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marclaportelphuberdeau: for Classroom, I get validateCategory error [00:21]
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marclaporteEO_: I am testing
refizul: anymore feature requests? :-)
EO_: I confirm the issue. RobertPlummer is the genius behind the spreadsheet. Robert: How do we make a wiki page link in a cell? 		[00:31]
refizulmarclaporte: AFAICS there's already a lot of stuff available [00:36]
marclaporterefizul: http://tiki.org/FOSS+Web+Application+with+the+most+built-in+features [00:36]
refizulworkflow - project management - document management - calendar [00:36]
marclaporteSomething new we worked on a few weeks ago during the TikiFest in Barcelona :http://doc.tiki.org/PluginTrackerCalendar [00:38]
refizulWhat exactly does this "social software" do? Is this something like Facebook on my own server? [00:38]
marclaporteWhat do you mean by Social Software? Like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_software
If you mean Social Networking, there are some features in Tiki which let you make something like Facebook. Photo Album, Inter-User Messages, Chat, Shoutbox, etc.
Discussion forums, events, groups, etc 		[00:39]
refizulhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_collaborative_software#Comparison_of_collaborative_software_features
This table - at the lowest row - summarizes the features of Tiki 		[00:41]
marclaporteoh, use this link instead: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_software
I will fix the wikipedia page 		[00:43]
refizulThe term "social software" is mentioned there in the third last column. [00:43]
marclaportehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_software is not the same as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Software on Wikipedia (!) [00:44]
refizulyes, I just noticed that. :-) [00:45]
marclaporteSo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_software is broad and since Tiki does most of what is on that page, I added a "yes"
It's like Content Management System: Just about any piece of software is a system to manage content. 		[00:47]
refizulI guess the best thing to do next is an installation for testing purposes in a virtual machine. [00:48]
marclaportego for it! [00:49]
refizulAre there special security issues with Tiki? [00:49]
marclaporteWhatever is missing, you can participate to the community to add it :-)
#1 thing is to keep your Tiki up to date 		[00:49]
refizulMaybe I can someone convince to contribute a special language support. My task is the technical part. ;-) [00:50]
marclaporteWe get a few vulnerabilities per year, and most of the time, they are disclosed responsibly (most of them, we it's active devs that find them) and the supported versions are patched quickly [00:51]
refizulIs there a security mailing list which is supposed to be subscribed? [00:51]
marclaporteSee http://info.tiki.org/Version+Lifecycle If you start a project now and won't develop new things, you can stay with 9.x for 3 years
If you upgrade with regular releases, know that they are only supported for 6-7 months
There is no security-only list, but you should subscribe to http://tiki.org/tiki-newsletters.php?nlId=6&info=1
Or via RSS http://info.tiki.org/tiki-articles_rss.php?ver=2 and check when they are security releases
also, your Tiki will tell you in the admin panel if a new version is available 		[00:52]
refizulthe newsletter will be fine [00:55]
marclaporteWhat is "special language support" ? [00:55]
refizulthe lifecycle roadmap is nice - looks like a well considered plan [00:56]
marclaporteA lot of thought was put in to this indeed! [00:56]
refizuloff language: maybe some arabic translations, but I cannot promise that right now [00:57]
marclaporteTo find a delicate balance of work involved and what different types of community members want/need
ok, that would be awesome!
I worked briefly on one site which has the 6 languages of the UN, thus including arabic
Right-to-left support was added to Tiki a very long time ago, and a few months ago, some fixes/enhancements were made
I suspect you will find some weird things sometimes, but the basic UTF-8 support is all clean since Tiki 5.1 (Tiki started in 2002, and systems back then weren't as UTF-8 as today)
You can contribute translations here: http://i18n.tiki.org/ or via SVN
Do you code? 		[00:57]
refizulI can, but actually I do more administration [01:03]
marclaporteok, FYI: http://dev.tiki.org/Commit+Code [01:03]
refizulmost installations are somewhat odd - if you want to be it done the right way: do it yourself [01:04]
marclaportethe demo sites tend to get very messy :-) [01:06]
EO_RobertPlummer: I'll say lots of nice things about you to people if you fix wiki page linking from a spreadsheet cell :) [01:10]
marclaporteEO_: can you try on the Tiki6 demo? [01:22]
refizulWould Tiki be a considerable replacement for an combination of Joomla and MediaWiki? [01:27]
marclaporteyes. [01:27]
refizulThere's a special project where the whole setup bothers me. Are there any tools for content migration? [01:29]
marclaportehttp://doc.tiki.org/MediaWiki+Importer but not for Joomla!
