugin, thus breaking wysiwyg syntax as they had already been parsed at time of sending to editor 		[21:54]
ricks99another question from rick... how to use the Search module and limit results to a specific category? possible? [22:08]
marclaporte1ricks99: with a perspective and category jail, yes
ricks99: But I think there is also a way to do just with search
ricks99: pref search_show_category_filter is what you want 		[22:19]
ricks99don't want to actuallyshow the category droplist.
want to hard-code a specific category.
in the same way that i can hard-code a category to be used upon page creation
ricks99 digs deeper with search_show_category_filter code 		[22:26]
marclaporte1: that pref is for the search results page
:(
ricks99 is off to construct an html search form that passes the categId param 		[22:32]
woo hoo... success :) [22:41]
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Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03robertplummer r43949 10trunk/lib/init/smarty.php
tikiwiki [FIX] functions and modifiers were turning into null, blowing up tiki 		[22:58]
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tikiwiki 03robertplummer r43950 10trunk/lib/ 10ckeditor_tiki/wysiwyglib.php 10core/WikiPlugin/Negotiator/CKEditor.php 10smarty_tiki/block.textarea.php
tikiwiki [ENH] Jison wysiwyg gets it's own means of loading ckeditor, partially branched code to make it reusable
tikiwiki [FIX] how ckeditor loads using CKEDITOR.replace(); rather than $().ckeditor(); 		[23:20]
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