There is an importer for WordPress as well 		[01:29]
refizulok, MediaWiki is the main stuff. Joomla can be crowdsourced and transferred manually, only ~500 or even less pages [01:31]
marclaporteIf you are going to wiki pages: http://doc.tiki.org/XML+Wiki+Import-Export
If you are going to news articles, there is a script somewhere to import from .csv 		[01:33]
refizulthe hard issue will be convincing some people who are involved in certain decisions ;-) [01:36]
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marclaporteAre you having issues with plugins and upgrades? [01:38]
refizulyes, upgrades are a problem.
but this is not a technical problem 		[01:42]
marclaporteoften, with many CMSs, people install all kinds of plugins/extensions and then, it becomes a nightmare to upgrade. So people don't and then, they hit security vulnerabilities [01:43]
refizulthere wasn't a nightmare, but there wasn't upgrades either :-/ [01:46]
marclaportehehe [01:47]
refizulnow it's my turn to fix some things
If I knew all that before, I'd never agreed to do anything related to this project. It had been a nightmare for a couple of month. 		[01:47]
marclaporteof course, they hide the nightmare part as long as they can [01:49]
refizulwe almost left the red zone and are close to "doing it right" now [01:49]
marclaporteI hope it happnes
happens
I always think "long term"
because ugly short cuts eventually come back to bite you
In Tiki, we worked very hard to get Lifecycle/release/LTS all streamlined. It was hard work, but now, releases are so much easier than before. 		[01:57]
refizulyeah - I appreciate this philosophy
at the beginning some things are more work to do, but in the long run you'll win with a good concept 		[01:59]
marclaporteyup!
And the http://tiki.org/Model we have developed is just awesome :-)
EO_: v6 is also problematic: http://demo.tiki.org/6x/tiki-view_sheets.php?sheetId=1
EO_: It did work in the past. I remember including a wiki page in a cell
Wiki page inclusion still works: http://demo.tiki.org/9x/tiki-view_sheets.php?sheetId=11
http://demo.tiki.org/9x/tiki-sheets.php?offset=0&sort_mode=title_asc&edit_mode=1&sheetId=11 Wiki Parse Values: is not staying set
RobertPlummer will want to know this
Already reported: http://dev.tiki.org/item4077 		[02:01]
refizulthere are demo installations announced, but all of them seem not to work [02:15]
marclaportehttp://demo.tiki.org/ works
EO_: please purse the issue until resolution. It's probably a 5-min fix
refizul: good luck with your convincing
bbl 		[02:16]
refizulbye
ah - forgot one question: how much RAM is recommended to start a virtual machine with Tiki? 		[02:18]
marclaporteFor the VM, I don't know, but once you get to installing Tiki, use http://doc.tiki.org/Server+Check [02:25]
refizulminimum 512 MB -> http://doc.tiki.org/Requirements [02:28]
What is supposed to be done if device mapper runs out of minor numbers? ;-) I'll get my VM tonight, you can bet :-) [02:40]
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RobertPlummermarclaporte: Thanks for updating me on this, I will put it on the list [03:11]
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tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r43019 10/trunk/lib/ (6 files in 3 dirs):
tikiwiki: [FIX] Bringing the parser closer to beta, have expanding headers working now, tested with more dev.tiki.org data, seems solid
tikiwiki: [ENH] Broke the block parsing into a less nested structure, with a nested recovery just in case
tikiwiki: [ENH] Using now the actual breaking character returned to the parser from method line($ch) where $ch is the detected character from the string being parsed rather than assuming it is "n", in some cases, it is not set 		[04:12]
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Recent Bug: Tracker item: #4293 - - can't view all image - http://dev.tiki.org/item4293 [05:21]
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CIA-98tikiwiki: 03lindonb * r43020 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_fancytable.php: [FIX] Fix false positives for ~|~ as separator, causing table to break in some cases [05:44]
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tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r43021 10/trunk/styles/ (18 files in 5 dirs): [CSS] Unused selectors removed (calendar .calprio* and messages .prio* classes to indicate background colors). [06:01]
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tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r43022 10/trunk/styles/layout/ (design.css layout.css): [CSS] Off-screen text shouldn't need color properties. [06:23]
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CIA-98tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r43023 10/trunk/styles/ (39 files in 13 dirs): [CSS] Calendar day classes .caleven and .calodd no longer used; .caltable .even and .caltable .odd can be used instead if necessary. [08:03]
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tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r43024 10/trunk/styles/ (11 files in 3 dirs): [CSS] Removing styles for no longer used feature-specific links in calendar.
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r43025 10/trunk/css/calendar.css: [CSS] Removing styles for no longer used feature-specific links in calendar. 		[08:43]
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CIA-98tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r43026 10/trunk/templates/tiki-calendar_weekmode.tpl:
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tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r43027 10/trunk/css/calendar.css:
tikiwiki: Generic "heading" class added to td.calHeading to simplify styling (global
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tikiwiki: table given class "calendarweek" and inline CSS moved to calendar.css. 		[09:09]
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tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r43028 10/trunk/styles/ (12 files in 4 dirs): [CSS] More unused classes removed (.Cal, .Cal0, etc.).
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r43029 10/trunk/css/calendar.css: [CSS] More unused classes removed (.Cal, .Cal0, etc.). 		[09:26]
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Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: File Galleries > Search Indexing > Missing Handlers application/vnd.ms-office - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=45177 [11:02]
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wu-leeGiven a group with access to edit a particular category, how would members of the group create new wiki pages in that category?
It's not obvious from the docs nor my experiments (with tiki 9.1) that this is possible since the new pages are apparently created with no category, and the attempt gets "access denied"
(s/9.1/9.0/)
(members of the group mustn't be allowed to edit wiki pages outside the category) 		[13:37]
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CIA-98tikiwiki: 03amette * r43030 10/trunk/tiki-check.php: [ENH] Check for PHP ByteCode cache [15:35]
tikiwiki: 03amette * r43031 10/trunk/admin/include_performance.php: [FIX] Check correctly for xCache being used and needing authentication [15:44]
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marclaportewu-lee: good catch
I think something is coming in Tiki10 to that respect 		[16:51]
lphuberdeauactually, this used to work, but it was so unused as a feature that it broke sometimes between 4 and 9 - restored in 10 with the new workspace ui, hoping more people will use it and the feature will keep working [16:57]
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marclaportewu-lee: do you want to be part of the Beta Test Programâ„¢?
(for workspace UI) 		[17:24]
lphuberdeauyou get a special bonus if you join before 10, I might actually fix stuff when reported [17:39]
marclaportehahahahhaha
wu-lee: http://doc.tiki.org/Workspace+UI#Video 		[17:49]
Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: Problem with htaccess - RewriteRule - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=45178 [17:53]
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wu-leemarclaporte: thanks
wrt. Beta Test Program, let me know what's involved, although I've mostly exhausted my client's money just installing Tiki 9.0 and getting things going 		[18:05]
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marclaporteIt was just a joke
no money involved
But if you can test and find bugs, we can fix before 10.0
A recurring issue with big developments by Louis-Philippe is that too few people from the community test in trunk period. People start testing around 10.1 or 10.2 and then, it's too late to make some bigger fixes and it gets pushed back to 11.0 		[18:24]
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fabriciushaha marc
marclaporte:
I already started to switch to pre-10
me: alphatester
*ggÜ* 		[18:57]
CIA-98tikiwiki: 03amette * r43033 10/trunk/ (templates/tiki-check.tpl tiki-check.php): [ENH] Show MySQL configuration (variables) [19:07]
wu-leeah, I have heard about these "joke" things
marclaporte: suppose my clients want to stick to the LTS version...
(as I think they do) 		[19:13]
Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: BigBlueButton Crashes Wiki Page - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=45180 [19:14]
wu-leehow do they get bugfixes for things like that? they get backported at some point? [19:15]
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marclaportewu-lee: backport depends on size/risk and if someone will do it
In general, if it's self contained and code hasn't moved too much, that makes sense
it's a case by case thing 		[19:29]
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marclaportewu-lee: As you are offering services, you can list yourself here: http://info.tiki.org/article147-Announcing-the-Tiki-Service-Provider-Program [20:10]
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Jyhemwu-lee: in Admin → Groups → edit a group, there is a "Default category assigned to uncategorized objects edited by a user with this default group:" drop-down. Does it not do what you want ? [20:32]
CIA-98tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r43034 10/trunk/lib/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [NEW] Profile handler to set individual tracker options, useful to resolve circular dependencies with tracker options that contain field list [20:32]
JyhemOtherwise, the way that is fonfirmed to work is : create a structure with option "Categorize structure pages together (found in wiki) " and hide the classic wiki page creation, so they can only add to the structure and it gets automatically categorized [20:38]
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marclaportechangi: polom
changi: I'd like your opinion on http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cms.tiki.devel/27784 		[20:55]
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changimarclaporte: the main goal is to install svn bisect ?
oups bisec :) 		[21:14]
marclaportewell, the main goal is to have community solution to detect / pinpoint / fix regressions
and bisect seems like a worthy tool to that end 		[21:15]
changisounds like a good tool [21:25]
CIA-98tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r43035 10/trunk/ (9 files in 8 dirs): checkstyles : see quality.tiki.org [21:26]
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wu-leeJyhem: it might, currently trying to get it to work [21:49]
Jyhem_laptoptalking of bisecting. When was last plugin aliases working in Tiki8 ? Tiki7 ? Tiki6?
So I can look at what to expect 		[21:51]
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wu-leeJyhem: so I've set a test user's default group, and set the default category for that group to be the one the group can edit wiki pages in
however, I still get "access denied" when creating a page 		[21:57]
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In TW 9.0, I have a standalone PHP file (xyz.php) in the same directory and domain as the other tiki php files. I want this file to be used only by registered users of tiki. Is there a way for me to do this, say, by checking a session variable?
I.e. the same session variable used by TW
I want to make sure that the PHP file (xyz.php) is being called from within TW and not directly (to prevent hotlinking) 		[22:01]
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Jyhem_laptopwu-lee: so the bug is confirmed :-( That's probably the reason why I used the structures, at the time. Can't remember :-( [22:10]
deekuAnother question: tiki-admin_credits.php lets me create a 'Credit Type'; how do I edit the Credit Type name or delete it? [22:16]
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CIA-98tikiwiki: 03amette * r43036 10/trunk/ (templates/tiki-check.tpl tiki-check.php): [ENH] (Very) quick check for crashed tables when running inside Tiki [23:02]
marclaporteamette: how do you crash tables to test? :-) [23:06]
amettemarclaporte: that wasn't easy........
and actually I don't manage to do it any more... so I stopped testing and rely on people like luciash and others with frequently crashed tables to test
but basically I just uploaded a biiiig file to a file gallery and then did # killall -9 mysqld
obviously the file needs to be very big as you upload from localhost to localhost...
... worked some times, but not really reliably - so now others need to test! :) 		[23:07]
RobertPlummerrefresh
woops
private function olderId($fileId)
{
global $tikilib;
$olderFileId = $tikilib->getOne("SELECT archiveId FROM tiki_files WHERE fileId = ?", array($fileId));
if ($olderFileId > 0) {
return $this->olderId($olderFileId);
} else {
return $fileId;
}
}
function oldestId()
{
global $tikilib;
$fileId = $this->getParam('fileId');
return $this->olderId($fileId);
}
23 -> 21 -> 0(stop) return 21 for example.
marclaporte: ^ 		[23:13]
marclaportethat is a way to crash a MySQL table? [23:16]
ametteuhm, what?!
it shows you the history of previous ids a file has had?
but I don't see it crashing a table :) 		[23:18]
marclaporteRobert is struggling with a Tiki File Gallery issue [23:20]
ametteobviously [23:20]
deekuFriends, a quick question: tiki-admin_credits.php lets me create a 'Credit Type'; how do I edit the Credit Type name or delete it? [23:24]
marclaportedeeku: a question for Nelson Ko :_)
:-)
amette: I am pleased crashed tables is part of Low hanging Fruit 		[23:25]
deekuOk, now one for you:
In TW 9.0, I have a standalone PHP file (xyz.php) in the same directory and domain as the other tiki php files. I want this file to be used only by registered users of tiki. Is there a way for me to do this, say, by checking a session variable? 		[23:25]
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marclaporteamette: The MySQL Variable Information section is quite long. Are there useful things in there that should be at the top? ex: max_connections [23:28]
EO_RobertPlummer: Have you seen the wiki-links being broken when inside spreadsheet cells bug yet? [23:29]
RobertPlummerI saw it. [23:29]
EO_EO_ pesters [23:29]
marclaportedeeku: http://dev.tiki.org/Hello+World#The_Hello_World_page [23:29]
RobertPlummerI'm just soo busy EQ_ [23:29]
EO_RobertPlummer: I'll send you a whole TEN dollars! :) [23:29]
amettemarclaporte: well, while doing it, it didn't feel so low hanging any more and now let's see how well the check actually works (got the idea from PHPMyAdmin, but found no confirmation on the net) [23:30]
marclaporteslow_query_log slow_query_log_file Is it OK to have slow_query_log ON for production servers? [23:31]
deekuThanks Marc! [23:31]
marclaportedeeku: I answerd the other day, but you must have missed it :-) [23:31]
amettemarclaporte: I wouldn't enable slow_query_log on production servers except for performance issues debugging as the logging itself slows MySQL down. [23:33]
Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: Multiple release notes - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=2&comments_parentId=45184 [23:36]
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